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envenom
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a little bit less would do, thanks 
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Silenzio
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Originally posted by jox
Some guys complains that sbs have "so much more" hit points than their infils(hm strange...when they are saracens with 377 in dex...)
For some strange reason most infils are saracens, a choise that was valid 10 years ago, before the buffbot era. If I was about to roll a infil I would go for inconnu or briton with +15 in con & +10 in str, in that manner I would raise my hit points with a significant number. And I would also hit cap for dex/qui/evade(with a decent bb and some augmented stats ofc).
Saracens are like Midgårds kobolds
u know we r all fotm char younger than 2 month...
mmm well higlander cant be infil ;Prrrrrrrrrrrr
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samildanachh
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Originally posted by Gordonax
A 9 sec stun off an evade? Nooo... there's no way they'd give that to a class that evades as often as most stealthers do.. would they?
To be honest, I think it would be better to remove DF from the thrust line than to add it to SBs. But the problem isn't DF as such - it's the combination of having "backup" styles plus high evade plus DF.
On the other stuff in that IGN post:
Battlegroups - Interesting. Indicates that Mythic believes that 1fg vs 1fg ISN'T the best way to experience RvR in the game. Will make keep takes much easier to co-ordinate.
Quit it with the DF whines pls-sb's were better than infs while they had better dmg, now ur not, tough shit.
Removing Df is not the answer as a inf without DF wuld be dire.
And before u start calling me a skillless DF n00b, i stopped playing my infil about 2 weeks before the LA nerf.
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Aussie-
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Originally posted by envenom
a little bit less would do, thanks
what a big mouth for someone that ran away in melee =)
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envenom
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dunno what your on about bud and if its that time when u were shooting at me in mtk i was on 50% when i reached you and i got you down to IP then some sb comes and kills you im glad he did tbh funny watching u being run down like a dog
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Lol
So the two people who think infils can take down tanks are the thane who once played a SB pre 1.62 (Zoldot) and the ebay brat who lies about DF damage.
Very reliable.
So the two people who think infils can take down tanks are the thane who once played a SB pre 1.62 (Zoldot) and the ebay brat who lies about DF damage.
Very reliable.
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lol do u ever read any posts ? or u just start flameing every chance u can?
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jua-
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Originally posted by jox
Some guys complains that sbs have "so much more" hit points than their infils(hm strange...when they are saracens with 377 in dex...)
For some strange reason most infils are saracens, a choise that was valid 10 years ago, before the buffbot era. If I was about to roll a infil I would go for inconnu or briton with +15 in con & +10 in str, in that manner I would raise my hit points with a significant number. And I would also hit cap for dex/qui/evade(with a decent bb and some augmented stats ofc).
Saracens are like Midgårds kobolds
i wouldnt trade my saracen for nothing wait til /hood comes out be afraid !
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Glottis_Xanadu
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I love how lame SB's are.
While a scout is hardly an equal opponent like a hunter is compared to an inf, you lamers still zerg scouts nonstop.
Offcourse, you will claim they are stealthzerging, but unlike the lame Hunters roaming about Emain, very few scouts group.
But keep on believing whatever nonsense you say.
Regards, Glottis
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-RG-Jaond
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Can understand that you and your warder friends at amg got a hard time killing tanks, but look at wittor, elajt or some other high rr infil
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Hmm 2 high rr buffed to the gills infils, who can admittedly drop unbuffed tanks.
As can any buffed class drop any unbuffed class - gives ahuge advantage and I'll be pleased to see buff range come in.
Sadly I think you're harking back to pre 1.62 days when shadowblades could take out any class of equal buffed status be they rogues, casters, light tanks or heavy tanks. Infils could never do that - don't confuse the overpowered staus of the pre 1.62 sb with the current status of the infil - there's no comparison.
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-RG-Jaond
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Ofc a liddul rr2 unbuffed infil cant take down a tank
But buffed and rr5+ both infil, ns and sb take down tanks, just these damn pallas thats hard when you get ooe
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-RG-Jaond
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And low rr unbuffed sb did not take out a tank pre 1.62
Maybe a low rr with epic armors, hmm like 90% of the albs then, scary how many albs still runing in epic and then don't understand why they get wtfpwned.
Maybe a low rr with epic armors, hmm like 90% of the albs then
, scary how many albs still runing in epic and then don't understand why they get wtfpwned.
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-RG-Jaond
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Ofc scouts is not equal to sbs, would it be balanced if a scout with ~20 in weapon spec could take out a sb in melee?
Most scout specs i have seen is 50bow 42shield 35stealth and rest thrust/slash.
