New info about the assassin balance...

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JawZ

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Originally posted by Flimgoblin
edit: locking the other one since this one's more active instead :)

Too many keys in posession imo :eek7:
 
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-RG-Jaond

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Originally posted by infernalwrath
once again
all assasin should not be the same!!111111111
a infil could answer u that alb should get cons based haste :p
let me ask u something... if u have purge up u lose to a infil ?

Need 2 bbs for that haste buff and then i can take your af buff to
 
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Whisperess

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Could you whiners and flamers please go troll somewhere else? ( Mostly aimed at Envenom and Glottis )

Try keeping this thread constructive, it deserves it.

And no, changing for instance Sword to Str/Dex wouldn't 'fix' Shadowblades as much as it would screw things up for other classes by a longshot, and I do believe you're aware of this.
 
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Gordonax

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Originally posted by envenom
(80% of Hps in 9 secs - it would be unkind here if I called that bs)


was an rr3 infil i got him to 5% hps then he lands df strips me of 80%ish hps and wins go ask him urself if u want

his name was lanky btw

So he had 5% HPs left and you had 20% left AND YOU STILL LOST?

Either you're wildly exaggerating, were VERY unlucky, or you messed up. You must have not landed a single blow on him after that 9secs.
 
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Rollie

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Originally posted by infernalwrath
once again
all assasin should not be the same!!111111111


Funny, when it comes to realm balance thats pretty much all the main whiners do.

As for haste, in order to get that you would need shammie for specs and healer for haste, oppose to cleric for all specs+spec AF(equal to AP1.5).
 
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BidAccount

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I'd suggest a new SB specific thrust/pierce line based on str/dex to replace sword as an option for SBs. So they'd then have the option of axe (str and slash) and pierce as str/dex.
 
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envenom

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Originally posted by Gordonax
So he had 5% HPs left and you had 20% left AND YOU STILL LOST?

Either you're wildly exaggerating, were VERY unlucky, or you messed up. You must have not landed a single blow on him after that 9secs.

well i got him to 5% hps i got out of stun was on 5% myself i hit and guess what? he evades.

Whispress this is aimed at you: if you dont like the DF threads or anything about DF do not look inside the thread idiot how was that for an aim?
 
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-RG-Jaond

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Originally posted by Gordonax
So he had 5% HPs left and you had 20% left AND YOU STILL LOST?

Either you're wildly exaggerating, were VERY unlucky, or you messed up. You must have not landed a single blow on him after that 9secs.

Or he got the infil to 5% hp while the infil got him to 80%hp :) then he df and take the rest 80% and dead Aada :(
 
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BidAccount

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Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Or he got the infil to 5% hp while the infil got him to 80%hp :) then he df and take the rest 80% and dead Aada :(

Ok - given the aada has 1800 hits and had lost 20% of these - so around 1500 hits.

DF gives you three shots of hamstring.

So how did three hamstrings remove 1500 hits?

Methinks you are either exageratting wildly again, or just plain telling porkies.
 
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i have 2200 i got him to about 5% i was on 80% the guy dfs me purge down he then does a volley of garrote/acchiles takes me down to like 5% i come out of stun he evades and its all over for me

how did them hits remove 75% ish ? ask yourself why ppl complain df is overpowered
 
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Aybabtu

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Originally posted by envenom
heres another idea seeing as we are the suppoesd mele realm give sbs access to crush weapons

Wouldn mind that - debuff would be just as affective and you would still whine about DF
 
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-RG-Jaond

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Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Ok - given the aada has 1800 hits and had lost 20% of these - so around 1500 hits.

DF gives you three shots of hamstring.

So how did three hamstrings remove 1500 hits?

Methinks you are either exageratting wildly again, or just plain telling porkies.

Don't know what your swingspeed is but mine is very very close to cap so guess an infil can hit more then 3times in 9sec more like 5-6 and i dont think Aada got 1800hits when debuffed
 
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Whisperess

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Originally posted by envenom
Whispress this is aimed at you: if you dont like the DF threads or anything about DF do not look inside the thread idiot how was that for an aim?
This isn't mainly a DF thread - which you would know if you actually read and comprehended the original post.

