New info about the assassin balance...

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
tbh I see as many mids and hibs in epic as Albs.

Dont know about mids cause i never fight them, but very rare i see a hib in epics or crap sc armor at lvl 50.

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
But jaond, isn't this just a part of the old midgard excuse - that somehow by pressing the midgard buton you became better players?

Did I ever say that? no


What i said was that all buffed player with good scarmor can beat an unbuffed tank easy

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Most albs ( i guess you on of them ) play with crap items no buffs and cry cause an fully buffed sb with everything capped sc suit pwn them. Wtf do you expect?

Most albs are just free rp's cause they cba to get the top gear and who need that when they just /stick Outlaw?

You base this information on your experience camping a Milegate close-by while teaming up with other SB's?

Or did you do some serious research? If so, please show the data.

If not: Your words mean NOTHING.

Continu to whine about dragonfang and 2.5x specpoints. Making generalisations about a realm is pretty dumb.

An Alb
(running in SC'ed gear and pre-SC had very good gear with mixtures of Legion- and LB-epicmonster drops)

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I think lying through his teeth is mainly aadas role - he's very experienced but also very obvious.

yeah because you know how to speak bollox everytime dont you? i mean comon we give u evidence/fights etc yet u still refuse to believe fuck off newbie your the lieing **** here no 1 else

you come up with every excuse possible to defend infils bugger off

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by envenom
yeah because you know how to speak bollox everytime dont you? i mean comon we give u evidence/fights etc yet u still refuse to believe fuck off newbie your the lieing **** here no 1 else

you come up with every excuse possible to defend infils bugger off

Excuse? Or valid explanation?

You've posted no evidence and no data - just whined and out and out lied.

Why is it when you post I have visions of a sad 13 year old social inadequate?

(Ps - sentences are a good thing.)

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
You base this information on your experience camping a Milegate close-by while teaming up with other SB's?

Made rr1-rr5 in hw and fs solo so wtf are you talking about?

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Continu to whine about dragonfang and 2.5x specpoints. Making generalisations about a realm is pretty dumb.

Never said all albs but many

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
An Alb
(running in SC'ed gear and pre-SC had very good gear with mixtures of Legion- and LB-epicmonster drops)

Like i said not all albs

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Made rr1-rr5 in hw and fs solo so wtf are you talking about?

HW and Forest Sauvage arent really regular RvR-spots. People you meet there are often not 50, showing up for keepdefense, crafters and stuff like that. Can't expect much off them.

Never said all albs but many


Like i said not all albs

Perhaps you're right, but I think I see the majority of Alb players who I see more often in RvR run around in SC'ed gear.

Non-50's, crafters, Roleplayers and very casual players is what you see more often in Alb frontier. Cant make a rule about all Albs active in RvR from that sample tbh.

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by Aussie-
you sure you didnt forget to lie ?

You can confirm that from Jergiot.

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Excuse? Or valid explanation?

You've posted no evidence and no data - just whined and out and out lied.

Why is it when you post I have visions of a sad 13 year old social inadequate?

(Ps - sentences are a good thing.)

people have given you date before yet you just pass it off as incorrect or bad luck.

puppetmisteress u dont even play a bloody stealther so what the hell are you doing posting about stuff u have no idea about

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
You can confirm that from Jergiot.

buffed merc with IP + Dirty Tricks xD

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by envenom
people have given you date before yet you just pass it off as incorrect or bad luck.

puppetmisteress u dont even play a bloody stealther so what the hell are you doing posting about stuff u have no idea about

Lol - what data? I keep asking for it and all I get back is 'one time at bandcamp a monkey flew out my butt and all the SBs fell over'.

The crap you post isn't data - hell it isn't even anecdote, it just pure fabrication.

If this data has been posted so much then point me to it. If its as frrequent as you believe you must have dozens of reputable logs you can post yourself.

 

[Driwen]

data is also that DF has 17% chance on landing versus a sb and FG 10% chance on landing versus an infil. Other data is that SB's have twohanded+5% more hps versus .3specpoints, easier to pull off evade stun(and longer) and str/dex weapons. But offcourse you forget that that has been said twohundred times already and only thing you want is some real logs where the RR's are the same, the same RA's, both with exactly the same sc template and when that is done you will most likely whine about how the fight was wrong as the SB didnt pull off any positionals for some reason. Besides that setting up a test alone isnt that easy. So I think you can keep on claiming here safely that you need hard data, so you dont have to start actually thinking about game mechanics and wether your class is so fun to play, because its overpowered?

