What RvR has come to - Disgusting !

[old.Vae]

Far from Scarff having harmed his reputation, in my eyes, and it appears several others not from an Uber RvR guild, I think he's voicing the opinion of a lot of people who are fed up of the uber RvR guilds effect on RvR on this server.

It initially started with SotL, Warders, the30 etc but was refined by NP and Eclipse, then PE and others and now the Fotm Savage/Healer groups. It used to be possible to have some fun and decent RvR but the advent of these groups and their ever increasing quest for the fully opted uber Fotm group is just ruining RvR for the majority of players. Whereas you used to be able to go and RvR in a normal guild group or even a random group and still have a chance it has got to the situation that there is no point going to RvR unless you zerg the enemy or have a RR5+ fully opted group.

Prydwen we seem to have a lot of these uber RvR groups whereas Excal from what I hear seems to have the zerg approach.

Emain has become a total no go area except in zergs which is sooo much fun

Even HW has been affected by it. /salute here to severance for providing some FUN not fully opted RvR in HW. Oh also thanks to severance for not ganking my lvl 24 mini Vaer not more than 3 times outside Fotress Sauvage last night.
Once an uber RvR group or 3 (such as when BO, MM and Warders all appeared in HW a while back) turns up in HW you might as well go and sit behind a keep wall or log to an alt rather than run out and get ganked/farmed which becomes no fun for anyone. The uber group gets no RPs because no-one comes out to play and no-one else gets any fun RvR either.

A key example of that was last night when one of the Fotm Healer/Savage groups (had Artemisu in it) decided to harass Beno. Rather than get ganked we sat in Beno and let them get bored. Bar a few initial kills in Beno valley they got about 2 more kills after that.

As for the action of BO in emain well is it any suprise given that they and the other uber RvR guilds are playing a different game to the rest of the realms where they talk of adds or leeching in RvR etc

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by old.Vae
A key example of that was last night when one of the Fotm Healer/Savage groups (had Artemisu in it) decided to harass Beno. Rather than get ganked we sat in Beno and let them get bored. Bar a few initial kills in Beno valley they got about 2 more kills after that.

That was a Everlast group. And we were just about to suicide when you came along so we played around some then went suicided on hpk insted

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by old.Noita

3. 6 Onslaught + 2 at AMG - in /cg with Zapsi grp who were at HMG. Inc to AMG 1.5+ FGs Albs. Tells /cg help maybe? 2 in my grp still alive and 3 Albs when Zapsi grp arrives. /cg Zapsi: Just heal Noita (was playing Neito my Bonedancer) heals come in and Im 100% - me and remaining member of my grp (savage) kills remaining Albs - Zapsi grp rezzes our dead and stays with us til RI over and we are ready to fight again.

/salute Zapsi

Hahaha, strong cg skills zapsi!

 

[old.Nedowiz]

Originally posted by den_arid

I think there is nothing wrong with this, maybe bo did it for u mids ? so albs wouldnt log cause they got killed by 3fg (again) ?
well atleast this is what I think of it
...
but then again Im just an alb

just why do you think there are no hibs in emain? Adding hibs dont exist....adding Albs/Mids happens.....

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by old.Nedowiz
Adding hibs dont exist

all i can say.. you my friend is living in denial

 

[faderullan]

Hibs take every chance of adding they get. And they should. So few hibs around so if they manage to add once in a while wont make any albs/mids cry.

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by faderullan
wont make any albs/mids cry.

Some tho!

Meee think me saw a pwussycat!

 

[Azal]

Grivne mate - what Cush said. It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If we had 'added' and killed the albs they would've been cheesed off at mids adding and (what usually happens) is the mids that got 'helped' would've complained about people roaring in and leeching/stealing their rp.

So we made a choice, it just goes to show we were screwed whatever happened, you can bet if we had added people would now be bitching at the group for stealing/leeching and being lame for adding.

 

[GrimReaper]

Don't know about Mid, but I'm starting to resent the /y spam from PE in Albion when running around in EMain.

