DAoC, population. Requiel post here aswell.

[censi]

forget all this debaiting... its not even up for debait..

everything thats good from daoc comes from leetists...

the funny humour
the catch phrases
fotm tactics
fotm specs
fotm setups
the decent temps
the decent rvr vids
the interesting forum banter

the lemons contribute nothing other than suxing balls and telling everyone how hard life is suxing balls. Lemons are needed for fodder and to balance the server for leetists. it would get boring if it was all like completly fixed groups with no variety. So lemons do have a role.

and im not saying what the lemons in this thread are talking about is wrong.. its totally correct im sure from their POV. its just that a lemons POV is irrelevent to anything other than lemons. IE its just more random newb stuff to leetists. leetists have an enlightened view on things where they know the truth. lemons just think they know the truth. this is the natural course because leetists are strong solid players and lemons are a bit ropey.

(nb.. lemons can be handy when you need player crafted stuff or SC to etc)

 

[Mckennitt]

I reckon the day censi says that he will have a break from the game - half population will return in EU servers to enjoy the light once again.

:touch:

 

[thergador]

forget all this debaiting... its not even up for debait..

everything thats good from daoc comes from leetists...

the funny humour
the catch phrases
fotm tactics
fotm specs
fotm setups
the decent temps
the decent rvr vids
the interesting forum banter

the lemons contribute nothing other than suxing balls and telling everyone how hard life is suxing balls. Lemons are needed for fodder and to balance the server for leetists. it would get boring if it was all like completly fixed groups with no variety. So lemons do have a role.

and im not saying what the lemons in this thread are talking about is wrong.. its totally correct im sure from their POV. its just that a lemons POV is irrelevent to anything other than lemons. IE its just more random newb stuff to leetists. leetists have an enlightened view on things where they know the truth. lemons just think they know the truth. this is the natural course because leetists are strong solid players and lemons are a bit ropey.

(nb.. lemons can be handy when you need player crafted stuff or SC to etc)

well at least you know your a lemon m8 good on you

a little soemthing to help you clicky Daoc_Fundamentals_Final.avi

 

[technasia]

can i squeeze your lemon?

 

[Boni]

everything thats good from daoc comes from leetists...

the funny humour (like FFS DONT ADD!)
the catch phrases (err like FFS DONT ADD!)
fotm tactics (fighting around high density zones like bridges so you get adders and can thus pming people for adding easily)
fotm specs (well anything thats got 'FFS DONT ADD' macroed to quickbar slot no1s pretty good)
fotm setups (thats just lots of people that wanna engage in telling people not to add, far more important than spec, or a full grp setup with macros as above can work well esp with a main assist who has '/s OMG FFS %t ADDED!!!! assist and spam macros lads')
the decent temps (got me here, dont see how you need a good template to tell people not to add).
the decent rvr vids (presumably including adders being told not to add strung together with some great editing)
the interesting forum banter (like, yes you guessed it... FFS DONT ADD posts!)

I couldnt give a s*** either way tbh, I try not to kill anyone who cries about it But I find most 'lemons' far more fun to play with than many who consider themselves 'elite', who are too preocupied with working out who added, who to add on, and where togo and how to get the mythical balanced fg vs fg fight, whos fault it was that they lost mezz, didnt heal or whatever, yawn...

 

[thergador]

oh btw
so what if any body think there elite, any body can fit 12 letters in an inch its really not that hard

elite

"A typeface that prints 12 cpi."
"# A size of type on a typewriter, equal to 12 characters per linear inch."

 

[Coldbeard]

Must have been real competitive killing solo people when you were grouped with multiple guildmates in your infamous stealthzerg days Censi.

Harr harr

 

[Coldbeard]

the funny humour (like FFS DONT ADD!)
the catch phrases (err like FFS DONT ADD!)
fotm tactics (fighting around high density zones like bridges so you get adders and can thus pming people for adding easily)
fotm specs (well anything thats got 'FFS DONT ADD' macroed to quickbar slot no1s pretty good)
fotm setups (thats just lots of people that wanna engage in telling people not to add, far more important than spec, or a full grp setup with macros as above can work well esp with a main assist who has '/s OMG FFS %t ADDED!!!! assist and spam macros lads')
the decent temps (got me here, dont see how you need a good template to tell people not to add).
the decent rvr vids (presumably including adders being told not to add strung together with some great editing)
the interesting forum banter (like, yes you guessed it... FFS DONT ADD posts!)

I couldnt give a s*** either way tbh, I try not to kill anyone who cries about it But I find most 'lemons' far more fun to play with than many who consider themselves 'elite', who are too preocupied with working out who added, who to add on, and where togo and how to get the mythical balanced fg vs fg fight, whos fault it was that they lost mezz, didnt heal or whatever, yawn...

