Prydwen RvR

[gwal]

Originally posted by Xeanor
well try proving the opposite? it will just be an opinion too.

also called "falsificatie"

try having PE play on a server with good grp´s to fight?

I have yet to see a single grp that any high RR grp shouldnt be able to wipe out, whether its PE, or a random grp of high RR ppl.
I have seen abselutely nothing that impresses me about prydwen rvr capabilities, and so far, I have not seen anything that supports some ppl´s idea that prydwen players are better than excal, I can mention numerous excal grp´s and guilds that does far better on the battlefield than anything I have seen so far on prydwen.

 

[fayle]

Nerf infiltrators plz.

 

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by gwal
try having PE play on a server with good grp´s to fight?

I have yet to see a single grp that any high RR grp shouldnt be able to wipe out, whether its PE, or a random grp of high RR ppl.
I have seen abselutely nothing that impresses me about prydwen rvr capabilities, and so far, I have not seen anything that supports some ppl´s idea that prydwen players are better than excal, I can mention numerous excal grp´s and guilds that does far better on the battlefield than anything I have seen so far on prydwen.

have you ever seen PE in action?

Some ppl went from Prydwen to Excal and do there pretty well
and they don't play easy mode

Difference between Excal an Prydwen is the number of ppl in RvR
Thats why NP / JH makes 600-800K a week with fotm groups and the BO / Everzerg / BaF only 200-300K

Originally posted by fayle
Nerf infiltrators plz.

wow you need an IQ of 130 to come up with that?

since your listed mains are healer with 300-ish K which should be grouped and a 20K rp warrior i doubt you seen a lot of infils in RvR

 

[old.Hardbein]

Originally posted by old.windforce
Everzerg

 

[old.windforce]

Originally posted by old.Hardbein

just kidding

ever-last, could be: always latest to add

 

[Xeanor]

Originally posted by gwal
try having PE play on a server with good grp´s to fight?

I have yet to see a single grp that any high RR grp shouldnt be able to wipe out, whether its PE, or a random grp of high RR ppl.
I have seen abselutely nothing that impresses me about prydwen rvr capabilities, and so far, I have not seen anything that supports some ppl´s idea that prydwen players are better than excal, I can mention numerous excal grp´s and guilds that does far better on the battlefield than anything I have seen so far on prydwen.

you are clueless

 

[chiefbootknocka]

pryd was to easy

 

[Zarmin]

??

Originally posted by old.windforce

Difference between Excal an Prydwen is the number of ppl in RvR
Thats why NP / JH makes 600-800K a week with fotm groups and the BO / Everzerg / BaF only 200-300K

??

u meant NP/JK 6-8 Mil per week
Bo and Co 2-3 Mil per week maybe?

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by gwal
try having PE play on a server with good grp´s to fight?

I have yet to see a single grp that any high RR grp shouldnt be able to wipe out, whether its PE, or a random grp of high RR ppl.
I have seen abselutely nothing that impresses me about prydwen rvr capabilities, and so far, I have not seen anything that supports some ppl´s idea that prydwen players are better than excal, I can mention numerous excal grp´s and guilds that does far better on the battlefield than anything I have seen so far on prydwen.

You haven't ran into a PE/SOTL/FL group yet....and i can't wait to see you do so.Another load of server generalising shite

 

[Maleg_Grumpton]

Re: ??

Originally posted by Zarmin
??

u meant NP/JK 6-8 Mil per week
Bo and Co 2-3 Mil per week maybe?

No he means individual players in those Guilds earn 600k - 800k RP per week.

 

[faderullan]

They dont. Maybe one week every century. And its easier get rp on excal compared to prydwen.

 

[opoc]

Originally posted by caldor78

Is it really that hard to make a group that can compete with the opposing in emain? If it is, why don't you just ZERG around with all you got.

I know for hibs that you need 2-3 times more hibs than mid guild group in numbers to win ( normal hib groups i mean not high rr etc ) so that is hard, and if we try zerg with all we got its about 2fg at a push :/

 

[Jenna.]

imo et >> daoc

 

[old.windforce]

Re: ??

Originally posted by Zarmin
??

u meant NP/JK 6-8 Mil per week
Bo and Co 2-3 Mil per week maybe?

the top chars

 

[Shanaia]

Originally posted by sweeft
My only hope now is that you guys will just get bored to death and either leave or change the way you play. Give the game back to players please, not to some professional players caring more about winning and destroying other players the fastest possible than having a good fight. While I understand that your fun is just to do that, your fun is ruining everyone else's fun and that's why you guys are wrong here.

My biggest fear is that the exact opposite will happen ... I've seen people who had "diverted" to PvE/roleplaying over the past few months quit the game ... and on the other side I just see more fotm perfectly balanced groups walking around emain ...