Besides that we dont need logs to prove to mythic that infils are overpowered, we just need to make a reasonable case and then they will test it themself, which they will do anyway. So why do you need those logs so badly yourself to start a discussion on wether infils are overpowered?

 

[kin]

Fact is albion is the stealther realm, since we got 3 of them.

Therefore we should have the best stealthers.

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by witte-
buffed merc with IP + Dirty Tricks xD

Aye, rr3 tank killed buffed rr8 & rr9 SBs.
Doesn't sound very fair to me.
People who call 1.60 SBs easy mode can be shot.

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by kin
Fact is albion is the stealther realm, since we got 3 of them.

Therefore we should have the best stealthers.

And mid is melee realm?
Shouldn't mid have best tanks then?
Still mid tanks are getting nerfed, first zerk, soon savage, next warrior or thane?
In that logic alb stealthers should be nerfed too.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by kin
Fact is albion is the stealther realm, since we got 3 of them.

Therefore we should have the best stealthers.

mids got most pure tank classes so we should have the best ones? SO STOP CRYING ABOUT SAVAGES

 

[kin]

Originally posted by salamurhaaja
Aye, rr3 tank killed buffed rr8 & rr9 SBs.
Doesn't sound very fair to me.
People who call 1.60 SBs easy mode can be shot.

You had 1 year of godmode didnt you, now its infils turn

 

[salamurhaaja]

Originally posted by kin
You had 1 year of godmode didnt you, now its infils turn

Godmode?
I only did so good because of relics.
Still I lost to buffed tanks and some infils when I didn't have purge up.

Get real dude.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by driwen
data is also that DF has 17% chance on landing versus a sb and FG 10% chance on landing versus an infil. Other data is that SB's have twohanded+5% more hps versus .3specpoints, easier to pull off evade stun(and longer) and str/dex weapons. But offcourse you forget that that has been said twohundred times already and only thing you want is some real logs where the RR's are the same, the same RA's, both with exactly the same sc template and when that is done you will most likely whine about how the fight was wrong as the SB didnt pull off any positionals for some reason. Besides that setting up a test alone isnt that easy. So I think you can keep on claiming here safely that you need hard data, so you dont have to start actually thinking about game mechanics and wether your class is so fun to play, because its overpowered?

Besides that we dont need logs to prove to mythic that infils are overpowered, we just need to make a reasonable case and then they will test it themself, which they will do anyway. So why do you need those logs so badly yourself to start a discussion on wether infils are overpowered?

I take some of your points here driwen, as you're one of the few that can look at this objectively. Yours and Haldars figures do disagree 17/10 and 18/14 - but its nice to have something to work around. It would be nice to test them in a controlled environment.

I also accept that setting up tests is harder here - and that although the yanks have the facility it is unfortunately marred by the majority of US vn poster being complete and utter fuckwits.

Mythic, historically, assumes balance unless proven otherwise and you're right if you can make a reasonable case they will in all liklihood test it. But its what constitutes a reasonable case, and stating how many spec points etc etc etc is not a case. They know this - they wrote it! Parallel example - on vn albion tank players have been moaning about dual speccing for ages and doing excactly what some posters here do - stating the obvious: 'but hib/mid tanks don't dual spec'. This has been ignored - what did get responses were test logs showing albion dual spec base damage was the same same as hib/mid non dual spec base damage .

So whilst you're correct - mythic will look into reasonably presented cases, what you think to be a reasonably presented case and what 90% of SBs here think is a reasonably presented case are very different. Proof goes beyond repeating back to mythic what they have told you.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by envenom
puppetmisteress u dont even play a bloody stealther so what the hell are you doing posting about stuff u have no idea about

What does playing a stealther have to do with the things I commented on?

I was talking about 'crap gear' and 'Albs' which has NOTHING to do (or isn't exclusive) to stealthers.

 

[Aussie-]

Ooooh they fixed the "missa can 2 shot j00" Tanks

THE DRAMA THE DRAMA

 

[Driwen]

reasonable case can be presenting something in such a light that they havent thought of before. Hell mythic didnt know that the insta taunt of savages had an interupt on it till the savage TL told them.
So you can put it in a light where its obvious that SB's vs infils is an unfair fight, except off course that this is pretty useless now as mythic knows and is saying that SB's need some love. So that message has been reached already.
Now if you want to proof that infils are overpowered instead of SB's in need of love you would indeed need to prove it versus other characters which could be done with model. Now this doesnt work well for the duelspeccing case as you get into a different kind of fight alltogether as for those its usually fg vs fg or more. So you need to look at the whole set of classes, while for infils and sb's its just a fight between eachother one vs one. Which is also why mackey claims they are harder to balance as one small chance means alot in one vs one, but little when it effects one person in a group of 8.

