- Dec 17, 2003
Looks like good for the SNP who have picked up the Lib-Dem vote and leap-frogged Labour in what were fairly safe seats.
I don't see it being that close yet. For me, my opinion on independence depends on the terms of the settlement.Oh good, Scottish independence a step closer. Let's hope they do it without raping the rest of the UK for cash.
How would it ever work - we own their financial sector. We could crash it and effectively bankrupt them at independance?
I love a rational discussion in the morning.Cut them off and send them into the sea!
Its a serious question though - its one thing to consider independance but how would it ever be done - the two countries are so entangled it would take years to work out and neither side would ever be happy.I love a rational discussion in the morning.
Its doable. Look at Czechoslovakia for an example. However, the Scottish people would be biblically stupid to vote for it. The Euro is non-starter and the EU is no mood or position to subsidise Scotland the way England does (one basket case in the British Isles is probably enough for them to handle right now), and Scotland would have to take on some real costs that are convieniently managed from Westminster right now.Its a serious question though - its one thing to consider independance but how would it ever be done - the two countries are so entangled it would take years to work out and neither side would ever be happy.
Would scotland join the EU and the Euro - would it be able to satisfy the financial tests to join. Would england block its application because they were unhappy with the settlement?
What would the new scotland do with all its regiments - they'd have way too many. etc. etc.
Being Scottish i think it would be a stupid idea to break away, for everyone involved
I also hate this whole yeah we support you, you get all your money from us, as if its a country that just all on the dole.
It couldnt happen realisitically, someone mentioned the military, thats a great example, a large amount of the infantry in the UK is Scottish, so the English army would be massively reduced which meant they couldnt support wars with America which will have a massive impact in other areas.
And what about Faslane? thats a massive base for the south to lose, and the SAS? nearly two thirds of the SAS are Scottish, do we disband them?
I live in London, does that mean no more Irn Bru in the shops? or will it be really expensive? its bad enough not having decent square sausages
Thats the only asset though and set against that you have massive welfare dependancy, a financial sector that only exists due to intervention by the country to the south, a bunch of nationalists who only understand handouts and have never had to balance the books, a currency that no one would buy etc. etc.what about all the money that pours out of aberdeen though? All the gas and oil goes through there. That's probably enough to pay for the entire country?
When i was based in Chelsea Barracks the SAS used to come in every other weekend to train in the old block of flats at the back of the base to practice FIBUA which was brilliant to watch. We used to have a drink with them and chat alot with them, very nice guys. From my own experience i can tell you most of them were scottishTwo-thirds of the SAS are Scottish? Really? Never heard that one before. All the military stuff (including Faslane) is a red herring; Scotsmen without an army would stroll across the border to join the English army in exactly the same way that Irishmen do to this very day (14% of recruits to the British Army in 2008 were from the ROI). As for Faslane, all that would happen is that the RN would lease it from Scotland for a period until they could move south (like the Treaty ports the RN kept in Ireland until the 30s), or the SNP would declare Scotland nuclear free (and lose a load of jobs they could ill-afford to see go) and the RN would move south even more quickly on the promise of new jobs for Englishmen.
Do you have a solid break down of figures that backs this up?It's bad enough that the devolved governments spend all our money as it is.
I know you're being flippant, but I find this to be an arrogant and ignorant point of view. You could argue that London 'supports' everything north of Watford Gap, so why stop at Scotland? My colleagues in London share the same view - they'd built a perimeter fence around the M25 and leave the UK to get on with their own affairs; they dislike Northerners with a passion.London pays all the bills, live with it.
With respect, but that's absolute bollocks.Interesting that SNP support is absent in the two biggest cities and that whole southern strip. Its the highlanders that have voted for em.
Indeed, there are fuckwits north and south of the border.When i go home i find the people who want independance are the the folks who scream "i want away fae thay English wankers" and when you ask them how many English have they ever met? when you get "none and i want to keep it that way" it saddens me.
Whoops! Misread the map on the TV its the borderlands and east lothian that are the holdouts from the SNP.With respect, but that's absolute bollocks.
The central belt of Scotland (from Glasgow to Edinburgh inclusive) is a sea of Yellow, there are some fringe areas in Glasgow (the poverty stricken bits) that stayed Labour.