IF we want to run 2fg in emain, to balance low level RR one's againt high level RR ones, then we can. As you point out there are no rules. Spamming "Lame Zerg" from PE players is not what I want to hear

If we see a fight and join in, immediately to see from PE

"DONT ADD"
"DONT ADD"

then after

"FFS WHY DID YOU ADD"

there are no rules, we aint gonna sit back and try to decide wether or not to 'add'. RVR is RVR, we see enemies we attack.

PE need to drop the /y spam and live with the fact there are no rules, or start to get resentment from their own realm....

Grim

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

I won't comment on much of what's been said, but I think Vae has hit the nail right on the head.

The movement in RvR towards the elite opted gank groups has pretty much blown away any form of casual RvR. The whole issue has pretty much blown apart my guild - Savage Conclave - which was once a big, strong, established guild but is now struggling to survive.

It's a situation which can only get worse - the game mechanics reward it - eventually there will only be 1fg gank groups in RvR and that will probably suit those players with the time, inclination and commitment to be part of that. The rest of us probably ought to start looking for another game or stick to PvE, keep-takes and relic raids.

 

[Farnis]

Originally posted by Azal

If we had 'added' and killed the albs they would've been cheesed off at mids adding and (what usually happens) is the mids that got 'helped' would've complained about people roaring in and leeching/stealing their rp.

So we made a choice, it just goes to show we were screwed whatever happened, you can bet if we had added people would now be bitching at the group for stealing/leeching and being lame for adding.

I think this is a response to the usual shouts of dont add ffs from these guild groups - they shout that so the rest of the realm shouts it back with a bigger voice when it happens to them.

I didnt see the incident, but I bet you a pound to a penny, if you had have "added" then the only whines wouldve been coming from albs and not your own realm mates.

But i suppose thats academic now.

 

[old.linnet]

Originally posted by old.Trine Aquavit

It's a situation which can only get worse - the game mechanics reward it - eventually there will only be 1fg gank groups in RvR and that will probably suit those players with the time, inclination and commitment to be part of that. The rest of us probably ought to start looking for another game or stick to PvE, keep-takes and relic raids.

Yes, we're seeing this now too.

Or rather ... 1fg gank groups, and stealthers with buffbots. I'm glad they all are having fun, but I don't plan to resub next time around.

And PvE is getting slanted towards heavily optimised groups also.

 

[old.Nedowiz]

Originally posted by Cush



all i can say.. you my friend is living in denial

Welcome to borrow my acc and do /who Emain during the nights....if there are 10-15 hibs in total and 2-5 are NS/rangers chances of adding hibs aint that ubah big is it....

Talking Odin/HW is another thing.....but you quote half my post and are .....in denial of the rest of it

 

[Master_de_roos]

Living History

Heres an interesting historical comparison for you....

BO and PE alledgedly (I wasnt there so I cant use the definitive) acted towards each honourably whilst other players who werent BO/PE got killed.

Now, looking back into the Mists of Time, to the 13th - 15 century...you may well see on the battlefields of Europe, armies made of Knights and infantry.

The Knights are the ones in the best armour, having money and influence, attaining there social standing in society and their position in the army by birthright.

Now the Infantry, these guys are equipped with, if their lucky equipment provided by there lords/overseers/peers. This isnt as good as the Knights kit. They get what there given.

Now, look at the way the Knights reacted to there enemys who were off the same standing, their counterparts in the enemy ranks. If captured, enemy lords/knights usually would not get killed, they would be ransomed if captured (mostly).

However, if its the poor foot solider who gets in the way, they might most probably get slaughterred out of hand. They are worth nothing, there are no rules of portection. There is no Chivalry towards them.

Now its interesting to note that the Non-Uber Rvring groups are "alledgedly" being treated with the same lack of respect, whereas amongst the hard core rvr guilds, rules to govern a "Honourable" battle have sprung up.

Mythic have, with the above intepretation of these "events", created a medeival battlefield, with the so called "rules" of chivalry developing and living.

I think thats interetsing, and worth bearign in mind, but thats just my opinion.

/bows.

P.S. Yes I know at Agincourt theres a hoo ha about English soldiers killing french nobles...thats warfare...a terrible thing.

