RvR conunderum

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by Turamber

Many moons ago I posted something on the Templar forums about how people would have to RvR regularly to stay competitive in RvR. Although I got flamed to hell for saying it, turns out I was very correct. Unfortunately those of us with partners, jobs/careers and a social life will always be at a disadvantage to those who can play 24/7.

true words regarding to the first part

although i have a job a wife a child (2 soon) and a life i manage to get to ~1.8 mio rps. Point is not to join random groups. Put soome effort in making 1-2 fgs and go HW or Odin. PE barely leaves emain for rvr. I know BO does this more often but at least you have a change to run into other non-opted groups

 

[Kahland]

what the hell does conunderum mean anyways ?!?!

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by old.windforce
but at least you have a change to run into other non-opted groups

Ask Ken, went with 3 to HW, opted hibi RvR grp (new guild), Odin, opted hibi RvR grp (new guild)

 

[yerk]

Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by Artemls
Haha at the whine about getting sandwiched by Hibs and Mids. Maybe try moving around instead of camping MG's

Didnt you realise the gates are there to protect ur realm ps you got some overpowered casters if they can stay alive long in open rvr - i got cloth armour with a life expectancy of 2 hits - not much use against the 1 button wonders

Yerk - Guardians of Power lvl 50 Cabalist

ding 200k

 

[yerk]

Re: Re: Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by Cush
[. Maybe you should read more what people post before you have an opinion mr. [/B]

Try following ur own advice

I never criticised any particular realm when i made this point PE are as 'highly' regarded in alb as their equivalents in the other realms.

If you can read you will also see it is a question but then maybe you have a 'guilty' conscience.

Finally if you read my remarkss again it is a criticism more of GoA than the ppl who take advantage to enjoy themselves by wiping evry1 off the face of the realm. It's not a case of making the best possible group it's that it's impossible to make such groups if you get ganked at low lvl all the time - like i said who's gonna pay to spend 30secs in the frontier evry half hour and i never killed a grey con till ppl started using bb's and i saw an alb with a grey bb taking on and beating a purple mob.

Who wud play any sport or game if they were the equivalent of sunday league players playing premiership opposition every week and what premiership player wud be proud he cud beat such opposition ?

 

[Cush]

Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by yerk
Im in a guild (Guardians of Power) which until recently has hardly ever zerged we now form 4 - 5fg zergs with our alliance for several rreason:

1 The 'uber' groups - how sad can u be to form a group that cant be killed in a fair fight.

Please answer me how this is a question? I cant see a question mark any where.

 

[Arflane]

I got no problem with opted fg's roaming around in rvr.(actually i really don't).
Cant see why the opted fg's should complain about peeple who want to zerg.


So whats the big deal? if you want to zerg go ahead
If you want to run in a fg ... by all means
If you want to run around solo with no armour (pls pm me if you do coz sounds like easy rp's) why not

Its a war out there realm vs realm so i prefer to aid my realmates and kill all the treehuggers and tincans but thats just my point of view.

Justing wanting to share this with al you wonderfull peeple outthere

<<steps back into the shade and makes room for the inc flaming>>

 

[Addlcove]

Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by Cush
Please answer me how this is a question? I cant see a question mark any where.

you´re just nitpicking

 

[old.moriath]

Cush your last couple of posts have been really unhelpful


This is supposed to be a discussion, personal insults do not help anything and I can't see where anyone has insulted you to reply.

Can't you put a point without a personal insult. Its a shame.

And lol @ Kahland if you don't know what the word means there are lots of online dictionarys but with the comments you made its not suprising.

There is no way a <rr5 fg can compete with a > rr5 and have a realistic chance of winning especially if its opt'd.

But the opt'd one will complain about adds if they run with less.

We need to get rid of all this add whining

 

[Cush]

Hmm...

First off he calls people that try and make opted groups sad. I for one find rvring in opted group to be the one of the few things in this game that still brings me joy. So in other word he is calling me sad(personal insult?). Then i say if he thinks that people are sad for trying that then he is a wank. If he dont think so there is no need for him to take offence to that.

And please find somewhere where ive said its wrong to add/run with more then 1 fg. Ive said its wrong to whine about it since it will keep happen it cant be helped and it is after all a game where more then 8 ppl are alloved per zone from each realm.

And me insulting people in every post as you claime i do Moriath is totaly BS. Sure ive prolly insulted somone sometime, who hasent? If you say you havent you lie.

Maybe its you Moriath that run around wanting everyone playing the game as you want and get mad when you find others playing it in another way?

 

[fayle]

Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by Cush
ehh???

no you cant make a group that kill my group in same number fight you are a wank then!!!

Get a grip.. why not try and make a group as optimal as possible? I have a hard time thinking that someone enjoy to die over and over, so why not try your best not to do so?

You do call people names cush, no need to to get offensive imo

 

[Larssi]

There is no way a <rr5 fg can compete with a > rr5 and have a realistic chance of winning especially if its opt'd.

