To the real soloers out there

[Stallker]

is it fair for me to fight someone, have a rr9 scout add and then have you add too stallker? i dont think so, if anything is rpfarming its that. how the hell can you farm rps in agramon? its just groups fighting groups there.

rpfarming would be camping a bridge in instarvr with lots and lots of mages, or farming whatever people that don't run in opted groups. and trust me, they don't go agramon

Ye when u get bout 3 rps per kill? can hardly call that rp farming tbh,

and no its not fair but its part of the game its called Realm v Realm for a reason

 

[Gear]

To summarise what I believe about this whole thing and why I (notice, I, not saying that you have to agree with this opinion) think it is a bad idea is:

1) Having solo fights in an area where there is an unwriten code to which people abide that means no adding, no 1v2 or 1v3 in my opinion takes away most of the pleasure of soloing. There is nothing better fighting one after another and managing to get on top of it. This is what constitutes solo fun.

2) Knowing where to go and having a sense of security from getting ganked diminishes the pleasure of soloing.

3) The best fights I've had and the best videos I've seen are by people fighting multiple enemies and coming out on top. Otherwise the whole game would be style-reactionary-style blah blah blah.

Then again I understand why people want such a thing happening. Porting in NF along with boats, have taken away running routes which were great places to have fights away from hot zones. No more Sauvage Svasud and DL camping to get outgoing enemies. Now you just have to fight where the heat is or not at all.

Still tho, hot spots are moving daily. Try to see the waypoints on the map, it's not that difficult to realise where you're likely to find people that try to get from point A to point B.

I guess that the spirit of the game is changing. People feel more like having a counter-strike environment than a rpg one. This in a way takes something off the game for me. Having people not adding on my fights would take away some gaming pleasure as I wouldn't have to look behind my back. Having people not ganking me solo would again derive some fun as I wouldn't have to use the terrain to remain out of sight or to rest etc.

I'm not saying you have to go along with this, you don't have to agree at all but that's how I see it.

And if someone cares so much for RPs which is just a digital counter instead of playing this game for the fun of it... well, I guess that's why we have the "sad individual" term.


PS: Defo, there is no talk about RP farming between the individuals participating in the solo zone. I would assume that the average rp/hour would be at about 3k to 5k or something, hence no mention of that, just want to make it clear tho.

 

[Corran]

easy would have been deleting the wiz and rerolling a lock... i am sure it would not have taken me over 3.5 years of real time to hit rr10.

outnumbering is a good tactic. it`s a MMorpg, not an instanced rpg.

Edit.. i went on and rambled alot.. oops ;p

It a good tactic if all you care about is winning, but that is not what the solo crowd are about.

The solo crowd care about a CHALLANGE and a GOOD FIGHT. Not about, omg look i can run up to someone fighting 5 people and help kill him.. Fun meights!!!!!!

Not saying this is what you do (mind you you broke my theurg mezz on a fg that i tried to solo. Did kill one before you came in to pbaoe ) but this is where people that like the zerg playstyle differ to the solo person (Want it easy - which zerging is when it 8vs1, 20 vs 8 etc - been there done that, used to have hibs calling my alliance teh Corran's Army of Doom because we zerged the fuck out of anyone in HW in OF )

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With that said you got to understand that I have got a very good overview of all playstyles... I solo'd my merc to rr5 before he hit 50. Was taking out buffed level 50 fully kitted out assasins at lvl 44 while unbuffed. Great challange that was. This was like 3 years ago I enjoyed the challange.

I played in a Roleplay guild (if you can call it that, but that nothing i will get in to). So I know what the very casual player is like in RvR.

I played in a realm defence alliance, even organised defending and keep retakes, helping people lead them with advice in background, helping lead relic raids/defence with my input to them. (Note, I let people that I knew others listen to, to be the voice and ran in background doing other things needed)

I played in RvR guild. Actually i played in various ones and also grouped up as replacement for people in GG's when needed (likes of SotL, PE, Outcasts etc included in these)


So as you can see i have got knowledge of each form of RvR. And understand many peoples mentality that play in each form. Not all are the same but you can pretty much sum them up easily.

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So basically, this is nothing to do with RP's. It is far from it. I was on 3k/hr on my tic last night. Could get 10k/hr if I was part of a zerg - 15k/hr on theurg there (or more), or if my connection was ok I could go run with a GG and get 25k/hr on my theurg.

It isnt about ruining others fun (we keep far away from places people normally go). We keep to ourselves mainly and deal with problems with the community ourselves. If people are giving out abuse then let us know who it was and we look into it.. I do not know if this has happened yet because only time a fg came zerging us was when I wasnt playing (1st night)

And it isnt about pre-arranged duels. It just about paying respect to a playstyle. We see a fight, we dont add. We see someone win a fight and be on low health, we do not kill them- we let them heal up then fight.