But as mythic or atleast mackey takes the stand that SB's are underpowered, he does acknowledge that infil vs sb isnt fair. However he says infils are fine and sb's arent, which doesnt make much difference for the sb's. This off course does influence rangers/hunters/scouts, but they cant make such a simple model as archers fight very differently than assassins so you do need lots of logs to prove anything. Besides the archers among themself even differ so you cant do a simple comparison and claim that one is stronger than the other.
However stating sometimes the obvious isnt so obvious for someone else and that does include mythic.

 

[Haldar]

log of NS vs Infi
NS RR7, infi RR6
NS got AP3+af charge on him
Infi has 3 melee relics
NS was outdamaged by infi even with AP3 and af charge and won only due to lucky dot crit.
No Dfang used.



"well the log that follow has many mistakes i made, i confused the set up of DB and garrote but well, wanted to show inf+str relics damages with AP3+af charge.purge was down but thx god i didn t get DFed.
i was buffed by a MoA4 druid, i m 7L7; not in epic,not naked and with sc armor.
my rapier is a 3.9 99% and offhand a 3.0 99%

[17:46:02] You enter combat mode and target [Neorah]
[17:46:02] You prepare to perform a Perforate Artery!
[17:46:02] Neorah is too far away to attack!
[17:46:02] You are no longer hidden!
[17:46:02] You prepare to perform a Perforate Artery!
[17:46:02] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:02] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:03] You must be hidden to perform this style!
[17:46:03] You fail to execute your Perforate Artery perfectly.
[17:46:03] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 73 (-41) damage!
[17:46:03] Neorah is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[17:46:03] You hit Neorah for 71 damage!
[17:46:03] Neorah looks weaker!
[17:46:03] Neorah does 6 extra damage to you!
[17:46:03] You are hit for 6 damage.
[17:46:03] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:03] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:03] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:03] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:03] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:04] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:04] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:04] Neorah is too far away to attack!
[17:46:05] You cast a Avoid Pain Spell!
[17:46:05] You feel more resistant to damage.
[17:46:06] You auto-stick Briton.
[17:46:06] You auto-stick Briton.
[17:46:06] You auto-stick Briton.
[17:46:07] Neorah is surrounded by an acidic cloud!
[17:46:07] You hit Neorah for 57 damage!
[17:46:07] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:07] You are no longer auto-following your target.
[17:46:07] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:07] Neorah casts a spell!
[17:46:07] The acidic mist around Neorah dissipates.
[17:46:07] Neorah's strength returns.
[17:46:07] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:07] Neorah is too far away to attack!
[17:46:07] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:08] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:08] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:08] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:10] You prepare to sprint!
[17:46:10] Neorah is too far away to attack!
[17:46:12] You miss!
[17:46:12] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:12] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:12] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:12] You are hit for 150 damage.
[17:46:12] Your movement is slowed!
[17:46:12] Your Strength has decreased.
[17:46:12] Your Constitution has decreased.
[17:46:12] Your hits have decreased.
[17:46:12] You feel weaker!
[17:46:12] You hit Neorah for 2 extra damage!
[17:46:12] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:13] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:13] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:13] You are already preparing to use this style! Type /cancelstyle to enable style cancelling.
[17:46:13] You are no longer ready to sprint.
[17:46:13] You perform your Garrote perfectly. (+54)
[17:46:13] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 118 (-67) damage!
[17:46:13] Neorah does 8 extra damage to you!
[17:46:13] You are hit for 8 damage.
[17:46:13] Neorah evades your attack!
[17:46:13] Neorah begins moving more slowly!
[17:46:13] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:14] You are now preparing to perform a Diamondback style as a backup for Garrote!
[17:46:14] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:14] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:14] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:15] You are hit for 163 damage.
[17:46:15] You hit Neorah for 2 extra damage!
[17:46:15] Neorah attacks you with her stiletto!
[17:46:15] You evade Neorah's attack!
[17:46:15] Your movement is slowed!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:15] Neorah evades your attack!
[17:46:15] You attack Neorah with your dagger and hit for 46 (-26) damage!
[17:46:15] Your dot criticals for an additional 60 points!
[17:46:15] Neorah is poisoned!
[17:46:15] You hit Neorah for 144 damage!
[17:46:15] Neorah does 5 extra damage to you!
[17:46:16] You are hit for 5 damage.
[17:46:16] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:16] You are now preparing to perform a Diamondback style as a backup for Garrote!
[17:46:16] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:16] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:16] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:17] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:17] You are hit for 166 damage.
[17:46:17] Your movement is slowed!
[17:46:17] You hit Neorah for 1 extra damage!
[17:46:17] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:17] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:17] Neorah is not in view!
