New info about the assassin balance...

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by Silenzio
? df->harmsting->leaper->harmsting ->leaper->rib separation

think suit better

tanke in some count dot... n maybe the fact somoene run arround with more than 2 weap (lot with more than 3) an all ov em poisoned ;P

Df ----> Hamstring x 3 (More if able to) with Leaper as backup style if stun should go out or Purge should be used

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by envenom
(80% of Hps in 9 secs - it would be unkind here if I called that bs)


was an rr3 infil i got him to 5% hps then he lands df strips me of 80%ish hps and wins go ask him urself if u want

his name was lanky btw.

no i rarely loose to an infil or any class with purge up but should i only be able to win a fight every 30 mins? i think not Infernal you have no idea how annoying a 9 second stun and not able to do fuck all about it roll a mid get dfd time and time again you might just have some idea of what its like.

ive played stealthers since beginning of daoc and dragonfang has ALWAYS been a problem its just not a problem thats cropped up since the LA nerf

firstly i agree with u that df needs a nerf
problem how much u nerf it.If u put it on a chain then imo infil get a huge draw back cause sbs and ns have cons based haste and thus hitting with capped speed .So infils will get a hard time landed the chain especialy if they evade when they are @40-50% of their lifes cuase they get mutly hits . I say this from my expirience with my scout i have seen sbs rip me apart in seconds before i even try to do 2-3 slams despite having red buffs and sc suit.Also have seen rayne or aspy hit me 2 time beetwen my trys to slam them
Ps about purge ... 70% of the time i land slam on assasin it gets purged
discuss and plz dont flame i know i migth be wrong so fell free to share your opinion

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Need 2 bbs for that haste buff and then i can take your af buff to

sure imo all 3 realms should have spec af buffs and cons based haste

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Taken into account on first hit - you know how it works!

You explain how a thrust infil, on thrust resistant armour, that isn't high DW specc'd can doaccording to Jaond 1500-1700 hits of damage in 9 secs?

You know its not possible, I know its not possible, everyone else knows its not possible.

Its blatent bs.

well i knew id get these types of responses from you i mean your the 1 man defense of infils and there silly 2.5 specs pts/9 sec stun and all the other goodies they get.

did i expect you to believe what happend ? no not really

 

[wiseguy1]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Ok - given the aada has 1800 hits and had lost 20% of these - so around 1500 hits.

DF gives you three shots of hamstring.

So how did three hamstrings remove 1500 hits?

Methinks you are either exageratting wildly again, or just plain telling porkies.

9s is enough to get those 1500hp off. Just stumbled over elajt a few secs ago.. i have 1900hps he evades my first swing.. nails df and kills me in those 9s. I have capped resists. if u dont beleeve this ask him. It accually seams that u dont have any clue on what infs can do.. beginning to think u have never played one in rvr...

 

[knoll]

Remove all stun from assasin classes except creeping death tbh its way to powerfull with evade based stun on assasin classes we evade so easily.

instead make it so that speccing in critstrike payes off like it is now CS sucks.

its the stun that makes us jump out of stealth and pwn tanks to the left and right goes for inf and sb's alike sure infs got easier and better stun but evading and landing FG on a tank aint that hard not like trying to land it on a inf.

so remove evade based stuns and make CS line more valid after all thats what we should be using but cba to use cause its to bad.

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by wiseguy1
9s is enough to get those 1500hp off. Just stumbled over elajt a few secs ago.. i have 1900hps he evades my first swing.. nails df and kills me in those 9s. I have capped resists. if u dont beleeve this ask him. It accually seams that u dont have any clue on what infs can do.. beginning to think u have never played one in rvr...

i rest my case donttouchtheshit ok?

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Taken into account on first hit - you know how it works!

You explain how a thrust infil, on thrust resistant armour, that isn't high DW specc'd can doaccording to Jaond 1500-1700 hits of damage in 9 secs?

You know its not possible, I know its not possible, everyone else knows its not possible.

Its blatent bs.

How do you know?

Got facts and hard data?

1. You say your 90% unbuffed you dont know how hard an buffed infil hit.

2. You always camp amg with your zerg friends you dont know how infils do 1v1

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by wiseguy1
9s is enough to get those 1500hp off. Just stumbled over elajt a few secs ago.. i have 1900hps he evades my first swing.. nails df and kills me in those 9s. I have capped resists. if u dont beleeve this ask him. It accually seams that u dont have any clue on what infs can do.. beginning to think u have never played one in rvr...

How depressing - Kobolds have even more Hp's than me

 

[wiseguy1]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
How depressing - Kobolds have even more Hp's than me

poor inf.. i feel your pain

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
How do you know?