This post makes me think of how a caveman trying to explain rocketscience would look like.

 

[Muylaetrix]

whats the point of reputation open to all when u get it all golena? xD

+1!

i don`t care, as long as i have rep and he keeps posting stuff like that :

+1 from me.

 

[Muylaetrix]

I couldnt give a s*** either way tbh, I try not to kill anyone who cries about it But I find most 'lemons' far more fun to play with than many who consider themselves 'elite', who are too preocupied with working out who added, who to add on, and where togo and how to get the mythical balanced fg vs fg fight, whos fault it was that they lost mezz, didnt heal or whatever, yawn...

:worthy:

lemons are usually more fun than the `serious (don`t add FFS) ones`. even if they are total crap players some of the time.

fun >> results (arpee, ego)

 

[swords]

Fun + results >>>> fun >> results

 

[Zede]

The full group crowd left because of a lack of decent fights, they got bored fighting the same 2 groups over and over again. If you really think the server went from perfectly healthy to dead in one week because a few FG guilds left then try again. Just because you are once again failing to see the problem, it's not my fault. People leave a game over time, that's normal and doesn't kill the server unless there's no-one new coming in, which is exactly the case with the english cluster. Now why does every other server in the world have new players starting, yet 90% of the english cluster has an elder title.


4 or so guild grps who communicate through irc decided to re-roll avalon. This alone did not cause a major problem, as like all guilds who reroll, they still come back to the old chars once or twice a week ( agramon night usually). This was approx 5 weeks before the TT action. One by one, other grps started to leave. The tt thing happened and a snowball effect QUICKLY took place. Its a simple fact that biggest exodus from cluster since WoW was released occured within a week of TT. So - your wrong.. its a simple simple fact people left suddently. And 90% of cluster having elder is bullshit and you know it.


I've played plenty of other MMORPG's, i've also played on other servers, and I can assure you that the level of abuse given to people "just playing the game" is infinately less than it was here 6 months ago. Yeah if you go out to piss off other people, or start pulling their mobs in PvE then you'll get abuse, but not just for playing. It's the abuse given to the random casual player who has no idea what he was doing was wrong that's the problem, not the bickering that goes on here. I assume you think everyone that plays in thid is a lemon.. Fair enough, carry on being leet and all. Maybe you could draw up a list of what makes you a lemon, the rough definition from what I understand is "anyone who isn't my mate", funny that you then go on to argue that this attitude died with OF. hmmm yeah right!

Im confused. You use thid as your brilliant example of how ppl get spammed abuse. Now......forgive me again if wrong but "thid" is hardly representative of the game , and basing it on talking to 3 people even less so. FYI, the "fg crowd" dont play thid....so the people that are spamming this alledged abuse are the really cool "nice guy irl" crowd - you see the irony ?

Just because you couldn't care less doesn't make it not true. I've talked to at least 3 people who left because of abuse given by people in the BG's. How many actual new players (under 2 weeks playing) have you talked to in the last year? Most people play a game to have fun.. If their first experience of that game is being shouted at for trying to do what it said in the manual, and called a lame adder, why should they stick around after the free trial, instead of going to a more friendly environment. The simple truth is the people putting up with the crap on the english cluster at the moment are people who are addicted to the game, or log on because their mates are here.

Shows how little you know me. I'll take a screen shot my friends list, maybe the L1 chars ive helped recently will be still active, not sure as i dont play cluster anymore. Sorry to losen your halo,but the "fg crowd" are just as nice and just as willing to help people out as everyone else is - who is being elitist now ?? Oh, and if someone is Sooooo fragile they quit a game because someone called them an adders, quite frankly they can go play some pretty game on the Wii.

So maybe you want to go ask all the people stood around in snowdonia at the moment how many of them have been invited to a guild group in the last 5 months to go run in agramon. I'm guessing the percentage is going to be smaller than your (I would say arguing, but it's actually more like blabbering) here. Yeah some people get invited into pugs but if you actually bothered to read you'll notice that that's not what I said. I've been in plenty of groups in the last 6 months that have disbanded and not bothered to run simply because inviting some random seemed too painful. Yeah i'm sure that's made me part of the problem, but the reason people don't invite randoms is because so few of them have any clue what they are doing in FG RvR. Why is that? Because they never get invited in the first place to learn.

rofl - the old argument. tell me oh righteous one - how many times have you spent HOURS just trying to get a PuG grp together ??? Those people you say stood around snow should get up off there lazy arses and do something for themselves, instead fo WHINING like you on here, really your pathetic. If people are not pro-active for their realm - wtf do you expect ?? Its peoples laziness thats to blame - and nothing else. On hib atm we are all rr1-5, and we make PuGs every night, we get wiped 3 out of 4 times, we buff up and go out again. Full credit here to Dark Aurora on cluster - they did indeed go to Agramon, and yes most the time they got wiped - but im sure they learned alot. Those lazy gits in snow should take a leaf out of their book.

