Football The 2010/2011 Season Thread

[Wazzerphuk]

My point is there is a fair few examples of footballers in our league that have suffered from addictions whether they were drugs/drink/gambling but they atleast received help and advice from their respective clubs.

They would have gained far more from trying to help the guy out, and they would have been able to sell the guy on at the end of it all and make back some of the cash.

Look at the pure support Arsenal gave for Merse when he had his breakdown. Not to mention Adams going to prison etc. Not every club is as cuntish as Chelsea Emb. Very few are. The rehabilitation of good players is vital, Arsenal probably wouldn't have been a dominant force in the 90s without Sir Donkey and his utterly brilliant defending.

 

[Raven]

Yep, nice generalisation Raven. Well done.

It wasn't just a few lines though was it? It was twice that that he was caught over a long period of time.

Who else is to blame for his ban then? Did someone force him to take drugs? Did he slip over and accidentally inhale them? Maybe the coke was in his cough medicine?

He took drugs (several times) through his own free will, knowing full well that if caught he would be banned. Chelsea invested a lot of money in him, both in wages and development, he thanked them by getting himself banned. they sued him to get their investment back, I see no problem with that.

While I know some people would prefer we lived in a blameless society, It just doesn't work like that. If you fuck something up and cost a party money then you pay for it.

 

[leviathane]

most our players back then were proper alchies xD

 

[Raven]

Why should Chelsea have helped him? They didn't get him to take the drugs, they paid him obscene amounts of money with the expectation that he would pay them back by kicking a ball about a bit. He ultimately failed to do that by getting himself banned.

 

[Calaen]

Look at the pure support Arsenal gave for Merse when he had his breakdown. Not to mention Adams going to prison etc. Not every club is as cuntish as Chelsea Emb. Very few are. The rehabilitation of good players is vital, Arsenal probably wouldn't have been a dominant force in the 90s without Sir Donkey and his utterly brilliant defending.

Exactly, you would think after the cash they invested in him they could have renegotiated his wages because of his actions, sent him to rehab, let him work with the kids and then get something back from him after his ban.

Look at Etherington, he was struggling massively with gambling. He asked for help and he got it and he's sorted himself out.

 

[Vladamir]

In other news, Sturridge scored 5 for the reserves today.

That'll earn him about 5 minutes against Ipswich

 

[Embattle]

Look at the pure support Arsenal gave for Merse when he had his breakdown. Not to mention Adams going to prison etc. Not every club is as cuntish as Chelsea Emb. Very few are. The rehabilitation of good players is vital, Arsenal probably wouldn't have been a dominant force in the 90s without Sir Donkey and his utterly brilliant defending.

I'm not saying all clubs would do exactly what Chelsea but neither am I stupid enough to say every club would help, nor would I be so fickle to try and use it as some weak reply of a players continued issues at his profession. I also don't see any of the examples given so far in the same circumstances that Chelsea found themselves in with Mutu.

 

[cHodAX]

Look at the pure support Arsenal gave for Merse when he had his breakdown. Not to mention Adams going to prison etc. Not every club is as cuntish as Chelsea Emb. Very few are. The rehabilitation of good players is vital, Arsenal probably wouldn't have been a dominant force in the 90s without Sir Donkey and his utterly brilliant defending.

Nail on head.

 

[Embattle]

In other news, Sturridge scored 5 for the reserves today.

That'll earn him about 5 minutes against Ipswich

Personally I would prefer using more of the reserves for a lot more future Premership games and let the first team rest with the intention of using them more for the UEFA Champions League.

 

[Raven]

The arsenal players had been there a while. They didnt just rock up and sign a huge payment deal then get themselves banned. Completely different situation. Did he even play a season before getting himself banned? How much did they pay for him to stuff coke up his nose? transfer fee, signing on fee, wages, traing costs. Having to make to buy someone in to replace him. It all adds up.

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[megadave]

Yeah like Ferguson would be real happy to accept a player who's been banned after cocaine use.

If we'd have kept him then all the same people condemning us would still do so for harvesting druggies anyway. Bunch of boring fuckwits.

 

[Madmaxx]

Look at Etherington, he was struggling massively with gambling. He asked for help and he got it and he's sorted himself out.

Being a left winger myself he was one of the players I enjoyed watching, glad he's doing well at stoke and putting in some good performances of late.