[17:46:17] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:17] You are now preparing to perform a Diamondback style as a backup for Garrote!
[17:46:17] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:18] You perform your Garrote perfectly. (+49)
[17:46:18] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 107 (-60) damage!
[17:46:18] Neorah does 5 extra damage to you!
[17:46:18] You are hit for 5 damage.
[17:46:18] You attack Neorah with your dagger and hit for 61 (-34) damage!
[17:46:18] A crystal shield covers Neorah's skin.
[17:46:18] Neorah does 3 extra damage to you!
[17:46:18] You are hit for 3 damage.
[17:46:18] Neorah begins moving more slowly!
[17:46:18] You prepare to perform a Garrote!
[17:46:18] You are now preparing to perform a Diamondback style as a backup for Garrote!
[17:46:18] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] Neorah is poisoned!
[17:46:19] You hit Neorah for 142 damage!
[17:46:19] Neorah attacks you with her stiletto!
[17:46:19] You are hit for 89 damage.
[17:46:19] You feel weaker!
[17:46:19] You hit Neorah for 1 extra damage!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You have already selected your styles for this round!
[17:46:19] You perform your Garrote perfectly. (+57)
[17:46:19] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 125 (-70) damage!
[17:46:19] A barrier absorbs 62 damage of your attack!
[17:46:19] Neorah does 6 extra damage to you!
[17:46:19] You are hit for 6 damage.
[17:46:19] You attack Neorah with your dagger and hit for 49 (-27) damage!
[17:46:19] A barrier absorbs 24 damage of your attack!
[17:46:19] Neorah does 5 extra damage to you!
[17:46:19] You are hit for 5 damage.
[17:46:19] Neorah begins moving more slowly!
[17:46:19] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:19] @@Glyphx sends, "is there a cg?"
[17:46:20] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:20] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:20] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:20] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:21] You are too fatigued to perform the Achilles Heel style!
[17:46:21] You are too fatigued to perform the Achilles Heel style!
[17:46:21] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:21] You are hit for 179 damage.
[17:46:21] You cannot move!
[17:46:21] You hit Neorah for 3 extra damage!
[17:46:21] You are too fatigued to perform the Achilles Heel style!
[17:46:22] Neorah is not in view!
[17:46:22] You must perform the Garrote style before this one!
[17:46:22] You must perform the Garrote style before this one!
[17:46:22] You must perform the Garrote style before this one!
[17:46:22] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 70 (-39) damage!
[17:46:22] A barrier absorbs 14 damage of your attack!
[17:46:22] Neorah does 8 extra damage to you!
[17:46:22] You are hit for 8 damage.
[17:46:22] You attack Neorah with your dagger and hit for 54 (-30) damage!
[17:46:22] You critical hit for an additional 24 damage!
[17:46:22] Neorah does 6 extra damage to you!
[17:46:22] You are hit for 6 damage.
[17:46:22] You cast a Lance of Night Spell!
[17:46:22] You hit for 47 (-16) damage!
[17:46:23] Neorah is poisoned!
[17:46:23] You hit Neorah for 144 damage!
[17:46:23] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:24] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:24] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:24] Neorah is not in view!
[17:46:24] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:24] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:25] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:25] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:25] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:25] You are hit for 80 damage.
[17:46:25] Neorah's attacks move with the speed of the wind!
[17:46:25] You hit Neorah for 2 extra damage!
[17:46:26] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:26] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:26] You miss!
[17:46:26] Neorah evades your attack!
[17:46:26] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:27] Neorah is poisoned!
[17:46:27] You hit Neorah for 142 damage!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:27] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:28] Neorah is too far away to attack!
[17:46:28] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:28] Neorah attacks you with her stiletto!
[17:46:28] You are hit for 83 damage.
[17:46:28] You hit Neorah for 1 extra damage!
[17:46:28] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:28] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:28] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:29] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:29] You are too fatigued to perform the Garrote style!
[17:46:29] You attack Neorah with your rapier and hit for 63 (-35) damage!
[17:46:29] Neorah does 8 extra damage to you!
[17:46:29] You are hit for 8 damage.
[17:46:30] Neorah attacks you with her rapier!
[17:46:30] You are hit for 154 damage.
[17:46:30] Your movement is slowed!
[17:46:30] You hit Neorah for 2 extra damage!
[17:46:30] You auto-stick Briton.
[17:46:30] You are no longer auto-following your target.
[17:46:31] You are too fatigued to perform the Diamondback style!
[17:46:31] Neorah is poisoned!
[17:46:31] You hit Neorah for 142 damage!
[17:46:31] You just killed Neorah!
[17:46:31] Neorah's calmness leaves.
[17:46:31] Neorah's enhanced vigor fades.
[17:46:31] Neorah's enhanced agility fades.
[17:46:31] Neorah's extra strength fades.
[17:46:31] Neorah's extra strength fades.
[17:46:31] Neorah's enhanced agility fades.
[17:46:31] Neorah's attacks return to normal.
[17:46:31] Neorah just died. Her corpse lies on the ground.
[17:46:31] You get 957 realm points!
[17:46:31] You earn 38 extra realm points!
[17:46:31] You get 87 bounty points!
[17:46:31] You earn 3 extra bounty points!
[17:46:31] You get 41,943,040 experience points!"

