most effective stealther

[Skidlee]

Having never played a NS/SB/hunter/ranger i can only comment from a alb view..

I would say Inf is the strongest no matter the target.

Its all in the spec and armor.. you want to kill SB you go slash and they drop easy, you want to kill NS easier you go thrust.

Slash has more going for it due to SB'd being weak to it rather than going thrust where you will have NS neutral to it and SB resistant to it.

Play to the classes strengths, Scouts are very underated often dismissed to the leeching roll (I do enjoy a good leech tho ) but are very strong even if you only get 1 or 2 arrows in a target you can melee down a SB/NS if yu get jumped engage beartooth and run. Its a shame i dont run and die, the 5 sec stun is enough time to get an extra arrow in but i am very lagged these days and keep getting interrupted

DirtySlash lvl24 Inf
HitandHide lvl24 Scout
Freakyblue lvl24 Cabby

 

[TriggerHappy]

tbh i dont understand why infil is takin the lead here,i've only ever seen mebbe 3 really good inf's, numerous amounts of SB's and NS's tbh i think the NS mite have the upper edge in thid, that lil DD allows them to take out duo's and trio's NP, i used to have DD charges on armor and it felt like easy mode, also as far as i can see SB's kill the most,wen playin an eld if a infil popped me i could Qc mezz, rarely is there a caster left alive after my SB hits, just due to the one hit succes of a SB i reckon they are the best,

 

[Toffie]

Im currently working on an inf trigger ... just wait and see ^^

 

[Oboy]

tbh i dont understand why infil is takin the lead here,i've only ever seen mebbe 3 really good inf's, numerous amounts of SB's and NS's tbh i think the NS mite have the upper edge in thid, that lil DD allows them to take out duo's and trio's NP, i used to have DD charges on armor and it felt like easy mode, also as far as i can see SB's kill the most,wen playin an eld if a infil popped me i could Qc mezz, rarely is there a caster left alive after my SB hits, just due to the one hit succes of a SB i reckon they are the best,

everyone dosnt run with total opted toa gear, sc armor with procs and buffed to the teeth as u are. If someone should opt a infil like that (cant see anyone who cba, its thid ffs ) they would rip ur SB apart due to more specpoints and better armortables. Specially if u are 2-handed. Then would a NS stand better chanse but will still bite the grass in the long end.

And about the PA part the differance against a 2h SB and a infil isnt that big, my slash infil had a PA cap off 416 afair. I guess a SB has something of 450+. Both are enough to 1shot or almost 1shot any unbuffed caster.

 

[Zdeath]

everyone dosnt run with total opted toa gear, sc armor with procs and buffed to the teeth as u are. If someone should opt a infil like that (cant see anyone who cba, its thid ffs ) they would rip ur SB apart due to more specpoints and better armortables. Specially if u are 2-handed. Then would a NS stand better chanse but will still bite the grass in the long end.

And about the PA part the differance against a 2h SB and a infil isnt that big, my slash infil had a PA cap off 416 afair. I guess a SB has something of 450+. Both are enough to 1shot or almost 1shot any unbuffed caster.

Bullshit buddy.

It all comes down to skill to beat an opponent, if you're telling me, some retarded Infi who was fully buffed, and sc'ed to the max, stats capped an all, with a SB with the same amount of stat cap, buffs etc and you would say if they were to fight, the Infiltrator would win? No, he wouldn't because it's pure skill. That is what it comes down to.

 

[Dorimor1]

Bullshit buddy.

It all comes down to skill to beat an opponent, if you're telling me, some retarded Infi who was fully buffed, and sc'ed to the max, stats capped an all, with a SB with the same amount of stat cap, buffs etc and you would say if they were to fight, the Infiltrator would win? No, he wouldn't because it's pure skill. That is what it comes down to.

Yep the one who spams garrote the most wins! Wooot

 

[Zdeath]

Yep the one who spams garrote the most wins! Wooot

Garrote looks ghey =/

 

[Howley]

Bullshit buddy.

It all comes down to skill to beat an opponent, if you're telling me, some retarded Infi who was fully buffed, and sc'ed to the max, stats capped an all, with a SB with the same amount of stat cap, buffs etc and you would say if they were to fight, the Infiltrator would win? No, he wouldn't because it's pure skill. That is what it comes down to.

when my NS was properly suited up (not anymore ;/) he was good...i ran unbuffed and solo...
now there was this infil that was suited up also (ffs i cant believe i cant think of his name atm he had sorc/mincer also..and i tink a merc..soz dude) but he ran buffed also...
now when we fought it was always 50-50 with us...and i loved fighting him...most respecced infil in thid in my eyes..good player/person

so its not just down to buffs guys... from my exp i started off with buffs and no suit really...was decent...then i went to full suit all capped etc..no buffs and i preferred it alot more...coz i put the effort into getting the temp and i wasnt a random that was buffed and adding on stuff...
its all about trial and error...try diff specs, suits, play style... when u know wat ur char can handle...then get 3 more weapons for poisons...few end pots and go further and own all
my 2 cents anyways