But the opt'd one will complain about adds if they run with less.

We need to get rid of all this add whining

Same actually goes other way around, need to stop whining about ones who want their gaming experience in an opted group (even if that means you don't fit in their group when they're forming up) or they don't want you running after them leeching or adding in their fights...

I seriously think people should ask before adding if they're welcome/needed. If people want to loose/win in 1fg vs 1fg fight with no outside interference, that's something one should respect. You can always stay around and revenge later if need be

And the other way around. Ask if help is needed in order to help fellow realm mates survive or atleast get back up. Even if that means you'll be adding, instead of fighting just 1fg vs 1fg fights like you'd want. As the game is realm vs realm vs realm, it'll be hurting many peoples feelings and gaming experience if they're feeling someone's group > his/her realm.

Or people could just keep getting pissed and flaming and so forth and start finding game more unattractive day by day.

God, all message boards are depressing. No mather what you go read. If you're happy with your class, go read that classes board and you'll find you're super uber gimp BS char with no future and so forth Messageboards ruin games!!!

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Cush
Hmm...

First off he calls people that try and make opted groups sad. I for one find rvring in opted group to be the one of the few things in this game that still brings me joy. So in other word he is calling me sad(personal insult?). Then i say if he thinks that people are sad for trying that then he is a wank. If he dont think so there is no need for him to take offence to that.

And please find somewhere where ive said its wrong to add/run with more then 1 fg. Ive said its wrong to whine about it since it will keep happen it cant be helped and it is after all a game where more then 8 ppl are alloved per zone from each realm.

And me insulting people in every post as you claime i do Moriath is totaly BS. Sure ive prolly insulted somone sometime, who hasent? If you say you havent you lie.

Maybe its you Moriath that run around wanting everyone playing the game as you want and get mad when you find others playing it in another way?

weeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllll

The post was kinda split in parts and I haven't said you said its wrong to add but some do that part wasn't aimed at you perhaps it wasn't clear enough im sorry.

He did make a general statement that I don't agree with but it was general and not specific to you, unlike your crass reply.

People can play how they like as long as they let me. This is just a discussion on the state of RvR and the problems faced in it at the moment. I didn't say every post i said your last couple of posts that is in a different timezone from saying in every post. ( was referring to you giving respec to someone calling a previous poster a fag or something and your wank comment)

I stated already that I have no problem with uber groups. The posts I have made are just to point out the effect they can have on RvR and the rules that some of the people that run these groups try to employ and force rules on others. Yes I did say some cush and no it wasnt directed at you. (phew do you think i got away with that one or will you still take it personally)

Hmm now i could go back read thro what i wrote and edit it just to make sure there is nothing controversial in there but i can't be bothered.

 

[Cush]

He made a general statement towards a group of people that i see my self beloning to. Why shouldent i take offence by that?

To make an extrem example is someone saying that they hate judes. Then when a jude ask why the replay is that he dont hate him he hates the group.

(I have nothing whatsoever against judes)


But I guess since we are after all just humans is rather close to fiction to have everyone getting along and agreeing to something.

 

[Cush]

Re: Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by fayle
You do call people names cush, no need to to get offensive imo

That post was porly writen by me. And i was calling him a wank if he tought that people were sad for making a group as good as possible(which might be hard to get I admit to when reding it afterwards).

And you have never called someone names?
The day someone says that to me and not lying I know im dead and have gone to a better place. (even tho i aint religous and belive in heaven and hell)

 

[osp]

This thread as drifted slightly away from the issue raised ......
If RvR carries on as it is the up and coming peps will not bother and more than likley leave the game ...so then very few will be in the frontiers wageing war ........I for 1 am gettin a bit fed up with RvR now unbalanced as it sis

 

[chretien]