If you see someone on full health (some happy with near full health) and not in a fight you attack them. You dont have to /bow and /beckon and all that. Some do but not all. It depends on the player, but in general we try to keep to the idea of trying to jump your opponent as you would if hunting anywhere else.

So though this may not be an instanced RPG and is a MMORPG, it is still a game that is what YOU make of it. And some of us decided that we want a test of personal skills within the scope of your melee class in a 1vs1 environment

 

[Neffneff]

great post corran.

 

[Zoia]

To summarise what I believe about this whole thing and why I (notice, I, not saying that you have to agree with this opinion) think it is a bad idea is:

1) Having solo fights in an area where there is an unwriten code to which people abide that means no adding, no 1v2 or 1v3 in my opinion takes away most of the pleasure of soloing. There is nothing better fighting one after another and managing to get on top of it. This is what constitutes solo fun.

2) Knowing where to go and having a sense of security from getting ganked diminishes the pleasure of soloing.

3) The best fights I've had and the best videos I've seen are by people fighting multiple enemies and coming out on top. Otherwise the whole game would be style-reactionary-style blah blah blah.

I agree with you that that is part of what makes soloing fun, at least for my skald.
That's why i haven't brought my skald to the solo zone yet, but only used my zerker(and valkyrie some, but that sucked).
At rr5, ML8, with no IP or purge, stealth or speed, my zerker have to go to empty places or wait till late evenings after most people logs to have any fun soloing.
I have little chance of winning against more than 1 with my zerker, so for me, this is great.

Now i can have a really good chance of getting some nice 1on1 fights primetime.
I no longer have to stay up till 4-5am because i want to solo with my zerker.

 

[Cylian]

Spoiler

To summarise what I believe about this whole thing and why I (notice, I, not saying that you have to agree with this opinion) think it is a bad idea is:

1) Having solo fights in an area where there is an unwriten code to which people abide that means no adding, no 1v2 or 1v3 in my opinion takes away most of the pleasure of soloing. There is nothing better fighting one after another and managing to get on top of it. This is what constitutes solo fun.

2) Knowing where to go and having a sense of security from getting ganked diminishes the pleasure of soloing.

3) The best fights I've had and the best videos I've seen are by people fighting multiple enemies and coming out on top. Otherwise the whole game would be style-reactionary-style blah blah blah.

Then again I understand why people want such a thing happening. Porting in NF along with boats, have taken away running routes which were great places to have fights away from hot zones. No more Sauvage Svasud and DL camping to get outgoing enemies. Now you just have to fight where the heat is or not at all.

Still tho, hot spots are moving daily. Try to see the waypoints on the map, it's not that difficult to realise where you're likely to find people that try to get from point A to point B.

I guess that the spirit of the game is changing. People feel more like having a counter-strike environment than a rpg one. This in a way takes something off the game for me. Having people not adding on my fights would take away some gaming pleasure as I wouldn't have to look behind my back. Having people not ganking me solo would again derive some fun as I wouldn't have to use the terrain to remain out of sight or to rest etc.

I'm not saying you have to go along with this, you don't have to agree at all but that's how I see it.

And if someone cares so much for RPs which is just a digital counter instead of playing this game for the fun of it... well, I guess that's why we have the "sad individual" term.


PS: Defo, there is no talk about RP farming between the individuals participating in the solo zone. I would assume that the average rp/hour would be at about 3k to 5k or something, hence no mention of that, just want to make it clear tho.

rep worthy!

most people seem to follow the "Path of Teh RP!", whatever you do, if you win you're doing something horribly wrong for the spirit of the game!

Funny thing happened yesterday. Was stalking around Occassus Bridge yesterday, find an infil on the bridge, kill him and climb up to the top of the bridge to heal up. Then a RR3 Merc saw that, came up ...and died. Sat down near a ladder and started healing up again. Another infil climbs up, couldn't hit him (ladder-lag) first and got perfed. Fine, drop a PS, jump down, climb up on the other side and let the poisons wear him down some. Killed him when he climbed up after me. Died to the 3rd infil afterwards
Never came back to full health during those fights.

