RvR conunderum

[old.moriath]

Ok, So its obvious we now have 2 classes of RvR

Those in the BO PE vain who form optimal groups and those that are not.

Now these 1fg peeps make there opt'd fg to run around and kill all they find and only have serious competition from other realm opt'd fg.

This sprang about by these people getting bored with zerging.

But my point is don't these fg setups just encourage zerging from none opt'd groups ? In order to have any chance of wiping them out the 'random' groups have to out number them by more than 2:1 therefore leading to the infamous 'zerg' and 'adds' posting.

So although these 'uber' groups are made to avoid a zerg they actually help make them.

Well thats my opinion any way. Oh and they make post farming on BW easier too it seems.

I think the people in these guilds have to expect to fight larger numbers, unless its from a like minded 'RvR' guild. The should just accept that and not whine about adds.

Its just people sticking together trying to survive in an environment that the RvR guilds have created.

 

[Cush]

Moriath been said in many threads before that its quite understandable that ppl that aint able to pull together a "opted" group run in larger numbers. And I for one dont blame them. But some ppl like to try and do there best and there for making these "opted" groups so i dont see anything wrong in that either.

 

[Aule Valar]

Originally posted by old.moriath
Ok, So its obvious we now have 2 classes of RvR

Those in the BO PE vain who form optimal groups and those that are not.

so anyone who trys to make a half decent exp grp is vain too
and actually bothering to try and make a grp that can win is vain and selfish?

 

[naetha]

Re: Re: RvR conunderum

Originally posted by Aule Valar
so anyone who trys to make a half decent exp grp is vain too
and actually bothering to try and make a grp that can win is vain and selfish?

I think he means vein rather than vain - vein as in "in the style of"

Just to clarify

Incidentally, I do agree with Moriath wholeheartedly.

I am an officer in a guild that does fairly regular RvR, primarily in HW and Odin's, but occasionally in Emain. We usually have one full group RvRing at primetime, usually made up of 2 or 3 RR4s, rest RR2-4, although more after a keep take/defence. We generally try not to run more than 1fg in RvR as we get whined at for zerging (by both enemies and Albs) if we have more than 8. However, we can't compete with these uber group setups - the BO 3 savage assist groups, or the MM insta stun pbaoe groups are overpowered, and I don't think I've ever seen a standard Alb group beat them (by standard I mean non-'professional' RvRers, but still an organised guild group, ie not a random pick up group). We managed to beat MM a couple of times when we got the jump on them and managed to get a mezz off before they insta-killed us. It seems you can only beat these uber enemy groups (same goes for Hib groups with 3 chanters, 3 healers BAOD group purge etc) if you have the perfect group setup, and all of you are RR6+, and have all your RAs stack and ready.

Hence, what would generally be seen as a passable RvR group (ie, able to win 50%+ RvR encounters) is completely steamrollered whereever we go, due to these uber groups, so if we want to not be farmed, and actually win anything, we have to take more people.

Uber RvR groups promote zerging on all sides, which is killing the server, the RvR and the game.

 

[Cush]

Or he means Vain.. If my memory serves me right Moriath is a brit and should know his own language good enough for not misstyping like that. But i can be wrong aswell.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

It's brit

 

[Cush]

do you see me saying anything else ?? <blush>

 

[Bagloor]

Re: Re: RvR conunderum

Originally posted by Aule Valar
so anyone who trys to make a half decent exp grp is vain too
and actually bothering to try and make a grp that can win is vain and selfish?

Not at all. But whining about ppl adding in and call them leecher and other bad things absolutely are.

There is a whole server for Guild vs Guild fight only, and it's called Camlann

 

[old.moriath]

yes i meant vein not vain sorry bad me......

and it wasn't a whine or a critisism it was an observation cush.

Not saying opt'd groups are bad or good just pointing outt hat some times they create what the strive to get away from.

Thats all nothing more, nothing less

 

[Cush]

And i merly gave a response to your observation

 

[old.windforce]

off course people run in larger numbers when they don't have a good group. only way to get some rps. rps still dictate the power of your character. you need rps to get rps.

If you don't like being farmed by PE or BO (and a few others) go odin or HW

personally i rather join a good group once a week then run in a zerg all week for the same amount of rps

 

[dozigden]

If you don't like being farmed by PE or BO (and a few others) go odin or HW

If only it was that simple. Fact is everyone, regardless of how they want to play game, is on the same server - this means people will be in any of the 3 frontiers - I wouldnt dream of suggesting trying to restrict people to a particular one due to play style.

What this means though is that everyone has to be prepaired to try and get along and compromise a little.

Or we can carry on flaming realm mates on BW.

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by dozigden
Or we can carry on flaming realm mates on BW.

And this is what going to happen

 

[dozigden]

Originally posted by Cush
And this is what going to happen

No its not!! cry more!!!