When all the "casual" players have left the game there will still be fotm perfectly balanced RvR groups in Emain

 

[Jergiot]

hum imo, there are more good grps on alb/excal then on alb/pryd.
now wich grps are better i dont know nor care tbh.

on mid/pryd there are more "good" grps (read overpowered) then on mid/excal. and again, wich are better i dont know or care^^. i got better things to do then compare guilds left and right...

hib/excal makes hib/pryd QQ alot tho :|


ps. hi remi u tard^^

edit: btw think its fucking retarded that ppl fight about these things tbh x[

 

[gwal]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
You haven't ran into a PE/SOTL/FL group yet....and i can't wait to see you do so.Another load of server generalising shite

I did say so far, now go prove me wrong

 

[old.mattshanes]

Well of course there is, look big the population of alb excal is compared to alb pryd, but like you said no one cares anyway, all i know once you meet alb's best groups here you certainly will have a tough fight, which hasn't happened much lately due to most of them being inactive or playing rarely, maybe due to do boredom i don't know.

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Well of course there is, look big the population of alb excal is compared to alb pryd, but like you said no one cares anyway, all i know once you meet alb's best groups here you certainly will have a tough fight, which hasn't happened much lately due to most of them being inactive or playing rarely, maybe due to do boredom i don't know.

im counting on it^^ tough fights=fun

 

[klavrynd]

been some time since we had a strong flamthread like this

first up some general remarks

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heh, kinda funny how albs and hibs use the word . am i the only one to remember the abundance of smiteclerics (smite stun pbaemezz 4tehwin?) and chanters, some patches later thrustinfs, and to a lesser extent mercs and sorcs ( really, how many sorcs did you see before their boost?)

asdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasdasd

this seems to be the new generation whine . Let's not forget bards have instalul * 2 , and light chanters get asd and ae-asd ( new fotm after debuff nerf?)

wajn wajn , stop using savages and healers and you might get more fights

hah, right, let's make a non-optimal group . Faroer islands are only playing brazil if they romario, ronaldo and the other good players don't play with them (my football knowledge is very small, but you get my point)

i can't remeber telling hibs or albs (as a realm) that mids would not come to rvr if they didnt use chanters, mercs, or whatever overpowered ra they had.

winning isn't everything , it's the only thing

Alb need's minstrel's and ther part of the core of an alb grp, a savage is NOT.

how exactly? speed? speed isn't mandatory judging by the average whine because fotmgroups don't take skalds . mezz ? you have mezz on sorcs so that's taken care off , other then that they're a lousy damage dealer with some utility .

Oh wait a minute, maybe it's SOS you need, and imo (and probably most people) sos is overpowered as fuck , so you want an overpowered component , just as savages are

<snip> it's not a case of trying another realm because 90% of mids run savages lately <snip>

it's because they're the best class, skalds are borked, thanes .... hah , and zerkers have nothing over a warrior

Another thing that really annoys me is that you are killing the RvR casual playing of this game and don't tell me it's Mythic fault again, assume the burden, nobody's forcing you to play like that.

same thing again, why wouldn't you try to build the best possible team? in this "thing' , it's a perfect reflection of reality : the best (trained) team will allways trample the lesser team. Casual players should not have a chance vs people who dedicate most if not all their free time to something, trying to be the best

losing isn't fun

That's the key point "high rr"

bollocks, most alb uber ra's are very easy to get get, as is det for the tanks

a group of good players with lower rr will (imo) kill a bunch of higher rr randoms easily (really, how hard is it to get rr5?)

The way i see it is. Mid are killing emain off themselfs.

read above, mids were allways there, even when hibs and albs were superiour

Primarily because stealthers are great at soloing and there are always other stealthers out and about doing there thing.

hahahahahahahahaahahah
seriously, when was the last time you ever saw a solo stealther? i can count them on one hand when i think back at the previous 6-9 months

such a nice attitude, nerf the others, gif all to us.....

have you even looked at the last few patches? nothing other then mid nerfs because of the crying alb and hib mass on vnboards . they want "balance" so badly, but let nobody touch one of their classes and especially not their ra's

First of all I totally agree with Klavrynd and Matt...

i seem to have lost my touch, people agree with me far too much

he problem is our cc char is dead in every fight, so its no fun for sorcs to play rvr -> there will be no sorcs soon

do you care? either you add with pe, making the fight uneven, or travel around with your stealthzerg

d00d you play fotmgard, be happy that you find any grp you can wtfpwn, but dont whine for more plz. ty

and some people give me crap....

if fotms not stoping this shit (1 fotm did 80% dmg to my sorc against caped resists... and that wasnt MA train that was only 1 lonely fomt) there will be very few active sorcerors/casters in albion/hibernia, couse its not fun to be asd/tauntshout interrupted and rapped into pieces in less then 3seconds after the start of the fight

yep it's really fun running with "on par with alb and hib" melee classes to see your damage getting reduced to zero due to bof/ap34tehwin afbuf and mincer abla, or the same thing with casters and boad

live with it

Mid overpowered? Never!

seen menta's and thane's in top 10 rpw on german/french servers, but i guess those are both overpowered classes

<snip common excal uberness qq>I can mention numerous excal grp´s and guilds that does far better on the battlefield than anything I have seen so far on prydwen.

someone will have to translate this "de beste stuurlui staan aan wal"

go back to excal if it's so much better there

 

[old.mattshanes]

Klav please tell me how you beat a savage group with 4 savages 3 healers 1 shaman at rr1-rr5?

