DAoC, population. Requiel post here aswell.

[Britin]

To many lemons in this thread

Too many leetest in this thread

 

[Shike]

pip + leet = funnay

 

[Golena]

Maybe when the FG brigade get down off their defensive pedesal they will realise that I never claimed it was only the l33t FG guilds that caused the problems, but the general attitude of nastiness towards others in the game, no matter if that comes from a thid player, a soloer, a zerger or a fg player.

From my memories alot of it started when the FG crowd suddenly decided that they wanted only 8v8 fights and anyone near them was interfering in their playstyle and developed into what we have now where everyone is so defensive that any comment results in flaming the other person back just out of instinct.

It's not just one group that's the problem, it's everyone, because the arguments have become so much a part of the game, that even the most random comment from anyone ends up in a bitch thread, as can be seen by pretty much every thread ever posted here! Where the problem started is rather irrelevant at this point, because throwing blame at them isn't going to help at all. But the "communitys" on the uk servers at the moment are so closed off and isolated that it does feel your at war with at least half your own realm permantly, and that's the problem.

 

[Kinetix]

I often wondered about this, because the strength of feeling that is apparent, couple with some of the posts from Muy, Kinetix etc doesnt tally with anything I personally recognise from Hibernia. We're there some individuals and fg players with particularly bad attitudes?

From playing hib, I really havent experienced any particular vitriole from solo players, nor when running as a fg do at least the NFD fg's whine at solo fellow hibs in game who have jumped in, and to be honest it hasnt been any sort of an issue as the fg action was in agramon. The only people we have occasionally sniped at in game are other full groups who have piled in, and thats because of the obvious hypocrisy in what they have done.

Maybe thats why some of the posters dont always see eye to eye perhaps - because us lot over in hib have significantly different past experiences with regards in game agression towards us as individuals.

Oi! you mofo...i was never agressive....unless it was with icebreaker

:worthy:

 

[Kinetix]

Playing more than one realm is fine. Previously people used to play different realms on different servers tho. Trying to say that having so many people with toons on both sides of the fence didn't really hurt the "realm spirit" is just foolish. The game does need that realm spirit to survive, one of the reasons that relic raids are so hated nowadays is because suddenly 50% of the popualtion vanishes to the other realm whenever one is taken and RvR becomes crap for weeks, something that just didn't happen in the old days.

The FG mentality, I want fair fights didn't kill off the server. When lord chancelor melon Censi gets it through his thick skull that not adding wasn't the problem, but the streams of abuse that these players gave to anyone not jumping on their honour bandwaggon that caused the problem. Go into the game and try and find anyone that hasn't been playing for over a year. On other servers i've run into new players regularly, on the English cluster, a newbie just didn't exist, and having talked to a few new players they were all shocked when they arrived all happy at Thid only to be sworn at, abused and told to get f*cked and went to find a better game.

The "lemons" are what keeps the game alive. Sure, you can have people who have played for a long time, and take it too seriously just to go out and have fun with their mates. Most people don't care if they are pushing their char to the max and getting every point of ability out of it, they just want to group up with their mates and have a laugh in the evening after work. But without them the server becomes a very quiet place, where the l33t kids just whine about lack of variety in fights.. The fact you have a lack of variety seems to shock you every time as well, despite the fact that you've driven away everyone that didn't fit into your small circle of mates to begin with.
People whine that there's not enough 8v8 groups out, but the idea of inviting someone into your 7 man group that you don't know is so horrifying that you would rather just log off instead and do something else if your 8th member doesn't turn up. The simple rules of cause and effect seem completely lost on so many people here, it's actually scary. Everyone started off an adding noob, and getting the new ones to quit the game during the first few months so they never get the drive to actually go solo or get into the fg scene is what's killed the cluster, nothing else.

ohhh you sooo deserve a rep for this

 

[Kinetix]

lol guess u not played guild wars then

And Golena , im glad someone makes sense for a change . if i repped people id rep u , but i dont so meh

There is a comunity in Guild Wars? dam i just thought they were all duplicates of Horner and they spent theyr time annoying ppl

 

[judas]

Rvr and the game went crap when the zerg lost amg/mmg. :<
From toa release to now it has gone downhill.