Funny thing about that is what came on IRC afterwards

- you only win by adding (there were only albs beside me at the time)
- you're pathetic for a RR10
- you run like a girl (...someone should take a closer look at my toon <cough>)
- you sure didn't get that realm rank by stand up fights

stuff like that makes me smile

or the mercs that blow charge, battler, dirty tricks ... and then wonder why I vanish

 

[pjuppe]

To summarise what I believe about this whole thing and why I (notice, I, not saying that you have to agree with this opinion) think it is a bad idea is:

1) Having solo fights in an area where there is an unwriten code to which people abide that means no adding, no 1v2 or 1v3 in my opinion takes away most of the pleasure of soloing. There is nothing better fighting one after another and managing to get on top of it. This is what constitutes solo fun.

2) Knowing where to go and having a sense of security from getting ganked diminishes the pleasure of soloing.

3) The best fights I've had and the best videos I've seen are by people fighting multiple enemies and coming out on top. Otherwise the whole game would be style-reactionary-style blah blah blah.

Then again I understand why people want such a thing happening. Porting in NF along with boats, have taken away running routes which were great places to have fights away from hot zones. No more Sauvage Svasud and DL camping to get outgoing enemies. Now you just have to fight where the heat is or not at all.

Still tho, hot spots are moving daily. Try to see the waypoints on the map, it's not that difficult to realise where you're likely to find people that try to get from point A to point B.

I guess that the spirit of the game is changing. People feel more like having a counter-strike environment than a rpg one. This in a way takes something off the game for me. Having people not adding on my fights would take away some gaming pleasure as I wouldn't have to look behind my back. Having people not ganking me solo would again derive some fun as I wouldn't have to use the terrain to remain out of sight or to rest etc.

I'm not saying you have to go along with this, you don't have to agree at all but that's how I see it.

And if someone cares so much for RPs which is just a digital counter instead of playing this game for the fun of it... well, I guess that's why we have the "sad individual" term.


PS: Defo, there is no talk about RP farming between the individuals participating in the solo zone. I would assume that the average rp/hour would be at about 3k to 5k or something, hence no mention of that, just want to make it clear tho.

fair enought good post, don't agree to all but still nicely put

 

[Arumos]

I like rp farming, I must be a bad guy

Altho i do give respect to people i think would/have given me it back. As far as the solo area goes, good idea just aslong as we dont loose half the enemies in other areas.

I think the conclusion to this whole discussion is that people enjoy different parts of the game the problem is people actually accepting this, but alas I can't see this happening.

 

[atos]

What si the status of this idea?

 

[Gahn]

What si the status of this idea?

Working as intended m8

 

[Muylaetrix]

It a good tactic if all you care about is winning, but that is not what the solo crowd are about.

and what are the solo crowd trying to do in a MMorpg except for trying to beat the odds ? being masochist and whining XXX ?

 

[atos]

Working as intended m8

Strong, making account now. I expect to have full access tomorrow!

 

[Raven]

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awsome post, exactly what we are trying to say, and have been for a long time. well put.

 

[Raven]

and what are the solo crowd trying to do in a MMorpg except for trying to beat the odds ? being masochist and whining XXX ?

your an idiot, go away.

 

[andeh]

and what are the solo crowd trying to do in a MMorpg except for trying to beat the odds ? being masochist and whining XXX ?

i'll hazard a guess and say they're looking to fight other people 1 on 1 which generally requires more focus than running with 3 other fgs, where you can prolly watch eastenders and still gain rps and have 'fun' watching your rp counter tick up.

for example if you press the wrong button/ make a different mistake when solo it might mean you lose when you could have won, if your in a zerg spamming shields on yourself when you should be f8 nuking its not gonna make much difference. Not sure if i've said what I intended to here but someone should understand

 

[Muylaetrix]

your an idiot, go away.

:touch:

 

[Muylaetrix]

So though this may not be an instanced RPG and is a MMORPG, it is still a game that is what YOU make of it. And some of us decided that we want a test of personal skills within the scope of your melee class in a 1vs1 environment

a very nice post....

i agree on most.

but still.

if you don`t want adds and test your skill...

go duel a realm mate.

 

[Pirkel]

See this is the problem with you guys... it's exactly the same with the 8 vs 8 crowd.

Your idea's aren't that bad... everybody could see the benifits of having a solo zone, an 8 vs 8 zone and have the rest of the game free for all...

However you have such enormously crap PR that it will never catch on.

Gahn is really trying to do something here, trying to build something. But as soon as someone objects or asks for clarification some elite morons come work on their postcount by slagging them off with no arguments what so ever.

Way to go guys ... really.

 

[Zoia]

We've had threads here for the last weeks, where people are asking "what FGs are going to Agramon tonight?".
I've never bothered to read those threads as i rarely play in FGs, but i don't mind if the FGs have a place to play and fight eachother.
Some of them even have an unwritten rule that says you shouldn't add.

