That's a good point. I think the farmers around here would burn any green candidates.naturally only vote for those who are available in your nation.
Genuine question: Given the fact that manifesto promises are rarely kept (and in the case of the Tories - are election documents to buy votes and nothing more) - then why bother?However I won't know until I've scanned each manifesto
That's like saying they are all as bad as each other and not voting at all.Genuine question: Given the fact that manifesto promises are rarely kept (and in the case of the Tories - are election documents to buy votes and nothing more) - then why bother?
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I disagree. The tories have historically failed on their manifesto promises - although recently they've been complete outright lies - so there's no point in reading their manifesto, as we know they're lying.That's like saying they are all as bad as each other and not voting at all.
Not really - given all their histories on delivering. There are other means and methods of judging who to vote for than what they put in their manifesto.Considering no one else has had a chance to implement manifesto promises, other than the tories in the last 12years, your question is a bit silly.
Well according to that, I now live in a tory safe seat and it can't recommend who I should vote for. That's handy!
In my humble opinion the greens would make a bigger fuck up of the economy than the thunderbird puppet has done.I disagree. The tories have historically failed on their manifesto promises - although recently they've been complete outright lies - so there's no point in reading their manifesto, as we know they're lying.
Labour have put aspirational shit in there, but again haven't been great on delivering historically.
Not really - given all their histories on delivering. There are other means and methods of judging who to vote for than what they put in their manifesto.
Labour, for example, won't put all their silly interfering shit that they do in their manifesto - but they'll do it anyway. So you judge by actions and history.
Frankly, for me, the only real question we need to be answering is how are we going to respond to the existential crisis we're facing - so I'm voting green. I know there's fuck all hope of them getting in (in fact, there's no green candidate in my area) - but the more people who vote green the harder it is for the political parties of all spectrums to ignore it.
(Don't really know why I bother - if it was all just "I'm alright jack" I should vote Tory. But then I'm not that big of a cunt).
They're never getting in so we'll never know.In my humble opinion the greens would make a bigger fuck up of the economy than the thunderbird puppet has done.
Not really. Because, shamefully, they don't really change much. Tories are Tories - they've been Tory-ing since I've been alive. So to look at them and think "they could drive the country forward" is the very definition of madness - unless you like widening inequality, underfunded services, free-market fundamentalism etc.Voting for a party based on their history is an odd concept
It's one way of looking at how you should vote. And a valid one.Shouldn't you be voting for a party you believe would drive the country forward, not what is did in the past?
I think we do. I think they're all more or less the same. Nothing big or significant. And if you look at what's changed when different governments have got in - it bears that out.Considering we actually have no idea how the other party leaders would fair, apart from that bloody Truss woman.
I fundamentally dispute this. The Tory manifesto isn't worth a read. Its lies from beginning to end. So why would you read it? It can't inform you - it can only fuck your sensible mind up.So that brings us back to looking at manifestos to give an indication of where we might be taken, I think.
Why are you so hung up on the Tory manifesto? It might come as a shock to you to discover that they are not the only ones that publish one when election campaigns start.I fundamentally dispute this. The Tory manifesto isn't worth a read. Its lies from beginning to end. So why would you read it? It can't inform you - it can only fuck your sensible mind up.
Because the rest of them don't really deliver on them either - they're pointless documents:Why are you so hung up on the Tory manifesto? It might come as a shock to you to discover that they are not the only ones that publish one when election campaigns start.
...I'll use the last election for my example, I would dearly have loved to vote Lib Dem
They built their whole campaign around this. It was their primary manifesto commitment. And they didn't just not make working with the Tories conditional on this - by the end of the year they voted in a TRIPLING of tuition fees.The Primary Lib Dem Manifesto Commitment in 2010 said:Scrap University Tuition Fees for undergraduates
Kinda pointless - Tories won't be calling any sort of election until they are legally mandated to.
Kinda pointless - Tories won't be calling any sort of election until they are legally mandated to.
I'd actually vote Tory if this guy was leader.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3YgpZhgrDE
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There are still some decent Tories, very rare. I got to know our local Tory councillors through the parish council, with the exception of their leader, they are largely decent folk, and actually doing a reasonable job for the most part.
This is the thing. If you're supporting the party doing bad shit, you're part of the problem - no matter how "good a bloke" you are.I feel like the 'decent' Tories should be jumping ship though
This is the thing. If you're supporting the party doing bad shit, you're part of the problem - no matter how "good a bloke" you are.
There's obviously party cohesion to think about but the bottom line is, there people want power and want paid, and if that means do the wong thing, then wrong thing it is..
People of real strong conscience are rare (and come with their own pitfalls).