 

[Kinetix]

Rvr and the game went crap when the zerg lost amg/mmg. :<
From toa release to now it has gone downhill.

I dont believe in the word of someone who backstabbed jesus christ!

 

[Nul]

If DAOC is gonna live they must advertise about it. I never seen or heard
anything of DAOC until my friend told me about it. And never after either.
Put some cash in advertising and get some more players in the game.
Its a great game, just lack of ppl.

WOW makes me laugh, looks just like disney. If thats what WAR will look
like Im not gonna change. I rather /qtd for good.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Oi! you mofo...i was never agressive....unless it was with icebreaker

:worthy:

You misread - i was enquiring if there was a particular problem on alb with people being overly aggressive to you and muy (your names sprung to mind), in an attempt to understand the seemingly heavily poloarised views with the discussion thread brought up about how people don't seem to recognise a middle way. That was within my experience of hib, where I personally havent had any real problems from anyone over my entire time playing.

I was trying to cap my empathy

I'd also be interested in seeming some screenies of these ingame verbal abuses, im assuming you all have lots of them as they are/were so prevalent. At the very least it would provide some entertainment.

 

[Sorin]

Not that i want to.. but i really gotta write this:

To all those who don't like the way the game is played:

Fuck off and stop playing the game.


To all those who enjoy the game as it is.

Keep playing lads.



Now, about the 5 years wasted...

well.. really got nothing to say... the same happend to me when i played diablo 2... you just gotta get over it...

ofc i will hate when mythic closes the servers "wich they will eventually"

In the end there is simply not enough players to keep the servers up and running.

However, i belive that excal/pryd will run a few more years. so we just gotta enjoy it while we have it.

 

[Rhana]

I dont believe in the word of someone who backstabbed jesus christ!

Not his fault... prolly the onely good thing he did in his life, considdering that it was devine will that wanted him to do it, or Jesus wouldnt got nailed to that cross with out him. So, Judas was a "hell" of a good PR-man for the Heaven

 

[censi]

managed to draw a few in with my lemon post.

seriously though. half the fun of any mmrpg is the melting pot of players. different outlooks, differnent sense of humours, different playstyles, people to admire and get on with, people who you encounter who you dislike and disrespect. hot heads, jesters, lemons, leetists, lamers.... whatever catagory you fall into doesnt really matter or you might not fall into a catagory.. what matters is to just have fun and be yourself. if your a dick irl though it will show up in your playstlyle (horner pip etc..)

i think a lot of posts are based on extreme ends of the scale, where as the majority of the daoc community just gets on with it and plays.

I can honestly say I have encountered some simply brilliant people in daoc some of who have a purly wicked sense of humour and outlook. on the flip side theres some right dickheads.

If you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding, fine. but if you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding but does give a shit about getting critised for it, its you that has the issue because it comes with the territory.

 

[Sollers]

if your a dick irl though it will show up in your playstlyle (horner pip etc..)

Hmm, do you think this is banning material? Or do you have to wish people a horrible death? :<

 

[Erulin]

But we have wasted maybe 5years for nothing?

Either you see a game for what it was/is and gave/gives you, namely 'fun' or by definition it is just that, a waste of time. I take it for the first... fun.

 

[pip]

managed to draw a few in with my lemon post.

seriously though. half the fun of any mmrpg is the melting pot of players. different outlooks, differnent sense of humours, different playstyles, people to admire and get on with, people who you encounter who you dislike and disrespect. hot heads, jesters, lemons, leetists, lamers.... whatever catagory you fall into doesnt really matter or you might not fall into a catagory.. what matters is to just have fun and be yourself. if your a dick irl though it will show up in your playstlyle (horner pip etc..)

i think a lot of posts are based on extreme ends of the scale, where as the majority of the daoc community just gets on with it and plays.

I can honestly say I have encountered some simply brilliant people in daoc some of who have a purly wicked sense of humour and outlook. on the flip side theres some right dickheads.

