Discussion - Banning Dog Breeds

[Sparx]

The reason i bring this up is because on Wednesday my nephew Jude was attacked by a Staff outside of school and it was pretty bad - Story is here

Boy is savaged by dog | The Sun |Home Scotland|Scottish News

Even though this happened i dont think breeds should be banned, we dont call out for other dangerous animals to be banned incase the hurt. The difference here is its not in the dogs nature to be dangerous its the way the owner breeds them.

Im gutted this has happed to my nephew, he is such a nice boy and now he is going to be terrified of dogs for a long time which is a real shame

What are your views on banning animals?

 

[Ormorof]

licence people to own dogs, pure and simple some people simply should not be allowed to own dogs as they are feckless idiots (just like we dont allow people to drive cars until they prove some degree of aptitude and knowledge of how it works)

those dogs are some of the nicest, friendliest dogs when trained correctly, however if trained badly, then they are potentially extremely violent (as is the case with many dog breeds)

 

[fettoken]

Rough up the owner. Ban people. Not animals.

 

[Chronictank]

some breeds are inherently unstable however the ownership of dogs should be licensed adding some accountability

I mean what dog doesn't have a RFID tag nowadays? simply make it a requirement and link it to home addresses,

I don't see why owning a dog is a right, if you can't afford it then you shouldn't have one.

In reality people who are raising fighting dogs won't liscence them anyway but means the police can simply take the dog away and fine the owner rather than being powerless, but then we live in the UK, a country where it is blasphomy to treat an animal like an animal... i doubt any sort of legistlation will ever happen as it will be extremly unpopular with the masses

 

[Ormorof]

but you can be punished in the UK for the actions of your dog, if your dog bites someone you are liable, and the dog will likely be put down

depends somewhat on the situation, if you kick a dog and it bites back the owner might not be charged but dog will probably still be put down

a friend of mine had a case thrown out of court when her dog snapped at (but didnt bite) some chav who kept pulling her dogs tail, the chavs called the police who kept the dog until a judge told the chavs to stop pulling dogs tails and they might not get bitten

she got lucky with her dog, lovely animal, even if he is a 16 stone newfoundland!

 

[Lethul]

Licens for dogs , simple

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well some breeds shouldn't really exist(not because of violence, because of problems for the animal), but that's a "what if" hypothesis that really isn't here nor there.

If you can't control a dog and you train it so poorly, you should be given a ban from dogs for a certain period of time(if not forever), ofcourse taking into consideration the events(all dogs potentially bite if pushed the wrong way).

So no, don't think they should abn certain breeds, but i wouldn't be against a little bit of owner control.

 

[Tuthmes]

rough up the owner. Ban people. Not animals.

qft.

 

[Sparx]

Another Article about the attack. If it wasnt for the actions of another parent the dog would have killed my nephew. I knew when my aunt called something had happened
My big sister is fuming which is understandable

Seven-year-old lad savaged by dog at his school gates - The Daily Record

 

[Ch3tan]

The problem is, regulations aren't enforced, licensing which I think is great, won't work in practise. Those that breed will continue to, those that want fighting dogs will continue to own them, legally or not.

You'd need a massive overhaul of current laws, you'd need a regulatory body set up and the police to enforce the laws. It will all cost too much money, and the end result will be the same. Bad owners will still raise violent dogs, good owners will pay for licenses etc, bad owners won't. Illegal breeders and fighters will just hide better.

 

[Wij]

How would you decide who gets to own a dog ?

Noone with tattoos ?
Noone in council housing ?

Not likely to get them passed as laws. What criteria would you use ?

 

[CorNokZ]

licence people to own dogs

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[Ormorof]

How would you decide who gets to own a dog ?

Noone with tattoos ?
Noone in council housing ?

Not likely to get them passed as laws. What criteria would you use ?

pass training course before you are allowed to own a dog?

once you own a dog have to pass a "proof of training" test? (both owner and dog show that the dog is under control) after a certain period of time.

that would be in an ideal world but unfortunately it is unlikely to happen

 

[Mabs]

ive said it before,most animals arent like that by nature, they get like that when they are badly treated

go for the cause not the symptom. if a dog attacks someone, put the owner down.