I've highlighted the very important bit here.. Triple the population, really? And why do you think that is? I can tell you exactly why it is. It's because 2/3 of the english cluster jacked it in within 2 months. Please tell me how many genuinly new players you've asked why they wern't going to continue. If that answer is over 3 then i'll take you even semi-seriously. Until then i'll just assume that you want to run about flaming people some more because your running out of people in game to do it to. Fair enough, call me a lemon all you want. I couldn't care less. Many people when faced with exactly the attitude you've just shown would go to a game where people like you didn't come up and scream in their face while they were doing it however.


Your so wrong again. Avalon has had the largest population in the EU for many years, cluster peeps has not made much of a difference at all, at least not yet ( give us a month and u should see about 4 guild grps from hib at least) And yes smart arse, triple the population -get your facts right before you try and look cool. And as mentioned above, yes i help out new players when ever i see one doing /who Plains /who keltoi etc... u really think other ppl dont do this ??

Frankly you've pretty much made my point for me. Disagreeing with the "FG crowd" which you seem to be so involved in gets that kind of pathetic and whiny response every time, deserved or not. At the end of a days work then people simply can't be bothered spending their free time putting up with kids that feel the need to run round screaming LEMON at people. Yeah there's lots of players that suck at the game and need to add on anything to get realm points. Now lets all bow down to the people that picked up the game and were instantly RR10 and only ever ran solo looking for fair fights from day 1, like Censi for example... oh wait. Yeah there's limited challenge or lastability in just zerging stuff, but believe it or not, for the first month or 2 you play, it is actually fun. Well it would be if not for the people yelling "well added" or worse everytime you tried to kill something.

Go to avalon, play the game as intended. All arguments over adding/zerging/whining over there are moot. zerging for 2 months you say ? try 5 years on avalon and its still going very, very strong ( the zerging that is)

 

[Zede]

The full group crowd left because of a lack of decent fights, they got bored fighting the same 2 groups over and over again. If you really think the server went from perfectly healthy to dead in one week because a few FG guilds left then try again. Just because you are once again failing to see the problem, it's not my fault. People leave a game over time, that's normal and doesn't kill the server unless there's no-one new coming in, which is exactly the case with the english cluster. Now why does every other server in the world have new players starting, yet 90% of the english cluster has an elder title.

I've played plenty of other MMORPG's, i've also played on other servers, and I can assure you that the level of abuse given to people "just playing the game" is infinately less than it was here 6 months ago. Yeah if you go out to piss off other people, or start pulling their mobs in PvE then you'll get abuse, but not just for playing. It's the abuse given to the random casual player who has no idea what he was doing was wrong that's the problem, not the bickering that goes on here. I assume you think everyone that plays in thid is a lemon.. Fair enough, carry on being leet and all. Maybe you could draw up a list of what makes you a lemon, the rough definition from what I understand is "anyone who isn't my mate", funny that you then go on to argue that this attitude died with OF. hmmm yeah right!


Just because you couldn't care less doesn't make it not true. I've talked to at least 3 people who left because of abuse given by people in the BG's. How many actual new players (under 2 weeks playing) have you talked to in the last year? Most people play a game to have fun.. If their first experience of that game is being shouted at for trying to do what it said in the manual, and called a lame adder, why should they stick around after the free trial, instead of going to a more friendly environment. The simple truth is the people putting up with the crap on the english cluster at the moment are people who are addicted to the game, or log on because their mates are here.


So maybe you want to go ask all the people stood around in snowdonia at the moment how many of them have been invited to a guild group in the last 5 months to go run in agramon. I'm guessing the percentage is going to be smaller than your (I would say arguing, but it's actually more like blabbering) here. Yeah some people get invited into pugs but if you actually bothered to read you'll notice that that's not what I said. I've been in plenty of groups in the last 6 months that have disbanded and not bothered to run simply because inviting some random seemed too painful. Yeah i'm sure that's made me part of the problem, but the reason people don't invite randoms is because so few of them have any clue what they are doing in FG RvR. Why is that? Because they never get invited in the first place to learn.



