I hate Mezz in RvR.

[vintervargen]

Re: Insta AE

Originally posted by katzzzz
So could any1 tell me, why albs dont have insta AE mezz if others realms has it???

About zerg, i was many times in Outlaw's group and i know that he hate zerging. We r runnig only as 1FG and Outy is "leading" zerg only if other realm zerging too. If we kill zerg we go roam as 1FG, no more, no less !!! So stop whinnig about that GoL is zerging, and dont listen to stupid Albs, who dont know nothing about RvR.

basically cause albs got SoS would be my guess.

and to not make every realm exactly the same.

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by vintervargen
winning over twice your number cause of 1 spell/class sucks pretty much imho. if you are as good as you claim it should be possible without ae mez

no it does not, aoe mezzing means no damage for 5sec or so atleast... ( usually more due to crap resists on randoms)

haveing 2x ppl on each person doing damage is really hard to take but yeah i think we could beat 2fgs w/o mezzing if we used all RAs... but mythic shouldnt encurage zerging imo..

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by vintervargen
what why you were in odins yesterday? and the day before etc.

tho, no guilds want to feed NP rp's, so they wont come back if np are roaming odins, i know i wont xD

fyi i was not in odins, i dont play excal anymore, im sick of the zergs there

i havent played excal for several weeks, and night grp is nomore afaik since ppl got bored..

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by sorusi
no it does not, aoe mezzing means no damage for 5sec or so atleast... ( usually more due to crap resists on randoms)

haveing 2x ppl on each person doing damage is really hard to take but yeah i think we could beat 2fgs w/o mezzing if we used all RAs... but mythic shouldnt encurage zerging imo..

well, if np suddenly had no ae mez, nor did we, i would actually try to win a fight with some insta heals and l33 guard. as it is now, if ichor aint casted some other insta is. not that it matters since zzang or whoever probably would kill un-guarded support in 5 secs flat. and since hib tank group sucks, we need 2 pbaoers, and pbaoers dont have deter.

really too bad you dont meet any mid guilds on pryd using the same tactics

 

[sorusi]

we do, they just dont perform it just as well

 

[katzzzz]

Re: Re: Insta AE

Originally posted by vintervargen
basically cause albs got SoS would be my guess.

and to not make every realm exactly the same.

And hibs have Group Purge, thats much better than SOS! Mids have nothing like that :-(

 

[sorusi]

Re: Re: Re: Insta AE

Originally posted by katzzzz
And hibs have Group Purge, thats much better than SOS! Mids have nothing like that :-(

its far from better than SoS

btw, ive never seen IG with a good chanter grp never seen ig with chanter grp at all i think, when i played you had tank grps - wich are gimped as hibb as you pointed out

2x baod = baod every 15min, enuff to have 1 rdy each good fg that turns up (to use as determination )

 

[sorusi]

my prydwen experience is that w/o mezz our hibb grp would be in alot more problems than with

removeing mezz would only improve tank grps, ok so youc ant mezz them _that_ long but it still is 1 or 2 kills if you land castable mezz... and you can root them after


remove determination, reduce resist buffs and casters + tanks are fine togheter

 

[vintervargen]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Insta AE

Originally posted by sorusi
its far from better than SoS

btw, ive never seen IG with a good chanter grp never seen ig with chanter grp at all i think, when i played you had tank grps - wich are gimped as hibb as you pointed out

2x baod = baod every 15min, enuff to have 1 rdy each good fg that turns up (to use as determination )

we are now actually, just that pbaoers are mostly rr4-5

 

[vintervargen]

and why I want ae mez gone, is because i think pbaoe grp vs pbaoe grp are the most fun fight you can get. lotsa teamplay, guard change, rooting, interrupting, running, etc

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by vintervargen
and why I want ae mez gone, is because i think pbaoe grp vs pbaoe grp are the most fun fight you can get. lotsa teamplay, guard change, rooting, interrupting, running, etc

where is the guard change in a pbaoe grp vs pbaoe grp?

also i doubt ppl would roll sms just because if they deleted mezz... compareing chanters/sms/wizards,... sms and wizards have by FAR LOWER utility value.. tank grps would still be alot better even if they removed mezz

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by vintervargen
and why I want ae mez gone, is because i think pbaoe grp vs pbaoe grp are the most fun fight you can get. lotsa teamplay, guard change, rooting, interrupting, running, etc

there is lots of teamplay in any kind of group - atleast if you want to win

 

[vintervargen]

i still think that we would get more "standoff fights", with use of animists, supp rm's (ae snare etc), mentalists, cave shammys, thanes etcetera.

that would involve alot of new tactics. try to do assist when you are running into 5 shr00ms while beeing diseased and ae snared

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by sorusi
there is lots of teamplay in any kind of group - atleast if you want to win

we do win, just not against NP, and for winning against bc for example, means noone can do any mistake, whereas mids can fook up pretty badly and still get away with it. ( savages xD )

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by vintervargen
and why I want ae mez gone, is because i think pbaoe grp vs pbaoe grp are the most fun fight you can get. lotsa teamplay, guard change, rooting, interrupting, running, etc

Would be golden if the 3 realms pbaoers where on even standard comparing spec and RA's.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by stunned
Would be golden if the 3 realms pbaoers where on even standard comparing spec and RA's.

same goes for tanks.