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
But its what constitutes a reasonable case, and stating how many spec points etc etc etc is not a case. They know this - they wrote it!

To quote Mythic:

Shadowblades have been given more hit points (as befits the more fighting-centric ethos of Midgard), as well as have had their specialization points raised to 2.2 per level.

- Infiltrators have had their specialization points raised to 2.5 per level, a significant jump. This makes it possible for them to train much more in many more skills than they previously could, and have the chance to be much more well rounded.

While this sound all fine and dandy - what if *gasp* the added hitpoints does not make much of a difference? ( or the insta DD's that Nightshades were given )

Ask yourself this - would you want to trade your 2.5 specpoints for the same hp increase as SB's were given? If not - maybe, just maybe, they didn't raise the HP enough for it to make as much difference as the 2.5 specpoints did?

( knowing you - you will not reply to my question, but instead bring up for instance Healer/Cleric RA's, Savages and maybe the dual-speccing thing again )

Then again - I don't believe in nerfing infils, I'm more interested in boosting SB's a bit ( which has indeed been noticed by Mythic as something needed ).

 

[BidAccount]

Gods where to begin:

Haldar - you know better than to post 1 log and say thats evidence. Its one log in isolation with some partial context. Interesting on its own, but doesn't substantiate a case one way or another.

Whisperss - balanced does not mean the same. Balanced realms do not mean characters all the same. Quote that back to mythic and you will get nowhere - go reread what I said before.

Driwen - you're correct, and from that report Mackey looks like he's got his head screwed on the right way. Which is where I started on this thread really before getting sidetracked by envenom being a moron - mackey talks about the one thing to improve SBs. I asked what SBs, given the choice of one balancing (not overpowering) addition, they will petition for.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Haldar
blah blah... inf+str relics... blah blah...

Useless log.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Whisperss - balanced does not mean the same. balanced eralms do not mean characters all the same. Quaote that back to mythic and you will get nowhere - go reread what I sadi before.

Aha, so I was correct? You chose not to answer it at all but bring up the old "it's not character vs. character that's important"

As much as I agree with you on normal group-vs-group unstealthed RvR, the same does not hold for stealthers as they are eachother's natural pray.

No point arguing with you - you're not interested in balance at all.

 

[vintervargen]

most of the ppl here, only think of sb vs infil/ns. they fight other classes too you know.

dex/qui debuff for example, bye bye archers?

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Whisperess
Aha, so I was correct? You chose not to answer it at all but bring up the old "it's not character vs. character that's important"

As much as I agree with you on normal group-vs-group unstealthed RvR, the same does not hold for stealthers as they are eachother's natural pray.

No point arguing with you - you're not interested in balance at all.

I am, but the 'stealthers only fight stealthers' is erroneous.

I group with stealthers and we ambush.
I solo - not a huge amount but more as I gain experience (and the odd set of buffs).
I have whole evenings playing scout and getting no rps - just calling in enemy movements
I group with non stealthers.

perhaps its my background - I played mellee and support characters before the infil, so the old habits die hard. But to say stealthers only fight stealthers is incorrect and certainly not within the game mecanics and design.

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
But to say stealthers only fight stealthers is incorrect and certainly not within the game mecanics and design.

95% of my fight are with stealthers

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
95% of my fight are with stealthers

Because you choose to does not mean that everyone does, or that those are the game limitations.