I've highlighted the very important bit here.. Triple the population, really? And why do you think that is? I can tell you exactly why it is. It's because 2/3 of the english cluster jacked it in within 2 months. Please tell me how many genuinly new players you've asked why they wern't going to continue. If that answer is over 3 then i'll take you even semi-seriously. Until then i'll just assume that you want to run about flaming people some more because your running out of people in game to do it to. Fair enough, call me a lemon all you want. I couldn't care less. Many people when faced with exactly the attitude you've just shown would go to a game where people like you didn't come up and scream in their face while they were doing it however.




Frankly you've pretty much made my point for me. Disagreeing with the "FG crowd" which you seem to be so involved in gets that kind of pathetic and whiny response every time, deserved or not. At the end of a days work then people simply can't be bothered spending their free time putting up with kids that feel the need to run round screaming LEMON at people. Yeah there's lots of players that suck at the game and need to add on anything to get realm points. Now lets all bow down to the people that picked up the game and were instantly RR10 and only ever ran solo looking for fair fights from day 1, like Censi for example... oh wait. Yeah there's limited challenge or lastability in just zerging stuff, but believe it or not, for the first month or 2 you play, it is actually fun. Well it would be if not for the people yelling "well added" or worse everytime you tried to kill something.

1) 4 or so guild grps who communicate through irc decided to re-roll avalon. The fg scene at the time was vibrant. This alone did not cause a major problem, as like all guilds who reroll, they still come back to the old chars once or twice a week ( agramon night usually). This was approx 5 weeks before the TT action. One by one, other grps started to leave. The tt thing happened and a snowball effect QUICKLY took place. Its a simple fact that biggest exodus from cluster since WoW was released occured within a week of TT. So - your wrong.. its a simple simple fact people left suddently. And 90% of cluster having elder is bullshit and you know it.

2) Im confused. You use thid as your brilliant example of how ppl get spammed abuse. Now......forgive me again if wrong but "thid" is hardly representative of the game , and basing it on talking to 3 people even less so. FYI, the "fg crowd" dont play thid....so the people that are spamming this alledged abuse are the really cool "nice guy irl" crowd - you see the irony ?

3) Shows how little you know me. I'll take a screen shot my friends list, maybe the L1 chars ive helped recently will be still active, not sure as i dont play cluster anymore. Sorry to losen your halo,but the "fg crowd" are just as nice and just as willing to help people out as everyone else is - who is being elitist now ?? Oh, and if someone is Sooooo fragile they quit a game because someone called them an adders, quite frankly they can go play some pretty game on the Wii.

4) rofl - the old argument. tell me oh righteous one - how many times have you spent HOURS just trying to get a PuG grp together ??? Those people you say stood around snow should get up off there lazy arses and do something for themselves, instead fo WHINING like you on here, really its pathetic. If people are not pro-active for their realm - wtf do you expect ?? Its peoples laziness thats to blame - and nothing else. On hib atm we are all rr1-5, and we make PuGs every night, we get wiped 3 out of 4 times, we buff up and go out again. Full credit here to Dark Aurora on cluster - they did indeed go to Agramon, and yes most the time they got wiped - but im sure they learned alot. Those lazy gits in snow should take a leaf out of their book.

5) Your so wrong again. Avalon has had the largest population in the EU for many years, cluster peeps has not made much of a difference at all, at least not yet ( give us a month and u should see about 4 guild grps from hib at least) And yes smart arse, triple the population and has been for a long long time. -get your facts right before you try and look cool. And as mentioned above, yes i help out new players when ever i see one doing /who Plains /who keltoi etc... u really think other ppl dont do this ??

6) Go to avalon, play the game as intended. All arguments over adding/zerging/whining over there are moot. zerging for 2 months you say ? try 5 years on avalon and its still going very, very strong ( the zerging that is)

 

[Enli]

I reckon the day censi says that he will have a break from the game - half population will return in EU servers to enjoy the light once again.

:touch:

U've hit the jackpot!!!111

 

[noaim]

Its interesting, that when artifacts were usually camped, it was the randoms that gave the fg players the "thieves" abuse when they got ready faster than the camper and, completely within the CoC, did the encounter before the random camper could. But if they get called adder in rvr, they quit because its not fun to play anymore if u get abuse for doing something thats allowed by the CoC? If fg-people actually ruined the rvr for people who prefer largescale battles, in the same way that those people who add etc (unintentionally ofc) ruins the rvr for the people who prefer fg-fights, u would see just as much abuse coming from the randoms, so just quit it with the "damn fg people abuse us poor randoms so much and it makes all of us quit".