 

[klonk]

Imo mezz/stun in daoc is the one thing that gives even experienced players a challenge, its hard to pull off. I dont think there is a more challenging role in rvr than main mezzer (not in Mid anyway)... everyone can hack and slash (aye I know I'm a warrior ) but having mezz/stun in the game adds a dimension to it conserning the difficulty imo

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by vintervargen
we do win, just not against NP, and for winning against bc for example, means noone can do any mistake, whereas mids can fook up pretty badly and still get away with it. ( savages xD )

yep

atm zerkers,savages can recover "noob" midd grps from their misstakes , while a hibb grp is a dead one, so is alb


but playing a hibb grp "perfectly" really gives alot and no, playing a sm/wizard grp vs hibb is totally stupid with baod around.. hence why nolby went from rm grp to tank grp after 1.50..

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by vintervargen
same goes for tanks.

Hib already have uber tank classes. Soon also a valid light tank.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by stunned
Hib already have uber tank classes. Soon also a valid light tank.

yeah, that extra bleed, more tw and more dmging side chain is REALLY whats making the bm viable

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by Arnor
yeah, that extra bleed, more tw and more dmging side chain is REALLY whats making the bm viable

They will be more in line with the other lightanks after 1.62 then today atleast, wont they ? With the exception of savage

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by stunned
Hib already have uber tank classes. Soon also a valid light tank.

that is why you rolled a chanter on pryd yeh?

storm might do good damage, but he's also rr9 with the absolute top gear.

heros are performing well in rvr, but they have no change in dmg terms verus mid tanks.

 

[stunned]

Originally posted by vintervargen
that is why you rolled a chanter on pryd yeh?

storm might do good damage, but he's also rr9 with the absolute top gear.

heros are performing well in rvr, but they have no change in dmg terms verus mid tanks.

What does the fact I rolled a chanter on pryd have to do with anything !? I have a lev 45 bard there to, because I like speed, and a NS ... I also have a sorc on Iseult, a Skald on lancelot dam me fotm player ...

Most time I see heros they busy annhilating/slamming things for the pbaoers. What tanks do You mean outperform heros btw ?

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by stunned
What tanks do You mean outperform heros btw ?

why dont you guess.

Notice i said "in terms of dmg"

anyway, enough of this, if you read the entire thread you will see what my point is, if you dont.. well

 

[Trubble]

Originally posted by sorusi

remove determination, reduce resist buffs and casters + tanks are fine togheter

I agree that this is an option to even the field more between casters and tanks. Another option is to give casters determination, though it really hurts to see that people need to get a RA to defend against a base ability. Which leads to the sugestion of removing AE mez/stun all together.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by zmurf
no offense taken, just think's mezz is to big a part of the game (by now) to ever change it so drastically by removing it completly ...

If you remove it the people that rely on it heavily are the ones that will suffer, the game wont.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Trubble
I agree that this is an option to even the field more between casters and tanks. Another option is to give casters determination, though it really hurts to see that people need to get a RA to defend against a base ability.

i think that giving casters an ability to resist magic spells, any of them, with a chance of 30-50% would be perfect.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by Stormm
if mythic gave alb insta aoe cc, and hibs/mids castable then you'd see the truth

insta cc > castable

range means fuk all when u can cast at speed 5

admittidly albs lack of sorcs in general don't help

I watched 2 x Hib vs Mid scraps last night from my safe little perch, both groups belted towards each other within 1 sec of being in range which given the shat gfx engine daoc currently employs one group managed to land an insta and each time the fight was won by that group.

In those 2 instances, 1st time hibs landed it and pbaoe'd for TNN then the mids did the same and hacked thier way to victory in short time.

Almost every night I see it happen at least once.

imho ff=on

Still waiting to crap my pants with laughter when the cute ickle luwi pbaoe's his 3 tank and 2 chanters pals to death.

Leave in all the instas and such like but givz Friendly Fire damnit.

 

[quinthar]

Re: Insta AE

Originally posted by katzzzz
So could any1 tell me, why albs dont have insta AE mezz if mids and hibs has it?

Ah thats because we have major dmg do'ers in the form of S+S Armsman Alb clearly dont need it.

And yes I'm takin the pee.

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by sorusi
your aware that there are several healers in NP, they all play different

to you all bitchers: maybe you should play more and get some experience before going to bw and whine

Arnt you one of the people that BK jumped into a foriegn realm despite the rules and now come here abusing people you perceive to be bitching.....


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