Football The 2010/2011 Season Thread

[Septima]

Wenger shouldn't be in the top ten tbfh. But the list is just stupid, pep guardiola is not even on the 20 first...

 

[leviathane]

why shouldn't he be in top 10?

 

[megadave]

Pep Guardiola; 3 seasons as manager, built success on a team someone else built, spend more money in 1 summer than wenger has in a decade. why should he be in the top 10 and Wenger not?

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Wenger the most successful Arsenal manager in history.

He did the impossible and went unbeaten in a 38 game English top level league.

He's kept Arsenal highly competitive over a number of years, essentially having 3-4 rebuilds he's been there so long, all while spending nothing and helping to produce some of England's most talented prospects. Arsenal still haven't spent more than £15m on ANY player. Less than half of the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea and (lesser) Liverpool. His ability to manage a club as well as coach means Arsenal now have facilities in training and in the stadium, that are world class and envied all over the world. He's brought the amount of debt to an absolute minimum, and Arsenal are essentially now a profit making business as well as a competitive club in the top competitions in the world. Of the big clubs, Arsenal are by far and away the most financially sound. They will never have to consider stressing about impeding controls on debt.

He embodies development, style, technical ability and pure football. He inherited a team of thugs, now Arsenal come top or near top of the fair play league every season. He was one of the leading sports scientist managers of the 90s. He was one of the main implementers of sensible controls over players, particularly that of diet. This is now standard in every professional club in the country and the old way of doing things seems archaic now and it was such recent history.

He's been able to spot raw young talent and develop it into a way that allows the player to achieve as much as they possibly can. Henry was a failing winger. Arsene turned him into one of the best strikers seen in the modern game.

Yes, he has his flaws but the number of achievements he's made is quite staggering. It's not much of a surprise to hear so many of Arsenal's players going on to worse things when they leave. Many of them, like Anelka, Hleb, Pires etc. all regret leaving from under him as he's such a heavy positive influence on their lives.

Can you honestly name 10 managers that have achieved more or been more influencial in that time period? I haven't even listed everything he's achieved, I've already spent ages typing out his most basic of achievements.

 

[cHodAX]

Ten? No definately not he is easily one of the best on that list. The one that jumps out is Fergie as he has done everything Wenger has done and more. Mourinho is up there on pure success, yes he spent a truckload but it takes more than money to build great teams and he has done it three times now. As for the rest well Capello at club level has been brilliant, Hitzfeld and Lippi are definate top 10 for me as well.

Wenger would make my top 5, quite possibly my top 3 and in many regards he would be my second choice after Fergie.

 

[Ch3tan]

Calm down wazz, lol, no one said he was shit. He's top 3 for sure, maybe not number 1 though.

 

[cHodAX]

Calm down wazz, lol, no one said he was shit. He's top 3 for sure, maybe not number 1 though.

Thought he made a bloody good well reasoned post myself.

 

[Lethul]

stupid ***** :/

Wow, calling for Abramovic out is quite ... weird

 

[JingleBells]

Firstly I think the top 10 list is very skewed in favour of English based managers, but TBH you could argue English clubs have dominated the major European trophies this decade.

Secondly, how do you compare what Mourinho has done at three clubs to what Wenger and Ferguson have attempted to build with one club?

Mourinho joined an elite group of managers who've won the CL/European Cup with two different teams last summer, and he's every chance of doing it with a third in the future - that would theoretically make him the greatest club football manager ever.

Wenger and Ferguson on the other hand have managed to stay employed at the same job in that time, I remember reading that almost 1000 managers have been used in the football league during Fergie's reign and I imagine Wenger has probably had almost 500. In the modern world of cut-throat chairman these are phenomenal achievements, especially as they've both had to build several squads in this time.

I don't think you can discount Guardiola as easily as megadave had either - remember he helped a lot of this squad develop whilst he was youth manager at Barcelona, people like Busquets have come through and been able to prove themselves on every level of the domestic game. He won every trophy on offer the other season, say what you like about La Liga domestically but that's still a hell of a lot of games to play.

 

[leviathane]

Mourinho joined an elite group of managers who've won the CL/European Cup with two different teams last summer, and he's every chance of doing it with a third in the future - that would theoretically make him the greatest club football manager ever.

yes jose is a good manager no one can deny that, however he has at all 3 clubs inherited a very good squad of players.