Got facts and hard data?

1. You say your 90% unbuffed you dont know how hard an buffed infil hit.

2. You always camp amg with your zerg friends you dont know how infils do 1v1

90% unbuffed still leave 10% buffed.

Who says I always camp amg.....


Anyway - a sensible thread on what SBs need is turned into yet another pointless unsubtantiated DF thread due to envenom's blatent lies. They're so badly exageratted only the mentally feeble could believe them.

 

[envenom]

ok so your saying Theron is lieing too right? fuck off shit talker

you either camp amg or mtk nuff said on that

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by wiseguy1
poor inf.. i feel your pain

Bugger off to Hib Prydwen mate, we'll be having some ol' school Xp groups like back in the days with Tanglers

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by envenom
you either camp amg or mtk nuff said on that

Thats a really bad argument since there really are no other place to camp ..... besides you are mostly found between Apk and Amg yourself

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by envenom
ok so your saying Theron is lieing too right? fuck off shit talker

What's depressing is that you simply cannot think of anything other than a nerf for another class that would improve your class. That's sad, tbh. It's like Glottis and his obsession with savages - some weird kind of obsessive/compulsive disorder.

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Thats a really bad argument since there really are no other place to camp ..... besides you are mostly found between Apk and Amg yourself

im into camping mtk lately so i can frag ppl like yourself or ur zerg warder

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by envenom
ok so your saying Theron is lieing too right? fuck off shit talker

you either camp amg or mtk nuff said on that

I'm saying your claims are so badly over exageratted that only the feeble minded would accept them at face value.

Now either its accidental, or its intentional. Either way your claims have no credibility.

Unless of course you have valid ss of this. Otherwise its just hot air.

Lol me a mg camper. Hello pot, meet kettle.....

 

[Aussie-]

Oh I thought envenom never left mpk...

so much whine about DF.. why don't you start with killing scouts, seems like you have a hard time with those too

 

[BidAccount]

Envenoms still itter he can't spam doublefrost and drop everything ingame in 4 hits anymore.

Pity his lies are so unbelievable.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Giving dex/qui debuff is just plain stupid fix. Beside the effect it will have on the weaponskill it will also GREATLY reduce the defense (evade, parry, shieldblock) a class has.

DEX/QUI debuff is just STUPID. The last thing assassins (in general) need is even more options. Giving DEX/QUI debuffs is totally out of line (just as the current STR/CON debuff poisons) and not asked for.

You're not looking at the bigger picture anymore, you're only looking for a way to 100% debuff WS like STR/CON debuff does to shadowblades.

1. I'm looking after something special that would be on par with Infils DF and NS's RA's. Something we have but others don't, to make all 3 assassins viable but in their own way.

2. "The last thing assassins (in general) need is even more options." - No, that's exactly what we need. Have you looked at SB's choice of weaponry? We have to make the hard pick of either slash or slash weapons. Have you looked at our RA's? We all chose not to pick our special RA, and we have nothing else that stand out in the RA list. Have you looked at our poisons? exactly the same as everyone elses; more options here for SB's would be greatly appreciated and would give us that one edge we're looking for.

3. Oh, I'm sorry - Forgive me for wanting to give Shadowblades a way to fully debuff WS for our primary opponents, since they both can do it to us - even stack it with str + str/con debuff. That's called balancing, heard of it?

 

[wiseguy1]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I'm saying your claims are so badly over exageratted that only the feeble minded would accept them at face value.

Now either its accidental, or its intentional. Either way your claims have no credibility.

Unless of course you have valid ss of this. Otherwise its just hot air.

Lol me a mg camper. Hello pot, meet kettle.....

U just dont want to know anything that would prove u wrong right? if u truly would be interrested in how much df effects a 1vs1 fight u would listen to what ppl say and not just flame.. and as i said all u hade 2 do was to talk to elajt and see what he would say about our fight 10 mins ago. but no u dont want 2 know right?...

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Imo ....
Make DF a level 25-34 thrust style with 7 sec stun instead.
Give sbs an off-evade 7 sec stun in either axe or la spec.


It wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would at elast bring all the assasins stun move within the same level.

Also replace the RA Shadowrun with a new and usefull Ra instead.


Another suggestion:

Reduce infiltrator spec points to 2.2X
Make infiltrators and NS swing offhand EVERY ROUND regardless of DW/CD spec to compensate the 2.2X spec points.
Reduce DF to 7 sec stun.
Decrease DF from a L50 style to a L34 thrust style.
Give sbs an off-evade 7 sec stun.
Replace the SB RA Shadowrun with a new and USEFULL RA.
Slightly increase the damage on NS pierce styles.
Remove AP from NS RA table to compensate the increased pierce damage.