 

[Azal]

Heh one of the BO groups yesterday running around had me in it..I ain't played my healer in like..dunno how long, 3-4 months? I'd hardly call that optimal

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by old.windforce
off course people run in larger numbers when they don't have a good group. only way to get some rps. rps still dictate the power of your character. you need rps to get rps.

If you don't like being farmed by PE or BO (and a few others) go odin or HW

personally i rather join a good group once a week then run in a zerg all week for the same amount of rps

if random groups do that, guess what'll happen ? A Gank-Squad shows up to wtfpharm the easy RPs ...


Pretty similiar what happened to Buffils and unbuffed Assassins.
After Emain wasn't an option anymore without a buffbot, people went to HW and Odins instead, until the Buffiltrator Zerg came to farm.
Result : buffed to the teeth Stealther zergs from all realms in all 3 frontiers.

 

[old.moriath]

Yes where ever there are easy rp's the leet gank squads and the infizergs will follow which only leaves a relatively low rr or random group needing to get large numbers to be effective

or have a very short time in the arena

This must be especially hard for new people to the game as to exactly how do they get on the rp ladder with any effectiveness.

Really need that RvR reworking and hope it does something to combat this.

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by dozigden
No its not!! cry more!!!

 

[Qte Eth]

who exactly ever whined about 2 not "opted" grps?
usual whine is 2 opted against 1 opted or 3+ random who just lag u to death

 

[Arflane]

agreeing with moriath here rvr needs to be reworked.
rvr shouldnt be about realpoints and about trying to get ''fair fight''. rvr should be an allout war realm vs realm.
To encourage this mythic will need to make a lot of improvements
(would love to see some epic battles and prolongued borderscirmishes)

 

[osp]

There have been a lot of good valid points made on this thread .
Many will not no me and I will tell u how it is for a extremly new player ....
I am a lvl 50 merc by the name of Osprey on Prywden. I strated playing in febuary maybe march unsure I struggled my way to lvl 50 with lots of help from some very good people ,I decided against RVR in any form until LvL 50 after a few attempts in bg1 .

I have recently dinged 50 and started RvR 2L4 now ( some will laugth at that ) however as it is albs need to zerg to survive against our enemy now , I have tried single grps but my time spent was porting bak n forth and was very annoying , mezzed dead mezzed dead over and over again ........
The point I am making is simple if this keeps happening it will drive many people from albion either to stop RvRing and create new chara`s to lvl and enjoy game that way or to switch race to the mids or hibs chara or even worse to another game .....

Which in the long run will be bad for the game .....I am going to give it another try when I have my 99 % arm and it sced up if its the same and now with decent equipment yes I will probably quiot the game as its not enjoyable and frustrating and I play in my time to relax and have fun ......if you get the gist I hope GOA read this or are aware of it coz at this moment in time its not enjoyable instant mez spells instant death


and its not a moan or whine its a fact ......many will leave

In fact I have had more fun with the guild Rose being taken to cidi and the sumoners then RvR so a big thank you to camil and the peps that hunt with him , as that may swing the balance for me to stay if RvR stays the same

 

[Kahland]

If you dont try, you never get any better.

 

[old.linnet]

Originally posted by Kahland
If you dont try, you never get any better.

But if you keep trying and it doesn't get any better, then you're wasting your time and should find something to do that actually is fun instead. And that's the problem.

 

[faderullan]

You will get better if you try.

If you never tries anything new you will stay at the same level.

 

[Artemls]

Try running 1fg and just turn of the /s and /send chat so you dont have to see the people whining about adds. It's part of the game and I for one not going to flame my own realm for doing it.

 

[faderullan]

No cuz then you would flame yourself

 

[osp]

Originally posted by old.linnet
But if you keep trying and it doesn't get any better, then you're wasting your time and should find something to do that actually is fun instead. And that's the problem.

Hit the nail bang on the head m8

 

[Artemls]

Originally posted by faderullan
No cuz then you would flame yourself

Well the amount of times we got PE stealth adds on us you can't say your guild are agaist adds can you? If it was your Infils/Mincers they should know not to add in a 1fg vs 1fg fight.

 

[old.ivan]

Whoever invented this 1fg vs 1 fg crap anyhow .. im sorry but im paying money to play the game and i will bloody play whichever way i like as long as its within CoC, this is getting outta hand. Besides where exactly does it say that definition of rvr is 1fg vs 1 fg the rest are leechers.. ? Im not saying dont do it .. just agree on a spot for the 1fg vs 1 fg challenge and go at it away from popular rvr spots.
But to publicly offend people because they tried to make the fight shorter and maybe save a realmmate from <in game> death is simply profane.


Thats my 2 rubles on the matter.

 

[scarffs]

Go Boris !