Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Scouse]

I guess they own the land so it's not as easy as the po po rocking up?

If I own land, it doesn't mean I get to run an illegal dump.

You can face prison, prosecution and unlimited fine (and cleanup costs). The problem being is that this is normally on the landowner - so if it's public land, who do you prosecute?

But if you're dumping shit on public land, that's still a matter for the police.

If we're going to remove human rights, lets remove them from fly tippers and their associates. Summary execution - Judge Dredd style.

 

[Gwadien]

If I own land, it doesn't mean I get to run an illegal dump.

You can face prison, prosecution and unlimited fine (and cleanup costs). The problem being is that this is normally on the landowner - so if it's public land, who do you prosecute?

But if you're dumping shit on public land, that's still a matter for the police.

If we're going to remove human rights, lets remove them from fly tippers and their associates. Summary execution - Judge Dredd style.

No, I'm saying stopping them running an illegal dump isn't as easy as the old bill turning up.

Does make you wonder though, is a blind eye being turned because it alleviates pressures?

 

[Scouse]

Violence against women is a National Emergency and changing attitudes amongst boys and young men is at the centre of the government's strategy:

Boys to be target of UK's violence against women strategy

Changing attitudes among boys and young men will be central to the government's plan, the BBC is told.

www.bbc.co.uk

Given that men are 3-4 times more likely to be victims of assault than women, it's a bit rich that sex is the focal point for this.

On domestic abuse? Lesbian couples are 60% more likely to experience domestic abuse in their relationship than heterosexual couples.

Maybe political correctness isn't helping us put resources where they're most needed eh? Maybe identity politics is driving a wedge between us. Maybe we're all just full of shit since we don't seem to care about truth any more.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMZR64G_eM

 

[Deebs]

Violence against women is a National Emergency and changing attitudes amongst boys and young men is at the centre of the government's strategy:

Boys to be target of UK's violence against women strategy

Changing attitudes among boys and young men will be central to the government's plan, the BBC is told.

www.bbc.co.uk

Given that men are 3-4 times more likely to be victims of assault than women, it's a bit rich that sex is the focal point for this.

On domestic abuse? Lesbian couples are 60% more likely to experience domestic abuse in their relationship than heterosexual couples.

Maybe political correctness isn't helping us put resources where they're most needed eh? Maybe identity politics is driving a wedge between us. Maybe we're all just full of shit since we don't seem to care about truth any more.

This is just so scary. In 1,000 years (NOTE: could be a lot less, this is a wild guess) we will be cavewomen/men again as it seems we are losing our ability to think correctly.

 

[Deebs]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMZR64G_eM

Fucking hell, all I saw was icecream and pizza. Completely overlooked that red car thing, is that a Ferrari or a new Fiat?

 

[Scouse]

Jeesus Starmer. What are you fucking thinking?

So, legal advisor on planning has quit due to disagreements on how fast to strip back planning rules...

Reeves’s planning overhaul stalls as senior adviser quits after four months

Exclusive: Catherine Howard’s exit comes amid disagreements at top of government about how far to push deregulation agenda

www.theguardian.com

He's fully accepting the recommendation of an economist on nuclear planning rules - against this advisor's judgement (and risking EU ire as they wouldn't be able to do this but for Brexit) - and "asking the business secretary to apply these lessons across the entire industrial strategy."

Some of the advice Starmer is taking and pushing through?

changing rules around protected species and increasing radiation limits for those living near or working in a nuclear power plant

Yep. Fuck the environment and fuck the people.

There is no safe limit for radiation btw - it's a dose-response relationship. More = more risky.

 

[Embattle]

US puts £31bn tech ‘prosperity deal’ with Britain on ice

Pledge to invest billions in UK paused, with Washington citing lack of progress on trade barriers across pond

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

Labour slowly vying to bring about blasphemy laws back in via the back door:

Ministers finalising definition of anti-Muslim hatred

The draft definition does not include the term Islamophobia, after concerns were raised over freedom of speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Muslims are fair game as targets of ridicule for their beliefs. Just as the victims of any religions are. It's one of the most effective ways we have to demonstrate their intellectual idiocy and reconsider their position.

Whilst we're at it, we should go the other way - protecting free speech and banning the abhorrent halal practice - which would be illegal for the vast majority of the UK population. Just not muslims and jews. They get a free pass in law that allows them to hurt animals. It's disgusting and wrong, and creates a two-tier legal system in Blighty.