 

[Influenza]

That looks really nasty and im glad hes gonna be OK , it couldve been so much worse if that guy hadnt got the dog off.

One of my neighbours has a staff and it looks evil but its really friendly and absolutely loves people, most of the staffs round my way are like that but with staffs if they do happen to snap they can do alot of damage.

Reading the article it seems the guy said he only had the dog for 1 day , if its a rescue dog it shouldve been properly assessed by the staff at the kennels before letting it be re-homed but the problem with that is you dont know how its gonna handle certain situations until its actually happening.

I blame the owner for this incident as if hes only had the dog for 1 day you dont take it passed a school when all the kids are coming out when you dont know how its going to react , even if the dog is usually friendly it may get a bit defensive with that many people around it.

As for the licences , im all for that but it shouldnt be overly expensive as the people who own the dogs for status symbols wont pay it anyway.

I paid £75 for my puppy last year and the woman at the rescue kennels said they only charge that to discourage the type of people who wont look after the dogs properly , maybe a licence may have a similar effect.

 

[Wij]

pass training course before you are allowed to own a dog?

once you own a dog have to pass a "proof of training" test? (both owner and dog show that the dog is under control) after a certain period of time.

that would be in an ideal world but unfortunately it is unlikely to happen

What's to stop scummers passing the course. They are generally quite adept at lying.

 

[Cerb]

Nah you can't ban the breeds because it all comes down to how the dog was raised not its breed. A friend of mine has owned a Staff since it was born and that thing is positively cuddly. He literally pisses himself when he gets too excited because someone is paying him attention. People are the problem.

 

[Wij]

Ban people !

 

[Punishment]

Licensing and certain breeds requiring a muzzle in public by law

 

[Embattle]

I would ban most dog breeding, but then that is more to do with having too many dogs.

 

[Ch3tan]

Not one person calling for licensing etc, has said how it would work in real terms, or where the money would come from.

 

[rynnor]

Its just a symptom of general lawlessness - theres no point creating new laws because noone enforces the ones we have.

I am a dog owner who keeps his dog under control but more than half the dogs we see are unfriendly, poorly controlled etc. etc.

Sadly a large chunk of the general public are stupid and inconsiderate and dog owners are no exception.

No licensing system could ever tackle this sad reality - look at all the dangerous idiots on the road - tests and licensing hasnt worked there.

 

[Angrist]

License to have kids in the first place, if it doesn't help in 60 years time, then licence for dogs

 

[Mey]

license to have kids in the first place, if it doesn't help in 60 years time, then licence for dogs

qft!

 

[Lamp]

I hate those pitpull / staff dogs. Nasty aggressive fuckers. Police should have those lol

But....in most cases, its bad owners not bad dogs.

Greyhounds look like they'd break if you touched one. Ugly dogs.

 

[pikeh]

some breeds are inherently unstable however the ownership of dogs should be licensed adding some accountability

Strongly agree.

Sad news about your nephew, Sparx, I hope hes not left with permanent injuries.

 

[Talyn]

Generally there are 2 reasons for a dog going mental.

1) Pedigrees - usually due to inbreeding and the like some dogs get all mental
2) Bad owners - training dogs to fight, mistreating them etc.

I don't think breeds of dog should be banned, but pedigree breed should be monitored a hell of a lot more, and abusive owner should face much harsher charges than a small fine and a ban on keeping pets - they should be imprisoned and/or treated to the same abuse they gave thier pet.

 

[Scouse]

How would you decide who gets to own a dog ?

Noone with tattoos ?
Noone in council housing ?

Not likely to get them passed as laws. What criteria would you use ?

This. There's fuck all you can do.

Licencing won't help at all. How does paying tax make owners responsible. Or passing a course.

Everyone passes their driving test yet the road is full of retards...


Edit: Oh, and:

and abusive owner should face much harsher charges than a small fine and a ban on keeping pets - they should be imprisoned and/or treated to the same abuse they gave thier pet.

Yeah. Well thought out there.

 

[Tuthmes]

Btw, did I read it correct? The owner(s) only hade the dog for one day and left it on a leash(sp?) alone near a school?

 

[cHodAX]

Just read the story mate, horrific. Hope the little fella is ok and makes a good recovery.