I think 99% of the BW community that reads the RvR sections already know what you think of DF; spare us a few seconds by not posting it in every thread that even touch stealthers will you?

Call me an idiot if you wish; not like it affect me in any way - it only show that you have nothing of importance to say since you have to throw insults around instead of actually saying something constructive.

Could we get back on topic, please - or is this another thread that's doomed due to trolls?
 
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Originally posted by envenom
i have 2200 i got him to about 5% i was on 80% the guy dfs me purge down he then does a volley of garrote/acchiles takes me down to like 5% i come out of stun he evades and its all over for me

how did them hits remove 75% ish ? ask yourself why ppl complain df is overpowered

OMG - such blatent bs.

2200 hits, so 80% is around 1750.

DF = 9secs. He's then garrotte/achilles (? why not hamstring?) - you'll get 3 in while stunned, and 1 more in as you come off the stun. He's not high DW, as he's using garotte/achilles. I'd say he's landing around 600 damage on you.

So with you still at 1k plus and him at 5% he takes you down?

Your assertions don't add up at all. Your over exagerrating, or just plain lying.
 
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Aybabtu

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Originally posted by envenom
i have 2200 i got him to about 5% i was on 80% the guy dfs me purge down he then does a volley of garrote/acchiles takes me down to like 5% i come out of stun he evades and its all over for me

how did them hits remove 75% ish ? ask yourself why ppl complain df is overpowered

2200 Hp's!!! My arms doesn't even have that many with capped con and hp's while being buffed by my lvl 45 Buffbot (MoA 1) and the only buff adding to Hp left is last str/con buff
 
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BidAccount

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Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Don't know what your swingspeed is but mine is very very close to cap so guess an infil can hit more then 3times in 9sec more like 5-6 and i dont think Aada got 1800hits when debuffed

No - not true. SBs with haste buff, permahaste effect from LA, and dex buffed out the wazoo get cap very easily.

Infils don't get this - this guy wasn't a mercfil, and he has no haste buff.

So 3-4 shots whilst stunned - still doesn't take out 1700 hits.
 
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angrykid

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I for one support the debuff option that were mentioned in an early post here.

Give dex/qui debuff poisons to Midgard, and I'll be more than fine with that. Maybe, but this is a big maybe... Reduce Purge timer for all to 15 mins, will give all the ability to use it. yes, it will benefit some classes/realms more, but it will aid very much to a stealther, who has to sneak about and sometimes gets jumped.

Just my two cents, probably not worth anything to any of you anyway :)
 
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envenom

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Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
OMG - such blatent bs.

2200 hits, so 80% is around 1750.

DF = 9secs. He's then garrotte/achilles (? why not hamstring?) - you'll get 3 in while stunned, and 1 more in as you come off the stun. He's not high DW, as he's using garotte/achilles. I'd say he's landing around 600 damage on you.

So with you still at 1k plus and him at 5% he takes you down?

Your assertions don't add up at all. Your over exagerrating, or just plain lying.

no reason to lie thats what happend take it or leave it
 
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envenom

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Originally posted by Aybabtu
2200 Hp's!!! My arms doesn't even have that many with capped con and hp's while being buffed by my lvl 45 Buffbot (MoA 1) and the only buff adding to Hp left is last str/con buff

what you getting excited about? it doesnt take long for an infil to strip you of those extra hps

lvl 45 bot? i use a 50 bot with arcane 2
 
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Aybabtu

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Originally posted by envenom
no reason to lie thats what happend take it or leave it

tbh it does sound abit far out.... i'd take it you don't have any ss to prove it?
 
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Aybabtu

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Originally posted by envenom
what you getting excited about? it doesnt take long for an infil to strip you of those extra hps

lvl 45 bot? i use a 50 bot with arcane 2

Excited? what are you on about?

Im just stating that you have more Hp's than my Arms atm - you have a problem with that?