 

[Deebs]

Labour slowly vying to bring about blasphemy laws back in via the back door:

Ministers finalising definition of anti-Muslim hatred

The draft definition does not include the term Islamophobia, after concerns were raised over freedom of speech.

www.bbc.co.uk

Muslims are fair game as targets of ridicule for their beliefs. Just as the victims of any religions are. It's one of the most effective ways we have to demonstrate their intellectual idiocy and reconsider their position.

Whilst we're at it, we should go the other way - protecting free speech and banning the abhorrent halal practice - which would be illegal for the vast majority of the UK population. Just not muslims and jews. They get a free pass in law that allows them to hurt animals. It's disgusting and wrong, and creates a two-tier legal system in Blighty.

Welcome to North Korea v2.0.

Agree with the banning of halal practice. At least stun the animals before cruelty commences.

 

[Gwadien]

88% of halal is stunned

 

[Scouse]

88% of halal is stunned

Apologist for animal cruelty.

UK law, without religious exemption, means 100% of animals must be stunned.

As someone who kills his own animals I know exactly what that means.

Shall we open ourselves up to accusations of "antisemitism"?

100% of Kosher meat is not stunned. Stunning is prohibited. Therefore 100% of faithfully-practicing Jewry in the UK are disgusting, cruel, inhumane animal torturers, benefitting from a two-tier legal system which could see non-Jews fined or imprisoned.

There's no excuse. Both practices, born out of appeasing religious barbarism, should be banned.

 

[Gwadien]

Apologist for animal cruelty.

UK law, without religious exemption, means 100% of animals must be stunned.

As someone who kills his own animals I know exactly what that means.

Shall we open ourselves up to accusations of "antisemitism"?

100% of Kosher meat is not stunned. Stunning is prohibited. Therefore 100% of faithfully-practicing Jewry in the UK are disgusting, cruel, inhumane animal torturers, benefitting from a two-tier legal system which could see non-Jews fined or imprisoned.

There's no excuse. Both practices, born out of appeasing religious barbarism, should be banned.

Either be vegan or shut the fuck up, frankly

You have an issue with people of faith, not with cruelty to animals, absolute horse shit.

As every vegan would correctly point out to you that the vast majority of food we eat have a fucking awful life, so long as we kill them nicely? What.

 

[Scouse]

Either be vegan or shut the fuck up, frankly

Vegan diets are inherently unhealthy. To be healthy you must supplement because there are some critical things that you can only get from a non-vegan diet.

It's not inherently morally superior. Rejection of all animal products leads vegans to use more petroleum products and plastics. So, if we look closely, on both diet and the rest of the vegan lifestyle - it's clear to see there aren't moral absolutes here.

You have an issue with people of faith, not with cruelty to animals, absolute horse shit.

You're literally talking to a man who slaughters his own animals because he feels so strongly about the conditions we keep (and slaughter) our animals in that I've taken it upon myself. I fully believe I can't in good conscience continue to eat meat if I'm not prepared to do "the dirty" myself. And I do it beyond the best-practice standards of the humane slaughter association.

I don't have a problem with "people of faith". I have many friends of faith - practicing christians (including a minister), muslims, a mishmash of indian faiths and (shock!) even a jew (who won't stop banging about the kibbutz he lived on when he was a young man, but he's aligned with me on Gaza).

I do have a problem with the religions. Christianity, Islam, Judaeism and frankly all the other bullshit ideas. Bhuddism is at fault for some of the most violent crimes of recent times. But if they want to believe in sky faries (or a multi-handed elephantine patheon) then that's fine by me.

However - one of the thing I do have problem with is that they get a pass from the animal cruelty laws. That's 100% unacceptable. They should be allowed to worship however they like, but they shouldn't be able to inflict disgusting and cruel suffering because of their idiotic medieval beliefs.

As every vegan would correctly point out to you that the vast majority of food we eat have a fucking awful life, so long as we kill them nicely? What.

Not "every" vegan would say that - only fucking idiot vegans would say that. Vegans that have actual brain cells are disgusted at the way we keep most of our animals, and disgusted at the way we kill them - but vegans do advocate, very very strongly, for the minimisation of suffering.

You've said that before and tbh I think it's one of the dumbest things you believe. A moment's critical thought should fix that, but it appears not.