 

[MKJ]

Well I think my episodes as a stealther proved that if you were skilful you could win against the most toughest opponents. I purposely used to make myself fairly weak so the other guy had no excuse wotsoever to lose to me. Buffbots etc are interesting but you really have to base your end char on the buff boost to make it have full impact. Too much variance in Thid now for my liking. Buffs or no buffs - decent suit or not - toa or not - combination of them - where does it end? Nah drop the lot bar for a good sc suit and see how you fare then. If you can manage to kill some boofffed up char when you ain't it is a nice feeling for sure. When you can attack anything whilst as soft and squashy as my sbs were and still win tons of fights you are making a valid point I reckon. But really have to prove it too mind with films. Which I made zillions of. No comebacks then. Shuts em up good .

 

[Oboy]

Bullshit buddy.

It all comes down to skill to beat an opponent, if you're telling me, some retarded Infi who was fully buffed, and sc'ed to the max, stats capped an all, with a SB with the same amount of stat cap, buffs etc and you would say if they were to fight, the Infiltrator would win? No, he wouldn't because it's pure skill. That is what it comes down to.

first i thaught u beeing ironic then i realised u are real and made me the laugh of the day.
Pure skill in thidranki between 2 stealthers? cmon! only skill that is if one of the players get PA in otherwise its just whos best on spaming garrote and run thrue
and yes an infil will be the best stealther, i dint say they always win as there are many random factors in the game. Theres no game that comes down to pure skill, not even a fps as u always need some luck to win 1prize

 

[shazzne]

Bullshit buddy.

It all comes down to skill to beat an opponent, if you're telling me, some retarded Infi who was fully buffed, and sc'ed to the max, stats capped an all, with a SB with the same amount of stat cap, buffs etc and you would say if they were to fight, the Infiltrator would win? No, he wouldn't because it's pure skill. That is what it comes down to.

Hey well i play fully Sced/capped out infi with buffs, and I am slash. In a one to one fight ive neva found another stealther who has beat me down yet and i certainly aint no leet infi player so i vote infi all the way tbh

 

[Howley]

Well I think my episodes as a stealther proved that if you were skilful you could win against the most toughest opponents. I purposely used to make myself fairly weak so the other guy had no excuse wotsoever to lose to me. Buffbots etc are interesting but you really have to base your end char on the buff boost to make it have full impact. Too much variance in Thid now for my liking. Buffs or no buffs - decent suit or not - toa or not - combination of them - where does it end? Nah drop the lot bar for a good sc suit and see how you fare then. If you can manage to kill some boofffed up char when you ain't it is a nice feeling for sure. When you can attack anything whilst as soft and squashy as my sbs were and still win tons of fights you are making a valid point I reckon. But really have to prove it too mind with films. Which I made zillions of. No comebacks then. Shuts em up good .

m8 i seen a few of ur vids...and ok, u win...but ur left on like 20%-30% max..and u jumped him...thats not good...and the vid im mainly talking about now u were buffed so...wat u talking about squashy sb ? .. all i can see is u used buffs and had a temp on... so u tried to be rock hard...but after all that u still came out of a fight with 20% health...

ok i know my NS is shit atm coz his suit just isnt there anymore coz i gave a few m8s items...but when he was suited he could kill buffed assassins and leave on 50% ish ... ive killed duos also..and left on 20-30%

thats what makes u feel they have no come back... no buffs... solo...killing duos nps...

 

[MKJ]

m8 i seen a few of ur vids...and ok, u win...but ur left on like 20%-30% max..and u jumped him...thats not good...and the vid im mainly talking about now u were buffed so...wat u talking about squashy sb ? .. all i can see is u used buffs and had a temp on... so u tried to be rock hard...but after all that u still came out of a fight with 20% health...

ok i know my NS is shit atm coz his suit just isnt there anymore coz i gave a few m8s items...but when he was suited he could kill buffed assassins and leave on 50% ish ... ive killed duos also..and left on 20-30%

thats what makes u feel they have no come back... no buffs... solo...killing duos nps...