If you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding, fine. but if you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding but does give a shit about getting critised for it, its you that has the issue because it comes with the territory.

lol lies i'm Honourable, and play game for fun, unlike Censi, just spams is venom till people get uke: sick of him folk love killing me and horner thats what makes it fun for some, take us away, and all like us, what would be the fun in killing? you choose to play solo so? how many people have great fun on the mic? lots and play in groups, I'm there to take rp and give rp not play few hrs a night in stealth hiding from all thinking your rambo, need to team up have more fun FTW, talking about hate against a person for a online game really shows you need to chill i will run solo get zerged 24/7 hay thats fine, i just team up get rp back simple as? not sit on fh insulting good guys irl like me that pays my own subs.

 

[Golena]

If you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding, fine. but if you are one of these guys that doesnt give a shit about not adding but does give a shit about getting critised for it, its you that has the issue because it comes with the territory.

There's the problem. The belief that it's ok to throw insults at people that don't agree or know about you way of playing. When I bought the game it didn't say "A 1v1 game or large scale realm warfare, as long as you accept that people will shout insults at you while doing it". Insulting people who enjoy killing the enemy realm is not part of the territory. It's introduced by kids that when they don't get their way feel the need to hurl crap at people. It wouldn't be hard to move 1v1 fights out to agramon where the zergers tend not to go, but apparently it's too far for you to go for a fair fight, so instead you stand on your bridge getting zerged and crying about it.. hmm go figure.

I'll provide an example. A short while ago I went off to play Glastonbury for a while. When it got crap over there I decided to try logging on and playing alb for a night, so grabbed my cabby, grouped with my mates sorc and headed off over Beno bridge to find a load of hibs there with only a few albs. Naturally we piled in since the hibs outnumbered the albs about 2 to 1 so it obviously wasn't a FG fight we were "adding on". What happened? I instantly got about 5 pm's telling me to go f**k myself you useless worthless piece of cock sucking pile of useless crap. Yep, apparently in the few months I was away the leet crowd had decided that next to Beno bridge, possibly the most traveled piece of landscape in NF would be the perfect place to set up a dueling zone. Fair enough if you know about it. Now how do you expect a new DAoC player to know when they run over that bridge for the first time that attacking the stuff on the other side is "off limits unless you are a twat". Yet not one of the 5 people pm'ing me bothered to ask why I attacked them, just a list of insults about how worthless I was. It's this attitude that's the problem.. Set up camp in an obvious area then just expect everyone to follow your made up rules if they know about them or not.

The actual art of soloing in DAoC seems to of long past anyway. People seem to be under the assumption that a solo fight involves two parties /bow'ing to each other then mashing keys at each other until one of them dies. Soloing should be about heading out to enemy lands and trying to kill off people without getting zerged. If your trying to do this on a bridge with 7 members of the enemy standing about then you suck at playing DAoC much more than the people zerging you. You might not suck at your own little made up game, but you suck at DAoC the MMPORG. NF really didn't help since the reason to actually travel anywhere has all but disappeared, but the dueling system made up by the players avoids a huge and very skillful part of the game, positioning yourself for a fight where you won't get zerged instead of simply running to duel spot A and expecting a clean fair fight. Maybe the people left just dont have the skillz to participate, and their only ability is mashing their taunt button while strafing, i'm not sure. Hopefully when the next expansion arrives and gives people a reason to move in hostile territory instead of just sitting on their bridge, the true game can resume again and the leet kiddies not actually wanting to try and play the game properly will be forced to at least try it once in a while.

 

[Matmardigan]

I feel like I have played the game for nothing, thinking about that it may die.

And all we got left, is memories.

But we have wasted maybe 5years for nothing?

The reality can be hard if you wake up after several of wasted years and you recorgnize the fact that theres nothing you have gained expect of nice memories.

 

[Bracken]

its you that has the issue because it comes with the territory.