That's all i was saying, i am sure it's the same for mids, if low rr mid group faces PE they may aswell log.

 

[klavrynd]

bof - sos offcourse

 

[faderullan]

Such a long reply by klav and he managed to say nothing constructive.

 

[skar_ironfist]

I can understand the frustration that the Hibs and Albs feel about getting Steam Rollered by BO, Everlast, Maelstrom etc. I been on receiving end of PE (fader...., Dreami etc), NP and others before them, who make your hps disappear so quick you think its magic trick. If you see them coming, it was just a case of save your purge, and go to Odins/HW.

If some people are hoping that 1.67 will crucify the Savage and restore the balance, then I wouldn't get your hopes up. By the time it arrives over here. The healers/shaman of these Mid Guilds will be of a very high rank (Most already are). With all the abilities that go with that rank. If you look at Everlast, they run with 1 Savage, so they swap for a warrior, how long will it before hes back up in the high RRs.

As frustrating as it is for Hibs and Albs, its also the same for Mids as well, if you aren't in the right guild, or have the right characters, the rps can be very low and be very hard work. How many mid casters do you see around now ? Only reason I rolled a BD, was to have a chance to solo Or play the graveyard shift from 12 - 2am. My Runie only comes out on his birthday or other special occasions.

The reason that you see people camp APK, is that the uber groups will not. Which means that you have a chance to have a fight maybe earn a few rps, before the APK zerg rolls over you OR you trigger to many guards . A zerg which by camping APK you have created. If you are a normal mid and you move around or stop at AMG. You will always be at the wrong place, seeing DS from one elses group flow through your text window.

I saw a comment about BO, Everlast adding. I actually don't think thats always fair. With them all running at SKALD+SPRINT, they can be fair distance from a fight and come across the fight in their normal travels. There are number of choke points in the game, where fights will break out. Anyway I can't imagine them wanting to share the rps with each other

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by faderullan
Such a long reply by klav and he managed to say nothing constructive.

Klavrynd: Lots to say but fuck worth listening to.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Mid's should give casters groups more of a try, i have been playing in an alb pbaoe group with ilum lately, ok we aren't the best or experts at it at the moment but it's been damn fun and we have had some good fights

Warders old group afterall was very good wasn't it?oO and midget mafia do well... so...

Maelstrom(think that's how it's spelt) tried a caster group and did ok was nice to see a change but was a shame it was 3 bd's in it

Remove /assist from daoc and the game will be more fun for casters and remove resist buffs.

 

[cHodAX]

They don't need /assist to target your fat arse matt, they can spot your bulbous figure from outer space

 

[skar_ironfist]

Matt,

With determination so cheap (& it is), tanks from all realms are pretty much unstoppable for any significant amount of time.

Therefore the one thing that a caster needs he doesn't have, which is room. Since only with space can the cast with out fear of interruption. With their armour being armour in name only. I see no reason to put a caster in a melee group, when you can have a 2 handed whirling death machine (ie Savage) who can't be interrupted.

SM's have a little bit more flexiability with there pets intercepting (Especially when buffed with alot of DEX). But if you made it so a Supp SM couldn't be interrupted, then they would be unstoppable monster. With only alb/hib tanks having to run away from the Supp SMs.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yeah determination is really over the top at the moment, no stopping savages on my wizzie's ass :/, but i would love it if they fixed the interupt system before anything, i have had times when 1 nuke can take 7 seconds to cast :/

I got a feeling determination and prevent flight both will get nerfed, but not a lot, there's shitloads of whining on vn boards about them for a while now.Heh i pbaoe'd a bad omen member 340(-400s) this week.... so resist buffs need removing aswell or lowered.

 

[louder]

Daoc quite similar to CS, Unreal now

Give Battlegrounds for Fg vs. Fg and it would be the same.

In the beginning people started playing chars they liked because of description or look..... now its played because it ownz.

U cannot go RvR and just have fun, u need perfect group setup, perfect armor set up and the whole group needs to practice their teamplay....

Thats just what Daoc is all about now.

So either one lives with this or one leaves......

I thought it is best for me to dont go Emain and play only on perhaps 3 evenings a week now.
And i watch out for anything new to come out, that can compete with Daoc and i bet if that happens loads of the casual players will leave for something else.

Just the feeling Daoc gave one in the beginning is missing. Exploring, first time in frontier etc.

But thats just a normal development in any game and i think Daoc is the game many people play/played for a damn long time now and that just prooves how good that game is/was. But time for something new now.

Just my 2 cents