Well I dunno about that. Only vids I made when I was buffed was with my Valkyn Sb - PKJ. After him I never played buffed. There were hardly any films made of PKJ fighting. Most hits I ever had whilst attacking every thing that was solo was 608. Pretty squashy to me. When you think that I lasted throughout the pre-toa days and beyond when some infs ended up with over 800 hits in buffed form and slash too boot I did more than ok. As for only ending up with so and so hits after a fight I never had an crit - just axe and poison so no real benefit if I started the fight or not - 25 to 30 max damage off pillager main hand? If you ask me it makes for a much more entertaining alt. I hated crit to be honest. Never did like killing anything too quickly. Liked to give my opponents a chance so I preferred pure melee and poison. You should try it. Pretty hard setup to master - full axe - no crit and 25 poison. Try that and be unbuffed. See if you can kill anything at all. When you get good at it though - and you will need run-through - weapon swapping - kitchen sink throwing etc - it makes for a great edge of the seat setup. Oh and your opponent always has a chance if he or she knows a thing or 2.

 

[Zdeath]

Well I dunno about that. Only vids I made when I was buffed was with my Valkyn Sb - PKJ. After him I never played buffed. There were hardly any films made of PKJ fighting. Most hits I ever had whilst attacking every thing that was solo was 608. Pretty squashy to me. When you think that I lasted throughout the pre-toa days and beyond when some infs ended up with over 800 hits in buffed form and slash too boot I did more than ok. As for only ending up with so and so hits after a fight I never had an crit - just axe and poison so no real benefit if I started the fight or not - 25 to 30 max damage off pillager main hand? If you ask me it makes for a much more entertaining alt. I hated crit to be honest. Never did like killing anything too quickly. Liked to give my opponents a chance so I preferred pure melee and poison. You should try it. Pretty hard setup to master - full axe - no crit and 25 poison. Try that and be unbuffed. See if you can kill anything at all. When you get good at it though - and you will need run-through - weapon swapping - kitchen sink throwing etc - it makes for a great edge of the seat setup. Oh and your opponent always has a chance if he or she knows a thing or 2.

Wise, wise old man.

 

[Howley]

Well I dunno about that. Only vids I made when I was buffed was with my Valkyn Sb - PKJ. After him I never played buffed. There were hardly any films made of PKJ fighting. Most hits I ever had whilst attacking every thing that was solo was 608. Pretty squashy to me. When you think that I lasted throughout the pre-toa days and beyond when some infs ended up with over 800 hits in buffed form and slash too boot I did more than ok. As for only ending up with so and so hits after a fight I never had an crit - just axe and poison so no real benefit if I started the fight or not - 25 to 30 max damage off pillager main hand? If you ask me it makes for a much more entertaining alt. I hated crit to be honest. Never did like killing anything too quickly. Liked to give my opponents a chance so I preferred pure melee and poison. You should try it. Pretty hard setup to master - full axe - no crit and 25 poison. Try that and be unbuffed. See if you can kill anything at all. When you get good at it though - and you will need run-through - weapon swapping - kitchen sink throwing etc - it makes for a great edge of the seat setup. Oh and your opponent always has a chance if he or she knows a thing or 2.

Wise, wise old man.

i disagree tbh... i have been cd spec b4, and

you will need run-through

no i didnt run through...y...coz run through is lame and the only time i ran through peeps is when they started to strafe me when their buddy adder was hitting me so i ran through and killed him. altho i didnt go 25poison...was 19stealth, 21cd, 17poison, 10pierce...was alright for awhile but got bored of it, and i weapon swap on anything i do on my NS..thats only way to beat duos easy

 

[Zdeath]

i disagree tbh... i have been cd spec b4, and no i didnt run through...y...coz run through is lame and the only time i ran through peeps is when they started to strafe me when their buddy adder was hitting me so i ran through and killed him. altho i didnt go 25poison...was 19stealth, 21cd, 17poison, 10pierce...was alright for awhile but got bored of it, and i weapon swap on anything i do on my NS..thats only way to beat duos easy

Nothing wrong with run through.

It's part of movement, no?
It is easy to counter, no?
It's a nice technique to piss people off, no?

::worthy:

 

[TriggerHappy]

k im in th eit room at the mo and really bored so i thought i'd post,
i was just thinking and pls dont get all aggro wit nerdy stats but if back wen
mkj was playin with the rr2l5 rite, i pressume he used the followin spec
either aug str3 and aug con2 or vice versa,cause tbh MoS sux and we all now it,
so that would be as good as toa bonus which allows +13 to stats
so with aug con2 u would have same as toa con, and unbuffed with that
high inot poisin, as soon as u hit a stealther u are instantly dbuffin him to even lower then ur own stats and riddlin him with poisins etc so the playin field was in ur advantage not as pure str but just to out last ur opponent,
and tbh i dunno who the fuck the guy reckonin an inf could prawn a Sb, i'll have u know that i cap damage at 515+ on PA wit the shitty 430 pfft and also my garrotes hit 230+ a hit mebbe more been awhile, and i dont run buffed all the time and my toa gear is not all capped, i dont have con overcapped and my body is low so im not runnin out there as an untouchable,
and yes it does take skill, mebbe not to take out a caster at a treb but take out trio's like i've done and then come back to me,
and miek i look forward to ur Inf but no 5 sec stun and a huge hammer this time

but tbh i have been doin alot of stuff irl in the last few weeks and the game aint interestin me as much as it used to so i wont be around much, i enjoy the odd run wit invy but since my comp sux all i can really do is 1v1 in secluded areas or its lagggggggs out
but all the best and if u think that a duel is based on armor types and spec points its bull, i have ripped thru many a geared inf and ns and they me
its all about the jump