I love this. A guy gets in from work, loads up this game called Dark Age of Camelot. Reads on the box about RvR being where people from different realms fight against each other and from then on plays the game accordingly, perhaps for a number of years without a problem. Then some random (in the true sense of the word) jumped up pillock sat f*ck knows where starts sending him messages telling him he's a clueless n00b, a retard, a lemon, a cock and various other phrases purely designed to piss him off. He takes offence at this and it's HIM that has the issue. Not the emotionally challenged halfwit who gets worked up over a bunch of pixels. F*cking priceless. I'll drink to that kind of thinking purely because it's so f*cking twisted.

 

[Sorin]

The reality can be hard if you wake up after several of wasted years and you recorgnize the fact that theres nothing you have gained expect of nice memories.

Nice dude.. nice..

 

[censi]

I love this. A guy gets in from work, loads up this game called Dark Age of Camelot. Reads on the box about RvR being where people from different realms fight against each other and from then on plays the game accordingly, perhaps for a number of years without a problem. Then some random (in the true sense of the word) jumped up pillock sat f*ck knows where starts sending him messages telling him he's a clueless n00b, a retard, a lemon, a cock and various other phrases purely designed to piss him off. He takes offence at this and it's HIM that has the issue. Not the emotionally challenged halfwit who gets worked up over a bunch of pixels. F*cking priceless. I'll drink to that kind of thinking purely because it's so f*cking twisted.

its doesnt say in the manual I cant add!

you have adopted my technique in arguing by giving an extreme example of what your opponent is saying layered with sarcasm and strong language.

the reality is there are no new players. we are talking about the real player base not some fantasy thing.

 

[Darzil]

the reality is there are no new players. we are talking about the real player base not some fantasy thing.

I've met many new players, returning players, or players starting afresh here from other servers. I always level from 1, not 20, and don't powerlevel, or often use task dungeons. You'd be surprised how many you meet like that.

Darzil

 

[noaim]

I love this. A guy gets in from work, loads up this game called Dark Age of Camelot. Reads on the box about RvR being where people from different realms fight against each other and from then on plays the game accordingly, perhaps for a number of years without a problem. Then some random (in the true sense of the word) jumped up pillock sat f*ck knows where starts sending him messages telling him he's a clueless n00b, a retard, a lemon, a cock and various other phrases purely designed to piss him off. He takes offence at this and it's HIM that has the issue. Not the emotionally challenged halfwit who gets worked up over a bunch of pixels. F*cking priceless. I'll drink to that kind of thinking purely because it's so f*cking twisted.

You really do make it sound like the average adder has 2 fighting braincells, is mentally handicapped and slightly retarded lol. "Gotta check box to see what I am supposed to do. Aha, go out and fight! Kill! Roaaaaar!!!"

I dont think people are as stupid as u make it sound really. I think most are capable of thinking further than "it says so on the box" and can actually understand that those 2 people fighting eachother might enjoy fighting eachother 1 on 1, so I can leave em be. But maybe I am wrong.

 

[Golena]

the reality is there are no new players.

I've met plenty on other servers.
Yesterday on the US servers I met someone who didn't know you could port between keeps.
There's no new players here because of people like you. Your way of arguing is fairly irrelevant, because all your proving is your a self centered individual with no concept of what anyone else thinks. Take that way of thinking out to the real world and you'll find your fairly lonely fairly quickly.

It doesn't say in the manual you can't add. So why should I have to accept that when I do it it's acceptable to receive abuse from you? If you think that handing out random abuse to others is acceptable just because you want to, then really, quit while your a long long way behind in any form of debate ever!

Either your just trying to bait others into replying (the sad thing here is your own little kiddie cheering squad is taking the game down with it thinking you actually have some twisted point) or you truly are pathetic. So, which is it?

Standard replies of "haha lemon" on a postcard to "no-one past the mental age of 4 gives a crap" please.

 

[Golena]

I dont think people are as stupid as u make it sound really. I think most are capable of thinking further than "it says so on FH" and can actually understand that that person playing the game might actually enjoy fighting together with his realm mates so can leave him be. But maybe I am wrong.

Funny how this only seems to work one way for you guys isn't it!