 

[old.tuppe]

hmm wonder if all are so honourable etc etc why i 50% time get ganked by 1fg when run solo between keeps or to suiciding?
same groups what here are saying they are honourable etc etc crap.

if you play as you write here, i waite 1 person from group come to me and we fight each other but not yet happend.

btw fade, dont even count how many time i have seen you run around close 2fg in emain, attacking against our 1 fg, why you dont left your mules behind in this kind situation?

peeps play honorable in this board but truth is out there

 

[shanks]

Originally posted by scarffs
Cant understand that a person like you defends this kind of action. Why not have a discussion to avoid 'misunderstandings ' instead of makingit my friends vs your friends discussion.

That would require thinking, thinking hurts.

 

[shanks]

Gifv coop already, I wanna plan elitism PvE style, that would be awsome, I could ban elfs from the guild and on sundays everyone would have to dye pink.

Muaahahaha ha he hi...

Seriously though, Coop server now.

 

[darzil]

I don't have a strong opinion on either side. I can see both points of view (one - it's a war, and you support your side. two - it's a game, and you try to test yourself against the best same size opposition, as a test of skill).

However, these two are always going to come into conflict, as long as the main battleground for the test of skill game is in a frontier. If it was at, for example, the Geersha lands temporarily created last week, the RvR guilds could happily fight each other, in a place all three realms can get to equally, without guarding the hibbie frontier.

And guarding the Hibernian Frontier is what the Emain Battle is doing. Surprise attacks on Albion or Midguard Keeps are so much easier. How else to explain that a realm so weakened it gets /level 30 loses fewer keeps than either of the other realms.

Darzil
Order of the Knights Templar
(A roleplayer who doesn't let roleplaying gimp his character )

 

[old.Mitsu]

So you saw 2x 1fg fighting and tried to leech rp - then you get farmed because your group is crap. Your own fault. ;/ Emain isnt your little realm defense playground.

 

[Aule Valar]

Originally posted by GrimReaper
Don't know about Mid, but I'm starting to resent the /y spam from PE in Albion when running around in EMain.

IF we want to run 2fg in emain, to balance low level RR one's againt high level RR ones, then we can. As you point out there are no rules. Spamming "Lame Zerg" from PE players is not what I want to hear

If we see a fight and join in, immediately to see from PE

"DONT ADD"
"DONT ADD"

then after

"FFS WHY DID YOU ADD"

there are no rules, we aint gonna sit back and try to decide wether or not to 'add'. RVR is RVR, we see enemies we attack.

PE need to drop the /y spam and live with the fact there are no rules, or start to get resentment from their own realm....

Grim

good for pe, if random grps keep adding on pe, this forces mids to come out in a zerg to have a chance of winning, the albs then get stomped by a zerg, the albs cry about mids zerging, and either bring a bigger zerg, boring, or log, boring
same if mids add too

and as you seem to be happy with following pe around because theres no rules, i hope you'd be equally happy if pe left you to get killed because of it, because there are no rules

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by svartalf
Hahahhahaha

I'd be after fair fights, too, if I was 8 realm ranks higher than my enemy .

As Orwell observed;
"Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others".

 

[AzuratMinimus]

In response to Noita

Well the not to add thing is something pretty new in the guild, and there´s not everyone that agrees with it. That´s why at some points you might see bo add and sometimes they don´t choose to engage, depends on what people there is in the group. Also at some points we got a lot of random people. Personaly i don´t share that believe about adding though.

About not standing up for the realm, well i have never missed a relic raid when i have been available. And we mostly try to help retake keeps also, we do rarely help taking keeps in other realms though. Unless there´s a relic raid.

To all the people that assumes that just cause you belong to a guild you´re just as bad as them, so narrowminded.

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by shanks
Gifv coop already, I wanna plan elitism PvE style, that would be awsome, I could ban elfs from the guild and on sundays everyone would have to dye pink.

Muaahahaha ha he hi...

Seriously though, Coop server now.