 

[Phooka]

not many play uberly opted infs cuz they r so ezmode. And not all chars out there that look opted actually are. My main char was a nightshade and i played tons of thid nightshades, i had several thid infs and infils are just simply ezer to make strong and you can tweak them more then any other stealther because of the spec points.

Blabla 2handed PA.. blabla who gets the jump.
if both start unstealthed, neither use walkthrough or strafe, both or totally opted or both in /lvl gear, who is left standing? My money is on the infil.

 

[noblok]

MKJ was 1L4.

The poison-point you make is odd as well. He specs for it, people who are buffed do not spec for their buffs. MKJ may not have been popular around these boards, but he was good at what he did: playing his sb and flame-baiting .

Also: if you want to make a damage comparison you have to take everything into account. Dual wield halves evade: +12.5% damage vs other assassins. Twohanded gives a 10-15% damage bonus (can't remember by heart) in Thidranki. Dual wield gives a 25% damage boost with 0 spec. Dual wield is faster which means that it'll perform better in general.

 

[Cemeterygates]

i remember the days of me running in thid with a shade....was good fun...i was nothin special....but goin back a wee while....one person i remember from thid....inf....brokeninfil.....was a tough cookie indeed...

 

[Konah]

i think sb is strongest cos they swing both hands all time, even at 24. ok so the LA penalty is larger at lower levels but landing both poisons reliably makes a difference, so does PA with a 6s mp drop axe :eek2:

whereas infil/ns/ranger dont dw much til 35-40+

 

[krall]

everyone dosnt run with total opted toa gear, sc armor with procs and buffed to the teeth as u are. If someone should opt a infil like that (cant see anyone who cba, its thid ffs ) they would rip ur SB apart due to more specpoints and better armortables. Specially if u are 2-handed. Then would a NS stand better chanse but will still bite the grass in the long end.

And about the PA part the differance against a 2h SB and a infil isnt that big, my slash infil had a PA cap off 416 afair. I guess a SB has something of 450+. Both are enough to 1shot or almost 1shot any unbuffed caster.

a) All SB's can use 2H...and dualw(only mids get 2H from weap spec)
b) PA cap is 513 on 2H PA(lvl24) - so thats rughly 90HP - quite a bit if u ask me
c) Yes inf's>all atm, but lets what happens in 1.82.

Cya out there.

Henning

 

[Ravencroft]

I have read this for sometime; it's now on its 4th page and as an sb, i cant say we rock, but at Thid lvl i don't think we suck. I rolled an inf with free armour and did ok, never rolled a ns.I fought full slash infs with buffs and sced (xlovex was good) but i have never seen any ns or inf that sent me home every single time, so i reckon it's the player at thid lvl, not the i win i am an inf ns.)) ps any infs ns think diff duel me

 

[Ravencroft]

I have read this for sometime; it's now on its 4th page and as an sb, i cant say we rock, but at Thid lvl i don't think we suck. I rolled an inf with free armour and did ok, never rolled a ns.I fought full slash infs with buffs and sced (xlovex was good) but i have never seen any ns or inf that sent me home every single time, so i reckon it's the player at thid lvl, not the i win i am an inf ns.)) ps any infs ns think diff duel me

6th page even my mistake

 

[Ashton]

now there was this infil that was suited up also (ffs i cant believe i cant think of his name atm he had sorc/mincer also..and i tink a merc..soz dude) but he ran buffed also...

my guess is that u are thinking of Klick/Clickhere/Klickz/Klickme (cant remember exact spellings but they are close enough to probably jog your memory)

 

[Toffie]

ps any infs ns think diff duel me

Thrust infs get a 6 sec stun after evade in thidranki... versus other stealthers that have no stun at all that is almost an instant win

 

[shadowofthenight]

slash infils are alot better then thrust imo but then again it depends what ure killing

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

No real difference in Thid.

 

[gohan]

Thrust infs get a 6 sec stun after evade in thidranki... versus other stealthers that have no stun at all that is almost an instant win

no they dont cos at 50 they only get a 5 sec stun

 

[Meradesh]

no they dont cos at 50 they only get a 5 sec stun

that's dragonfang, Toffie was talking about ratfang tho.