The well balanced FGs can ask this question on a public forum like FH, because they aren't too worried about people that are out to ruin there fights.
Who would say "OMG, FGs going to agramon tonight meights. lets go and gank them, loLz!!", then gather a zerg to go and ruin the fights for those groups?
Doesn't happen!

However, if someone here on FH says: "Let's have a soloers night in Pennine!"
100% sure that some ***** will come with a small group to ruin the soloer's fun.
That's why we need our own forum and to keep the places as secret as possible.
We just want the same as those FGs in Agramon wants, except that we prefer to fight alone.


As for your suggestion about duelling a realm mate, Muyl, that's just not the same, is it?
You're just beginning to ask stupid questions now.
It looks like this is really getting to you. How can it be such a fucking problem for you, that _maybe_ 5-6 people from each realm, if that, are having some solo fights at primetime?

 

[Pirkel]

There we go again

 

[Fenderon]

a very nice post....

i agree on most.

but still.

if you don`t want adds and test your skill...

go duel a realm mate.

I can't!

40% of my skill is in the poisonspike.. and if I dump it in a duel it ends

 

[Raven]

There we go again

it has been explained rather well to Muylaetrix several times in plain english, we are not breaking the coc, as said by a GM, so long as we dont arrange duels, which i have seen no evidence of. we are not RP farming, we are just getting the chance to play the game the way we want to. He doesnt like this, he is beginning to sound like a broken record, he is entitled to his opinion but he is wrong to say that we should play the game the way he likes to play. this is an mmo, you get what you want out of it, barring breach of the coc there are no restrictions on how you get entertainment from the game.

i get the feeling a few people are a bit bitter they cant ruin our fun quite as easy anymore

 

[toxii]

corran pretty much sums it up really, liked his post ^^

so take your pick , scout, pala or minstrel, since i cant come with cleric BASTARDS!

 

[Bracken]

There we go again

I thought Zoia put it quite well actually - he wasn't flaming, just explaining it

 

[Gamah]

The "non fg crowd" have forever piped on that people should be able to play the game how they like. However now soloers are finally taking a stand and doing something to ensure they can play how they like the "non fg" crowd are suddenly telling people how to play.

It pains me to see people renowned for adding flaming on here, accusing soloers of being "RP Farmers". Simple facts are soloing gets you like 4/5k an hour..you would make 10-15k/hour camping a bridge with the zerg. Soloers want 1v1s not to rpt farm, but to test their reactions and class against another..people that have never soloed a day in their daoc lives would not understand it and seem to be showing their ignorance in blinding glory on these forums.

I applaud Gahn for taking the time and effort to make this happen and I think once we get rid of the spy's it will work very well, people just need to stick with it.

 

[Corran]

The "non fg crowd" have forever piped on that people should be able to play the game how they like. However now soloers are finally taking a stand and doing something to ensure they can play how they like the "non fg" crowd are suddenly telling people how to play.

It pains me to see people renowned for adding flaming on here, accusing soloers of being "RP Farmers". Simple facts are soloing gets you like 4/5k an hour..you would make 10-15k/hour camping a bridge with the zerg. Soloers want 1v1s not to rpt farm, but to test their reactions and class against another..people that have never soloed a day in their daoc lives would not understand it and seem to be showing their ignorance in blinding glory on these forums.

I applaud Gahn for taking the time and effort to make this happen and I think once we get rid of the spy's it will work very well, people just need to stick with it.

Heh, wish i got that much, lucky to get 1.5k an hour because im a gimp And most rp's i do get is from some dock camping n00b that attacks when i try getting boat

 

[xxManiacxx]

I remember in OF when I was dipleased if I got under 12k/hour

Now I am happy if I get over 5k/h

 

[pjuppe]

Heh, wish i got that much, lucky to get 1.5k an hour because im a gimp And most rp's i do get is from some dock camping n00b that attacks when i try getting boat

i wish i could get as much as that tired it out last night for the first time with my skald. logged after about 1.5 hours in total and only killed 1 cleric although i had a blast and i will return as soon as possilbe

 

[Azathrim]

Yeah, tried it out yesterday too... was fun.

Although strange how hibs only bring RR6+ heros, bm's and vampiirs. Would be interesting to fight something else, especially as the win ratio on those are 1/5 (ie... need all tools up and them to have all down).

 

[Gahn]

Yeah, tried it out yesterday too... was fun.

Although strange how hibs only bring RR6+ heros, bm's and vampiirs. Would be interesting to fight something else, especially as the win ratio on those are 1/5 (ie... need all tools up and them to have all down).

In fact u won some as i can recall
No worries gonna come out soon with my shade too