Then you spec for doing nice dmg from a distance not to go into melee
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Haldar
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wanna thrust str/dex weapons too....
yeah take away ap, the only thing that puts our "dmg taking" in same line as britons/norses since celt shades aint gonna happend
celts have 20 more con, which equals to 74 more hp for rogue.
i'd rather fight shades who have 74 more hp than shades who reduce my dmg by 30% (actually giving themselves 47% more hp)
btw, shar race has been removed from being shades (afaik)
It only shows it aint 50 hp a shadowblade has
Sb hp advantage is exactly 5%. period.
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I think its telling of the mindset that so many SB players see improving SBs in terms of reducing one other class.
Very sad, and really won't help you.
Make your case for the thrust/pierce line based on str/dex - make it unified and make it quick. All this sniping and dithering will mean you wind up with a botched fix that doesn't halp your overall performance.
Very sad, and really won't help you.
Make your case for the thrust/pierce line based on str/dex - make it unified and make it quick. All this sniping and dithering will mean you wind up with a botched fix that doesn't halp your overall performance.
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Flimgoblin
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Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
But buffed and rr5+ both infil, ns and sb take down tanks, just these damn pallas thats hard when you get ooe
in duels at least it's usually down to them getting their str/con debuff off
nerf envenom (the poisons not the player)
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salamurhaaja
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That's crap you saying.
I could never win madtank 1vs1 back in 1.60 when I was sz (tried many times).
There was few other alb tanks who beat the crap out of me even tho mids had all relics.
Don't state something you don't know.
EDIT: Also me+aada (rr8 & rr9 buffed sbs) were killed by single rr3 alb tank even tho we jumped on him.
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Xandax
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Well - it is the way it seems to work
The out cry towards mid.classes always involve nerfing them instead of bettering the rest.
So maybe some people simply feel vendictive as well?
LA got "fixed" (programming error or not) by nerfing it, instead of boosting others.
End regen. got nerfed instead of bettering others realms.
Healers(mainly CC/insta CC)
Shammy and Ichor/disease.
Saveges.
Bonedancers lifetap.
and the list goes on.
Allmost all complains there are toward mid.classes are made so they should be nerfed (into oblivion).
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Aussie-
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you sure you didnt forget to lie ?
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Gordonax
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LA damage was so out of line that bringing others up to the same level would have been insane - if you think infi's are bad now, imagine if they had DF AND did pre-nerf LA level damage.
Everyone knew - although some quite happily denied, seeing as they wtfpwned - that LA needed nerfing on 'zerkers. What everyone didn't know was that LA damage nerfing would affect SBs even more. Of course, in theory you could just rely less on LA - but in practice, there's no spec line for SBs or template at the moment that can bring them up to the level they should be at.
So, the problem isn't DF, no matter what the DF-nerfers say: it's with SBs, who need some loving. Yes, I'd like to see some down-grading of DF although the problem really isn't the style (there's nothing wrong with having a fight-winning style at 50 imho), but the fact that getting 50 thrust requires little in the way of compromise in other spec areas.
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I think lying through his teeth is mainly aadas role - he's very experienced but also very obvious.
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Puppetmistress
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Did that happen every time you jumped that guy? Or was he extremely lucky with crits, blocks, parries and you 2 where extremely unlucky with those things?
Individual occurences have no meaning in this game. It was the fact on average a SZ could eat tanks and own them in 5 styles. That was wrong and is fixed.
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Interesting thought.
What tank class makes a sacrifice to take weapon to 50? Heck, LW heroes with 50LW/50parry/rest in whothehellcares.
What mage class makes a sacrifice to take a spec line to 50?
Only classes that struggle are some hybrids.
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Sbs are fine, they eat a lot of classes for breakfast. Increasing
them would again make the game unplayabel for any but infils.
Maybe the players of sbs dont care much, they just want their win button back.
them would again make the game unplayabel for any but infils.
Maybe the players of sbs dont care much, they just want their win button back.
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-RG-Jaond
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Most albs ( i guess you on of them ) play with crap items no buffs and cry cause an fully buffed sb with everything capped sc suit pwn them. Wtf do you expect?
Most albs are just free rp's cause they cba to get the top gear and who need that when they just /stick Outlaw?
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Silenzio
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nah maybe its just confued
and the other one was just /stick on him ready to leech as allways, but... u know /stick chard doest add anything in combat
thihih ;P
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Silenzio
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mmm still remebr u in epik attaking my arms wearing also epik
near surs
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Originally posted by Silenzio
mmm still remebr u in epik attaking my arms wearing also epik
near surs
Ahh good old time's
Was more fun before sc armors but now it's a must have thing
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tbh I see as many mids and hibs in epic as Albs.
But jaond, isn't this just a part of the old midgard excuse - that somehow by pressing the midgard buton you became better players?
But jaond, isn't this just a part of the old midgard excuse - that somehow by pressing the midgard buton you became better players?
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