 

[Septima]

I just don't like the guy....Since it's a subjective vote, i just voiced my opinion.
And if you compare him with Fergie, Mourinho and even Ancellotti, he looses stats and titles wise. (used this three examples because they all play/played in the premier league and makes it easier to compare)
Titles is the only that count to evaluate a manager, otherwise it's subjective.

@wazzer: i give credit to his work, but as i mentioned earlier, i can't stand the guy.

 

[JingleBells]

yes jose is a good manager no one can deny that, however he has at all 3 clubs inherited a very good squad of players.

And look what Rafa and Scolari did with them

 

[Septima]

yes jose is a good manager no one can deny that, however he has at all 3 clubs inherited a very good squad of players.

Wenger don't have to stay at Arsenal if he can't have the players he want/need to win..he is free to leave.

 

[leviathane]

he's created a legacy, a solid platform for the club to survive into the future.

 

[Ch3tan]

Titles is the only that count to evaluate a manager, otherwise it's subjective.

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No it's not. Player progression, youth set-up, club finances are all things that can be quantified.

 

[Septima]

No it's not. Player progression, youth set-up, club finances are all things that can be quantified.

youth set up i believe MU did a better job than Arsenal, player progression mourinho and Fergie did better aswell and club finances are not directy related to the manager, club management are the ones that say what money is available or not to buy players.

 

[leviathane]

ok mate.

 

[gohan]

youth set up i believe MU did a better job than Arsenal, player progression mourinho and Fergie did better aswell and club finances are not directy related to the manager, club management are the ones that say what money is available or not to buy players.

in the ninties yes, but this decade man u havent had any amazing youth come through the odd 1-2 players that have made it but mainly all been sold on.


arsenal youth team has been solid in the last decade and the players comming through atm are full of quality aswell

 

[Ch3tan]

youth set up i believe MU did a better job than Arsenal, player progression mourinho and Fergie did better aswell and club finances are not directy related to the manager, club management are the ones that say what money is available or not to buy players.

AHAHAHAHAHA!!

Actually it depends entirely on how the club is set up as to how the manager effects the finances.

WEnger has control over the wage structure at arsenal, and controls the transfers. As Wazz has already said he has been in charge of the modernisation of Arsenal, David Dien had a big hand, but he basically supported Wengers vision.

Look At Spurs, where Levi controls everything, Redknapp just says who he wants, he has no say in wages or fees.

Fergie is heavily involved at United, it's his philosophy that runs the club.


This is the difference between a manager and a coach.

 

[Marc]

Arsene Wenger number 1? Well in Arse fans eyes he invented god, whupped Olympus' ass, created earth and then struck lucky by signing a winger who became a scoring sensation and signed 2 centre mids in Viera an Petit who laid the foundation. Once these all went, Arsenal went back to medocrity again. But next year, when the kids are older...

 

[cHodAX]

No it's not. Player progression, youth set-up, club finances are all things that can be quantified.

Titles are still the most important thing though as they effect everything else you can or will do. Arsenal have not delivered in that regard for 5 years and personally I don't think they will until they spend and strenghten in a couple of key areas.

 

[supersaint]

Hodgson's gone.

 

[cHodAX]

Hodgson's gone.

Where did you hear that? Nothing on BBC yet.

 

[supersaint]

Sky sports news,Sky news,just broke.Kenny in charge from tomorrow.

 

[Ch3tan]

BBC Sport - Football - Roy Hodgson and Liverpool part company

My xmas wish came true, Dalglish in charge - an Anfield legend is about to go from hero to zero, great stuff

 

[Lethul]

Hodgson's gone.

Hodgson leaves Liverpool FC - Liverpool FC

weeee

 

[cHodAX]

Wow, bad timing to do it a day before a vital match.

In other news, an interesting read over at The Chelsea Blog...

A Return To The Good Old, Bad Old Days?

 

[supersaint]

They could of waited until 3pm.Was looking forward to Phil Thompson crying on Soccer Saturday.All weekend ruined .

 

[Ch3tan]

They could of waited until 3pm.Was looking forward to Phil Thompson crying on Soccer Saturday.All weekend ruined .

The United v Loserpool match isn't until tomorrow, so that wouldn't have happened.

 

[supersaint]

You misunderstand,on Soccer Saturday from midday they talk about the previous weeks football.Phil Thompson is on the panel.The week Liverpool have had would of made him desperate.Now his best mate Kenny is in charge so he will see light at the end of the tunnel.