My animals live a fucking wonderful life btw. During the day they can go where they like, when they like. They're not penned in. And, thankfully, they choose to stay here. Probably because it's fucking great.

And when it comes to slaughter, theyre not even aware it's coming. They're not stood in a queue watching as the other animals get unceremoniously brained in front of them. Or strung up by their legs upside down on a conveyor belt and dipped into an electrified bath, which often doesn't stun them so they're evicerated alive.

And what they definitely aren't is treated like shit by religious zealots with a free pass from the laws of the land.

 

[Deebs]

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Loads of bollox
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My animals live a fucking wonderful life btw. During the day they can go where they like, when they like. They're not penned in. And, thankfully, they choose to stay here. Probably because it's fucking great.

Just wondering if you have any spare rooms at the farm, sounds wonderful and I have never stayed over in Walesland.

I take it you allow your guests to eat/shit/sleep/fuck when they want? Do you offer a pickup service from the local train station?

 

[Jupitus]

I take it you allow your guests to eat/shit/sleep/fuck when they want?

Leave the fucking animals alone, Deebs! You know what happened last time!!

 

[Scouse]

Just wondering if you have any spare rooms at the farm, sounds wonderful and I have never stayed over in Walesland.

I take it you allow your guests to eat/shit/sleep/fuck when they want? Do you offer a pickup service from the local train station?

I'm in the house, but we've not got beds yet. Will be renting out the shepherd's hut, if not this year coming then next though.

Don't really want to - but needs must ...

Walk up the hill from the station is gorgeous though. Think it's 1.2 miles. ++550ft of climbing

 

[Ormorof]

Will be renting out the shepherd's hut

By the hour?

 

[Raven]

Police forces will make arrests over intifada chants

The Metropolitan and Greater Manchester forces say they will make arrests over 'globalise the intifada' chants.

www.bbc.co.uk

Being anti-genocide is a hate crime, or something or other.

 

[Scouse]

How much "walks like a duck / quacks like a duck" do you need?

Society of Editors decries Starmer’s plan to reduce media scrutiny of No 10

Body representing news organisations says move to cut back on number of lobby briefings is deeply concerning

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

So Reform want to change 'disabled' to 'differently abled' because it'll be easier to say your child isn't disabled therefore they don't need any extra funding.

Don't get me wrong, it is ridiculous that some sen placements cost £200k a year but it's easy to see their game.

Don't get me started on taxis too, but that's a LA problem, theres people out there that can make a decent living just doing taxi school runs.

 

[Deebs]

So Reform want to change 'disabled' to 'differently abled' because it'll be easier to say your child isn't disabled therefore they don't need any extra funding.

Don't get me wrong, it is ridiculous that some sen placements cost £200k a year but it's easy to see their game.

Don't get me started on taxis too, but that's a LA problem, theres people out there that can make a decent living just doing taxi school runs.

Let me guess men will be called pokers and women called fires under new Reform rules?

 

[Tom]

So Reform want to change 'disabled' to 'differently abled' because it'll be easier to say your child isn't disabled therefore they don't need any extra funding.

Don't get me wrong, it is ridiculous that some sen placements cost £200k a year but it's easy to see their game.

Don't get me started on taxis too, but that's a LA problem, theres people out there that can make a decent living just doing taxi school runs.

They're missing the point. Often it isn't a persons disability that disables them, it's how society caters for their needs that's the disabling factor. A good example is lack of a ramp. Or a heavily-sprung gate. Or something as simple and widespread as there still being no ban no pavement parking.

Reform don't care about disabled people. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they refer to them as "The disabled".

 

[Scouse]

To play devils advocate - we've taken disability access to extremes. The NPA in the Lakes and Snowdonia has been justifying trashing natural mountain paths in the name of disability access hell there's been a push to put a disabled access path up Helvellyn ffs.

So there absolutely is a point about going crazy far in catering to disability - and to (horribly) over medicalising/diagnosing.

@Gwadien's point about £200,000 pa funding for sen students - when average per annum funding for a pupil is £8200. How far do and should you go? Double? Triple? Quadruple?

How much is fair?

To @Tom's point - what we absolutely should be doing is ensuring disability access in towns though. I don't understand why we've not done that when we're spunking cash elsewhere.