 

[amazingsteve]

Originally posted by old.Vae
Far from Scarff having harmed his reputation, in my eyes, and it appears several others not from an Uber RvR guild, I think he's voicing the opinion of a lot of people who are fed up of the uber RvR guilds effect on RvR on this server.

It initially started with SotL, Warders, the30 etc but was refined by NP and Eclipse, then PE and others and now the Fotm Savage/Healer groups. It used to be possible to have some fun and decent RvR but the advent of these groups and their ever increasing quest for the fully opted uber Fotm group is just ruining RvR for the majority of players. Whereas you used to be able to go and RvR in a normal guild group or even a random group and still have a chance it has got to the situation that there is no point going to RvR unless you zerg the enemy or have a RR5+ fully opted group.

Prydwen we seem to have a lot of these uber RvR groups whereas Excal from what I hear seems to have the zerg approach.

Emain has become a total no go area except in zergs which is sooo much fun

Even HW has been affected by it. /salute here to severance for providing some FUN not fully opted RvR in HW. Oh also thanks to severance for not ganking my lvl 24 mini Vaer not more than 3 times outside Fotress Sauvage last night.
Once an uber RvR group or 3 (such as when BO, MM and Warders all appeared in HW a while back) turns up in HW you might as well go and sit behind a keep wall or log to an alt rather than run out and get ganked/farmed which becomes no fun for anyone. The uber group gets no RPs because no-one comes out to play and no-one else gets any fun RvR either.

A key example of that was last night when one of the Fotm Healer/Savage groups (had Artemisu in it) decided to harass Beno. Rather than get ganked we sat in Beno and let them get bored. Bar a few initial kills in Beno valley they got about 2 more kills after that.

As for the action of BO in emain well is it any suprise given that they and the other uber RvR guilds are playing a different game to the rest of the realms where they talk of adds or leeching in RvR etc

:great:

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by AzuratMinimus
In response to Noita

Well the not to add thing is something pretty new in the guild, and there´s not everyone that agrees with it. That´s why at some points you might see bo add and sometimes they don´t choose to engage, depends on what people there is in the group. Also at some points we got a lot of random people. Personaly i don´t share that believe about adding though.

About not standing up for the realm, well i have never missed a relic raid when i have been available. And we mostly try to help retake keeps also, we do rarely help taking keeps in other realms though. Unless there´s a relic raid.

To all the people that assumes that just cause you belong to a guild you´re just as bad as them, so narrowminded.

Hmm I dont think I accused anyone in particular in my post, I only named a guilds name because the group consisted of red people with that name above their heads.

I also dont generalise and know there are a lot of nice people in Bo, even some who replied in anger to my post.

I also think you're a nice guy, Azurat, and thanks for telling what you really think

 

[Ziva]

Imho it's all about respect for your fellow realmmates.

When your fg is fighting and some group is passing by and you need help just shout so they can help you. When you are the group passing by and you don't hear a shout for help why would you barge in? RvR can be compared to Pve in this case... you only help other groups when they ask for it and you don't "take" from other groups mobs without asking first don't you?

In case of TS it looks to me like you added without getting any signals of them needing help so it's basically your own fault.

 

[Kelmorian]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
So you saw 2x 1fg fighting and tried to leech rp - then you get farmed because your group is crap. Your own fault. ;/ Emain isnt your little realm defense playground.

someone who havnt read the posts here. neither was there to watch so a big..HUSH on you.

 

[Arflane]

imo this game can be taken apart into 2 components

1-- the (lets call it) Doom or Castle wolvenstein component.

2--the rpg component.

its obvious that most peeps in BO and other powerguilds are more interested in the first component then the second one.
Nothing wrong with that but to bad so much of the game goes over their hat (roleplaying is one of the more fun things to do and it really gives a surplus to the game)

 

[Dunmer]

Originally posted by Kelmorian
Lost the little respect I still had in Bad Omen. Leaving realm mates to get farmed is just to low. Even for you!

AWW! QQ imo.

 

[Farnis]

Originally posted by Dunmer
AWW! QQ imo.

And that kids is the way to reply whenever you cant think of anything actually interesting to say.

Awww how sweet.