 

[megadave]

gambling and drinking are legal though

 

[JingleBells]

wrong thread

 

[Corran]

Personally I would prefer using more of the reserves for a lot more future Premership games and let the first team rest with the intention of using them more for the UEFA Champions League.

And then you dont qualify for CL next season and the club is financially fecked due to the lost income that no longer can be replaced by a rich owner due to the debt rules on european qualification in future seasons.

Ok... it wont be that bad for chelsea compared to others but missing out on nextseasons champions league will be a major blow

 

[megadave]

financial regulations are pretty relaxed until at least 2018 though, in 2013 you're allowed to lose 45million, it goes down 5million a year until at some point it'll stop

 

[Ch3tan]

Yep that blog you linked explained it quite well, but it averages to £10million a season till 2018, it's not quite as straightforward as £45million a year.

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/05/uefa-say-fair-play-to-arsenal.html
Less justifiable is the acceptable deviation for billionaire owners, who will be allowed to absorb aggregate losses of €45 million over three years from 2012, so long as they are willing to cover the club’s losses by making equity contributions. To be fair, the maximum permitted loss then falls to €30 million from 2015 and will be further reduced from 2018 (to an unspecified amount). This means that in the transition (weaning-off) period, owners can pump in an average per season of €15 million up to 2014 and then €10 million up to 2017. After that, who knows? Perhaps break-even will actually mean what it says by then.

 

[gohan]

Yeah like Ferguson would be real happy to accept a player who's been banned after cocaine use.

If we'd have kept him then all the same people condemning us would still do so for harvesting druggies anyway. Bunch of boring fuckwits.

no different than rio really. rio wasnt caught using anything but he missed a test and got banned an ultimatly got himself in the same position as mutu, unable to do what he's paid to do through his own stupidity.




and iirc fergie sold him straight away but not before shitting on his cornflakes!!!111

 

[megadave]

he just missed a test, mutu got tested postive

also rio was blatantly for the chronic, which is nothing ;D

 

[gohan]

he just missed a test, mutu got tested postive

also rio was blatantly for the chronic, which is nothing ;D

depneds if your defending them from a moral standpoint or business standpoint


businesswise its the exact same thing

 

[megadave]

anyway he's coverted all his money to assets in other peoples names so he wont have to pay anyone shit anyway

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I heard from fairly reliable sources that Rio was in fact in China Whites the night before his test, and looked more than drunk.

 

[cHodAX]

I heard from fairly reliable sources that Rio was in fact in China Whites the night before his test, and looked more than drunk.

Wasn't his fault, people around him were snorting coke and he inhaled some by accident just like people end up smoking passively.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I heard someone turned the handblowers on in the toilets. Pesky hand washers.

 

[Embattle]

And then you dont qualify for CL next season and the club is financially fecked due to the lost income that no longer can be replaced by a rich owner due to the debt rules on european qualification in future seasons.

Ok... it wont be that bad for chelsea compared to others but missing out on nextseasons champions league will be a major blow

I don't remember saying to not bother with the Prem league at all.

 

[Corran]

I don't remember saying to not bother with the Prem league at all.

You talked about fielding more reserves to focus else where, which at a time wherethere a chance of not qualifying for next years CL as is would be taking a major risk.

Mind you, with that said, the reserves cant really do any worse then the first team have... and maybe they will actually do better as they will want to prove themself so they can stay in the team where some first team players dont seem to care.

 

[JingleBells]

Big rumours that Roy Keane has been sacked as Ipswich manager, they've got Chelsea in the FA Cup at the weekend and Arsenal in the Carling Cup next week

 

[cHodAX]

Big rumours that Roy Keane has been sacked as Ipswich manager, they've got Chelsea in the FA Cup at the weekend and Arsenal in the Carling Cup next week

Source?

 

[cHodAX]

Hmm, Daily Fail are running with it...

Roy Keane sacked by Ipswich: Tractor Boys dismiss boss after promotion promise falls short | Mail Online

 

[JingleBells]

Hmm, Daily Fail are running with it...

Roy Keane sacked by Ipswich: Tractor Boys dismiss boss after promotion promise falls short | Mail Online

The Guardian have it too, although I think they're basing it off the mail/mirror who are running with it