 

[Bracken]

You really do make it sound like the average adder has 2 fighting braincells, is mentally handicapped and slightly retarded lol. "Gotta check box to see what I am supposed to do. Aha, go out and fight! Kill! Roaaaaar!!!"

I dont think people are as stupid as u make it sound really. I think most are capable of thinking further than "it says so on the box" and can actually understand that those 2 people fighting eachother might enjoy fighting eachother 1 on 1, so I can leave em be. But maybe I am wrong.

I don't do anything of the sort - once again you completely and utterly fail to grasp the point. The point is that people are simply playing the game as they always have done which they have every f*cking right to do free from abuse. They are doing nothing wrong either according to the manual, the people who made and run the game or in their own minds. Why? Because they bought and play the game in the very way it was sold to them. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to abuse them for doing that. In fact I refer you to a previous reply which I made to you which I thought made it crystal clear. Went something along the lines of: (slightly edited to be more in this context)

The average zerger doesn't know one group or soloer from the next. We don't know if that fight in front of us is between 2 sets of like minded people simply out for their fair fights or 2 random sets of people. Heck we've even been abused for not adding before now (just as wrong ofc). In fact, if they are in front of us then the assumption is that they can't be looking for *fair* fights else they wouldn't be loitering round the f*cking zerg. I'd say that's pretty bloody obvious. So once again, contrary to your own little egotistical view of the world, we aren't doing it to piss them off or because we are selfish, stupid or any other insult that might be thrown at us. We are just playing the game as we do, as we've always done, which we have every right to do. Now if you were smart you wouldn't be f*cking around on the edge of the zerg in the first place - you'd be in Agramon or roaming AWAY from the zergy areas. But that would be too easy. Actually, why DO people who say they just want *fair fights* regularly hang round the edge of the zergs? Was it something to do with the rps you mentioned?

Pretty much summed it up really. Last time your weak reply was to say you really meant people who claim to want fg action but don't in reality. Try not to opt for that cop out again because once again it's me you've replied to so I can only assume you do mean me and "zergers" like me.

 

[Zede]

Really, cry babies lies golena should just fuck off from the game all together.

I simply cannot believe that you are affected so much by someone you do not know, have never met, never will meet, sending you a PM saying your shit. Its not real - its does not matter, get a grip ffs.

 

[noaim]

I find it hard to believe that the abuse towards random people who claim not to add is that bad, but if it is its sad, no excuses for that. As I told u before, the people I dislike are the ones who wants no adds 1 day, and adds themselves the next day.

The point I tried to make in the previous post was that this game isnt really superfast, most people should be able to see a 1 on 1 and leave the people to finish the fight, no matter if they recognize the people or not. Its not rocket science. I think its a lack of respect to add on such a fight, but thats my opinion. I fully understand though if u people cant make out if its a fair fight when it starts going up in higher numbers, but 1 on 1 really isnt complicated imo.

And Golena, if u quote me, dont change the text.

 

[duact]

Daoc was much better when ppl didnt get banned for telling random adding noobs to FOAD. Miss those times, hope I pissed off many casualdads.

 

[chretien]

Really, cry babies lies golena should just fuck off from the game all together.

I simply cannot believe that you are affected so much by someone you do not know, have never met, never will meet, sending you a PM saying your shit. Its not real - its does not matter, get a grip ffs.

Right but it's not just once, it's not just a random guy telling you how to play, it's day in day out. The people who try and impose their arbitrary rules on the rest of us have been killing this game for years and now we are seeing the fruits of that. Why are you allowed to set rules that disadvantage me but give you an almost guaranteed win? Your idea of a fair fight is a 1v1 or an 8v8. My idea of a fair fight is one where either side has around an even chance to win. When I'm playing my RR2 unbuffed scout, that means usually 2v1 against almost any solo enemy. If I'm playing my RR4 cleric in a low RR pug that probably means 12-16v8 high RR enemies. If you want to farm noobs like me then that's fine, just don't complain when the noobs try and make it fair again. If you want clean fights against other likeminded enemies then there's Agramon and the other 95% of the frontier where we noobs aren't fighting each other.