 

[Gwadien]

They're missing the point. Often it isn't a persons disability that disables them, it's how society caters for their needs that's the disabling factor. A good example is lack of a ramp. Or a heavily-sprung gate. Or something as simple and widespread as there still being no ban no pavement parking.

Reform don't care about disabled people. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they refer to them as "The disabled".

For context - it was all about SEND funding in schools - not wider disability needs.

To play devils advocate - we've taken disability access to extremes. The NPA in the Lakes and Snowdonia has been justifying trashing natural mountain paths in the name of disability access hell there's been a push to put a disabled access path up Helvellyn ffs.

So there absolutely is a point about going crazy far in catering to disability - and to (horribly) over medicalising/diagnosing.

@Gwadien's point about £200,000 pa funding for sen students - when average per annum funding for a pupil is £8200. How far do and should you go? Double? Triple? Quadruple?

How much is fair?

To @Tom's point - what we absolutely should be doing is ensuring disability access in towns though. I don't understand why we've not done that when we're spunking cash elsewhere.

Fundamentality, the issue comes from the private sector battering the public purse, people don't kick too much off a fuss because so many people benefit financially from it, but don't seem to make the connection that it's their taxes that pay for it.

I've seen SEN schools where staff outnumber the kids, schools of like 20 kids with multiple members of senior leadership who are on 60k+ which doesn't make sense in my book but it appears local authorities don't have much choice thanks to academisation, where again specialist equipment is ridiculously expensive.

I'd advocate for more funding for mainstream education (which also includes the majority of SEN kids) and less for extreme cases SEN, frankly I find it bizarre that we force severely disabled kids through a largely meaningless and very fucking expensive 'education' for no real purpose, I'd rather give £100k a year to the parents to give the kids the best possible life experiences they can have.

I'll give you an example of the issues with SEN and mainstream - I teach a girl who's 14 and can't spell her own name, but there isn't the funding for her to get 1 to 1 support so I end up spending the majority of my time sat with her so she does 'something' at the detriment to the 29 other students in the room. Other kids get 1 to 1 support (which they legally should do) but only really if their parents push for it, if parents aren't interested the kids are largely ignored.

Oh, and don't get me started on the TAs earning £14k a year yet we expect quality.

Reform, but not that Reform.

 

[Scouse]

For context - it was all about SEND funding in schools - not wider disability needs.



Fundamentality, the issue comes from the private sector battering the public purse, people don't kick too much off a fuss because so many people benefit financially from it, but don't seem to make the connection that it's their taxes that pay for it.

I've seen SEN schools where staff outnumber the kids, schools of like 20 kids with multiple members of senior leadership who are on 60k+ which doesn't make sense in my book but it appears local authorities don't have much choice thanks to academisation, where again specialist equipment is ridiculously expensive.

I'd advocate for more funding for mainstream education (which also includes the majority of SEN kids) and less for extreme cases SEN, frankly I find it bizarre that we force severely disabled kids through a largely meaningless and very fucking expensive 'education' for no real purpose, I'd rather give £100k a year to the parents to give the kids the best possible life experiences they can have.

I'll give you an example of the issues with SEN and mainstream - I teach a girl who's 14 and can't spell her own name, but there isn't the funding for her to get 1 to 1 support so I end up spending the majority of my time sat with her so she does 'something' at the detriment to the 29 other students in the room. Other kids get 1 to 1 support (which they legally should do) but only really if their parents push for it, if parents aren't interested the kids are largely ignored.

Oh, and don't get me started on the TAs earning £14k a year yet we expect quality.

Reform, but not that Reform.

Those schools can get tae fuck. But also the idea that we give parents 100k a gear can get to fuck too.

A little extra help, not life transformative sums of money the rest of the country could only dream of.

 

[Gwadien]

Those schools can get tae fuck. But also the idea that we give parents 100k a gear can get to fuck too.

A little extra help, not life transformative sums of money the rest of the country could only dream of.

My line was 'I'd rather' not we should.

I do also think that if parents of severe sen kids were honest, they like schools due to respite, not because of education quality.

 

[Scouse]

The pigs acting in defiance of the courts, and the Labour government introducing yet more anti-protest laws:

Met using outdated powers to police pro-Palestine protests, say legal experts

Lawyers argue ‘cumulative disruption’ regulations were quashed in May and should therefore not be used

www.theguardian.com