Also.. this wouldn't solve all problems and imbalance.... but it would even things out a bit more then it is at moment.

AP3+stealth = joke from mythic.
*points at Minstrels, Archers, NS*

Regards

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by angrykid
I for one support the debuff option that were mentioned in an early post here.

Give dex/qui debuff poisons

mmm i think a such poison would hurt everyone more than give benefit

main hand str/con debuff
off hand dex/qui debuff

main hand alt... does it make difference? 4 stat debuffed
is like a walking dead or a lvl 40 char me think ;P

 

[jox]

To discuss df with infiltrators is a complete waist of time, no infil would never step forward and say; Hey, you right guys, df/infils are overpowered(except Pin). Take laxe; when people whined about laxe pre 1.62 I could never agree to the fact that laxe actually was overpowered(it would have damaged my ego).

We rather live in the illusion that we are more skilled than our enemys than the simple fact that we play a overpowered class. And if you think about it, its so human, so basic. Self-love...

Ok, all i wanted to point out was the fact that shadowblades DO NOT perform well at moment and that Mytix knows it and will do something about it(in time).

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Imo ....
Make DF a level 25-34 thrust style with 7 sec stun instead.
Give sbs an off-evade 7 sec stun in either axe or la spec.


It wouldn't solve all the problems, but it would at elast bring all the assasins stun move within the same level.

Also replace the RA Shadowrun with a new and usefull Ra instead.


Another suggestion:

Reduce infiltrator spec points to 2.2X
Make infiltrators and NS swing offhand EVERY ROUND regardless of DW/CD spec to compensate the 2.2X spec points.
Reduce DF to 7 sec stun.
Decrease DF from a L50 style to a L34 thrust style.
Give sbs an off-evade 7 sec stun.
Replace the SB RA Shadowrun with a new and USEFULL RA.
Slightly increase the damage on NS pierce styles.
Remove AP from NS RA table to compensate the increased pierce damage.

Also.. this wouldn't solve all problems and imbalance.... but it would even things out a bit more then it is at moment.

AP3+stealth = joke from mythic.
*points at Minstrels, Archers, NS*

Regards

I would be more interested in boosts to SB's than nerfs to the other two classes tbh - nerfs are never fun.

Infils have their 2.5 specpts per level and 9 sec stun off evade and a decent special RA.
NS's have lots of RA's ( making it tough at low RR, but sweet at higher RR - and I would like to see any shade picking AP3 - I would probably never go above AP2 if I ever level my shade )
Give SB's ( & SB only ) dex/qui debuff poisons. ( for silenzio: note that how much they debuff would have to be tested and tweaked - but it would give us a solid way to fight evade-based stuns and also debuff weaponskill - while still having the worst RA's, no direct evade based stun and still 2.2 specpts per level )

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by envenom
im into camping mtk lately so i can frag ppl like yourself or ur zerg warder

So now i zerg?

Get your facts right ebeyer, i don't go to Mtk, tho i pass MMG if i can get passed Amg that is.

 

[envenom]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Envenoms still itter he can't spam doublefrost and drop everything ingame in 4 hits anymore.

Pity his lies are so unbelievable.

you really dont know shit do you? was i a shadowzerk when LA was overpowered? no i was a critblade you dumb fuck


its pointless arguing with you about infils because you just refuse to believe anything other then there balanced but then again if suddenly mythic decided to boost LA damage for sbs again i reckon youd be the 1st to start a whine

 

[belth]

Originally posted by jox
Ok, all i wanted to point out was the fact that shadowblades DO NOT perform well at moment and that Mytix knows it and will do something about it(in time).

Gotta agree there after last night when mids took Surs, unbuffed SBs are way below par.

No sarcasm, just a fact.

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by jox
To discuss df with infiltrators is a complete waist of time, no infil would never step forward and say; Hey, you right guys, df/infils are overpowered(except Pin). Take laxe; when people whined about laxe pre 1.62 I could never agree to the fact that laxe actually was overpowered(it would have damaged my ego).

We rather live in the illusion that we are more skilled than our enemys than the simple fact that we play a overpowered class. And if you think about it, its so human, so basic. Self-love...

Ok, all i wanted to point out was the fact that shadowblades DO NOT perform well at moment and that Mytix knows it and will do something about it(in time).

I'll admit that infils are prime of the fight but to call a class who's been like this for ages i wouldn call overpowered unless Muthic actually statet they are, like the did with LA

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Df ----> Hamstring x 3 (More if able to) with Leaper as backup style if stun should go out or Purge should be used

mm good tought... just love to allready have an active chain goin on when stun wear off