The problem is as Turamber said so well is that there is a two-tier game in the same place. I don't run in rvr constantly - I have only one character and I do other things with him from time to time. Having said that I consider myself a more than casual player. I have full SC set up, some usefull RAs and about 15 months of RVR experience with Chret. I don't run in opted groups because I tend to wander out on a whim and hook up with the first group that has space for me, or I find as many guild mates as'll make the trek and form up with them - whoever they are, regardless of class or level. Last couple of guild groups I was in had a couple of sub level 40s and because our guild has a lot of paladins and not many casters so do our rvr teams. In no way can we compete with Eclipse/Midget Mafia and the ilk.
I don't begrudge those players the fact that they will win nearly every fight because that is what they set out to do and they work at it. No-one gets that good without trying and if they put effort into that part of the game then good luck to them.
However I find it somewhat absurd that I should roll over and present myself to them one group at a time when it's clear that I have no hope of beating them. If I'm in HW and an ubergroup is known to be incoming then I'll gravitate towards the other Alb groups in the hope that we'll have enough numbers to bring them down, or at least survive long enough to score some RPs before getting wiped.
I don't go to Emain, I fight the realm war. If I see albs under attack I will go to help. If it's painfully clear they have won then I'll try and hold back and give them the satisfaction of the kill but otherwise I'll join in straightaway without stopping to ask anyones permission. Likewise I'd expect any Albs that saw my group fighting to leap in without hesitation. If they get some of 'my' RPs so what? There will be more when the enemy port back.
As far as zerging is concerned, I don't see a problem with large forces meeting. True, running over a couple of stealthers or a group with a keep take force isn't a lot of fun but some of the best fights I've been in have been 3-4fgs or more a side. They are just as much a test of skill as a group v group as there are more variables and you have to be more aware of what other people are doing around you.
It's just a shame when people say their fun has been ruined because othe rpeople didn't abide by their rules. If you run in an opted group and deliberately try for 1fgv1fg combats then accept that you are going to have a lot more your fg vs my 3fg fight s and treasure the ones where you get a square fight vs another opted group, just as I accept that if I run into Midget Mafia without backup I'll get flattened but I treasure the times I run into another pickup group and after a hard fight walk away.

 

[scarffs]

/salute Chrétien

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by hangianix
But not the new savage setup Hadess.

????

The old 3 berserker perma end from shammy 3 healers warrior was alot better.

Zapsi

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by zapzap
????

The old 3 berserker perma end from shammy 3 healers warrior was alot better.

Zapsi

Specialy since in this setup all had determination and cheap tank ra's and access to PF which is very uber.

 

[klavrynd]

conquer = strong on my sav tbh

 

[yerk]

Re: Re: some ideas on how to stop zergs

Originally posted by Cush
Please answer me how this is a question? I cant see a question mark any where.

Look in the dictionary - the sentence begins with the word how which might be a clue

so im talking to a sad pedant maybe i shud stop and go talk to next doors 3 year old - i play with him and i dont boast about it if i beat him

and yes for the first time im personally insulting u seeing as u take evrything written by evry1 as an insult anyway

 

[yerk]

Originally posted by Cush
Hmm...

First off he calls people that try and make opted groups sad. I for one find rvring in opted group to be the one of the few things in this game that still brings me joy. So in other word he is calling me sad(personal insult?). Then i say if he thinks that people are sad for trying that then he is a wank. If he dont think so there is no need for him to take offence to that.

And please find somewhere where ive said its wrong to add/run with more then 1 fg. Ive said its wrong to whine about it since it will keep happen it cant be helped and it is after all a game where more then 8 ppl are alloved per zone from each realm.

And me insulting people in every post as you claime i do Moriath is totaly BS. Sure ive prolly insulted somone sometime, who hasent? If you say you havent you lie.

Maybe its you Moriath that run around wanting everyone playing the game as you want and get mad when you find others playing it in another way?

count the insults

 

[Kahland]

avalonian pala 8]

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by yerk
count the insults

Please do.

 

[chretien]

Originally posted by Kahland
avalonian pala 8]

I'm assuming that was about me Kahland. What of it? I'm playing a class/race combination I like. It may not be optimal but it's fun to play and tbh with SCed gear a lot of the race differences even out anyway at high level.
I've got 63 days /played on him since feb 2002 and I think I know how to play this game. I certainly know a lot more about rvr than a lot of level 50s I've been grouped with recently - the ones who don't know how to get to Renaris or still put guard on other tanks. Saw a 50 paladin with higher RR than me frantically trying to pull a savage off the cleric with his taunt shout the other day!

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by chretien
I'm assuming that was about me Kahland. What of it? I'm playing a class/race combination I like. It may not be optimal but it's fun to play and tbh with SCed gear a lot of the race differences even out anyway at high level.
I've got 63 days /played on him since feb 2002 and I think I know how to play this game. I certainly know a lot more about rvr than a lot of level 50s I've been grouped with recently - the ones who don't know how to get to Renaris or still put guard on other tanks. Saw a 50 paladin with higher RR than me frantically trying to pull a savage off the cleric with his taunt shout the other day!

If the pala assist the other tank its pretty natural to have guard on him as he is right by him.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by faderullan
If the pala assist the other tank its pretty natural to have guard on him as he is right by him.

Bloody typical albion .. palas are not damage dealers .. they are support guards !!! Guard on Cleric imo and run them chants.

 

[scarffs]

In an ma-train gank squad yes.
In a fun group the paladin should stay by the healer if needed imo.

 

[old.Aure]

Nice idea Turamber, maybe Hibs will go there.

As for beating higher RR people it does help to have RA and levels of Determination. Some of our tanks now have det 4/5 and it has made a difference recently as our part opt and fill tank group killed PE followed immediately by Everlast on Sunday night in HW. No GP up from our 2 druids however. Probably lucky sometimes something may turn the battle, a good pet for example or a lucky crit.