So you have 1 buff which adds to Hp's more than me and 3% better buffs.... Im a frikking tank you are an assassin ffs
 
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Well, I have aug con2 toughness2, and have 2.1k hp.. with best buffs. so 2.2k ain't that bad.. debuffed I have around1 1600 hps left.. that's quite some, ain't it? and 1600 hp is away in 9 secs, don't doubt that. :)
 
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Silenzio

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Originally posted by envenom
(80% of Hps in 9 secs - it would be unkind here if I called that bs)
was an rr3 infil i got him to 5% hps then he lands df strips me of 80%ish hps and wins go ask him urself if u want

his name was lanky btw.

no i rarely loose to an infil or any class with purge up but should i only be able to win a fight every 30 mins? i think not Infernal you have no idea how annoying a 9 second stun and not able to do fuck all about it roll a mid get dfd time and time again you might just have some idea of what its like.

ive played stealthers since beginning of daoc and dragonfang has ALWAYS been a problem its just not a problem thats cropped up since the LA nerf


mmm by any chances u were alone? just that time?
 
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Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Ok - given the aada has 1800 hits and had lost 20% of these - so around 1500 hits.

DF gives you three shots of hamstring.

So how did three hamstrings remove 1500 hits?

Methinks you are either exageratting wildly again, or just plain telling porkies.


? df->harmsting->leaper->harmsting ->leaper->rib separation

think suit better :)

tanke in some count dot... n maybe the fact somoene run arround with more than 2 weap (lot with more than 3) an all ov em poisoned ;P
 
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envenom

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Originally posted by Aybabtu
tbh it does sound abit far out.... i'd take it you don't have any ss to prove it?

i was going that nutz about it in guild chat all i could think about was getting back out there and owning the lil bastard that i did with great pleasure
 
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Aybabtu

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Originally posted by angrykid
Well, I have aug con2 toughness2, and have 2.1k hp.. with best buffs. so 2.2k ain't that bad.. debuffed I have around1 1600 hps left.. that's quite some, ain't it? and 1600 hp is away in 9 secs, don't doubt that. :)

Aybabtu has 183x Hp's with lvl 45 Buffs and MoA 1 + Aug con ll Toughness l ....
 
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Originally posted by angrykid
I for one support the debuff option that were mentioned in an early post here.

Give dex/qui debuff poisons to Midgard, and I'll be more than fine with that. Maybe, but this is a big maybe... Reduce Purge timer for all to 15 mins, will give all the ability to use it. yes, it will benefit some classes/realms more, but it will aid very much to a stealther, who has to sneak about and sometimes gets jumped.

Just my two cents, probably not worth anything to any of you anyway :)

Giving dex/qui debuff is just plain stupid fix. Beside the effect it will have on the weaponskill it will also GREATLY reduce the defense (evade, parry, shieldblock) a class has.

DEX/QUI debuff is just STUPID. The last thing assassins (in general) need is even more options. Giving DEX/QUI debuffs is totally out of line (just as the current STR/CON debuff poisons) and not asked for.

You're not looking at the bigger picture anymore, you're only looking for a way to 100% debuff WS like STR/CON debuff does to shadowblades.
 
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Originally posted by Aybabtu
Excited? what are you on about?

Im just stating that you have more Hp's than my Arms atm - you have a problem with that?

So you have 1 buff which adds to Hp's more than me and 3% better buffs.... Im a frikking tank you are an assassin ffs

It only shows it aint 50 hp a shadowblade has. It also shows buffbots are overpowered.

And last but not least it shows there's something wrong if a non tank class can get so many hp.

HELLO MYTHIC WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ?!?!?!?!?
 
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Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Donttouchpoopy str/CON debuff

Taken into account on first hit - you know how it works!

You explain how a thrust infil, on thrust resistant armour, that isn't high DW specc'd can do according to envenom 1500-1700 hits of damage in 9 secs?

You know its not possible, I know its not possible, everyone else knows its not possible.

Its blatent bs.
 
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