 

[Zexxeh]

forget all this debaiting... its not even up for debait..

everything thats good from daoc comes from leetists...

the funny humour
the catch phrases
fotm tactics
fotm specs
fotm setups
the decent temps
the decent rvr vids
the interesting forum banter

the lemons contribute nothing other than suxing balls and telling everyone how hard life is suxing balls. Lemons are needed for fodder and to balance the server for leetists. it would get boring if it was all like completly fixed groups with no variety. So lemons do have a role.

and im not saying what the lemons in this thread are talking about is wrong.. its totally correct im sure from their POV. its just that a lemons POV is irrelevent to anything other than lemons. IE its just more random newb stuff to leetists. leetists have an enlightened view on things where they know the truth. lemons just think they know the truth. this is the natural course because leetists are strong solid players and lemons are a bit ropey.

(nb.. lemons can be handy when you need player crafted stuff or SC to etc)

Best post I´ve seen in years. Amen.

 

[MaCaBr3]

Best post I´ve seen in years. Amen.

Hope you were beeing sarcastic.

 

[Raven]

if morons can pm me "omg noob why didn't you help me" or "fucking help noob" i am quite with in my rights to ask them not to add. on the whole its the roglords that are more abusive when you don't add than the people who prefer to have competitive fights. the funniest thing you can do when someone adds from your own realm is pull off and let them get slapped down by the person you are fighting

 

[Septina]

if morons can pm me "omg noob why didn't you help me" or "fucking help noob" i am quite with in my rights to ask them not to add. on the whole its the roglords that are more abusive when you don't add than the people who prefer to have competitive fights. the funniest thing you can do when someone adds from your own realm is pull off and let them get slapped down by the person you are fighting

They're right, you're wrong. You're ruining the spirit of the game by not helping your realmmates!!1111
You have to start living by the true rules of this game.
If its red its dead and such, only then will you be a true DAoC player.

:worthy:

 

[Gahn]

The more active ppl in RvR section reflects how shit is the game lately, sadly.
Be nice folks ...

 

[Castus]

forget all this debaiting... its not even up for debait..

everything thats good from daoc comes from leetists...

the funny humour
the catch phrases
fotm tactics
fotm specs
fotm setups
the decent temps
the decent rvr vids
the interesting forum banter

the lemons contribute nothing other than suxing balls and telling everyone how hard life is suxing balls. Lemons are needed for fodder and to balance the server for leetists. it would get boring if it was all like completly fixed groups with no variety. So lemons do have a role.

and im not saying what the lemons in this thread are talking about is wrong.. its totally correct im sure from their POV. its just that a lemons POV is irrelevent to anything other than lemons. IE its just more random newb stuff to leetists. leetists have an enlightened view on things where they know the truth. lemons just think they know the truth. this is the natural course because leetists are strong solid players and lemons are a bit ropey.

(nb.. lemons can be handy when you need player crafted stuff or SC to etc)

If Censi says it , it must me true!!!! :england:

 

[Darzil]

Some subjects never die . . . .

There are not just two segments of population, there are many, and lots of people will be in multiple ones.

At a quick guess, and leaving lots out :

FG RvR'ers who also do other stuff
FG RvR'ers who join in on siege (zerg) warfare
FG RvR'ers who don't
FG RvR'ers who avoid soloers
FG RvR'ers who don't
PuG RvR'ers in the same categories
Thid RvR'ers in the same categories
Mainly PvE people who also do the above things on occasion
Only PvE people who do mainly Epic encounters
Only PvE people who like levelling alts
etc.

Now, main complaints I've heard from people leaving the game have been the generally unfriendliness of the RvR population (or just bored cos they've done it all). I nearly gave up myself after hitting Thid in early 2002. I'd have to say, though, that since the recent big bust ups it's been much easier to get pick up groups in Alb.

I reckon I fall into several of the categories, myself.

Darzil

 

[MaCaBr3]

You know what the damn problem is about this subject? It's either black or white. Nothing in between. I can't convince anyone, that i'm something in between cuz I I come over as a zerger anyway (won't say lemon cuz I hate that stupid word).

Either you're leet or you're a gimpzerger.

 

[pip]

To many lemons in this thread

 

[Castus]

Some subjects never die . . . .


Now, main complaints I've heard from people leaving the game have been the generally unfriendliness of the RvR population (or just bored cos they've done it all). I nearly gave up myself after hitting Thid in early 2002. I'd have to say, though, that since the recent big bust ups it's been much easier to get pick up groups in Alb.

I reckon I fall into several of the categories, myself.

Darzil

Read Censis post above for proof of that

 

[Cromcruaich]

You know what the damn problem is about this subject? It's either black or white. Nothing in between. I can't convince anyone, that i'm something in between cuz I I come over as a zerger anyway (won't say lemon cuz I hate that stupid word).

Either you're leet or you're a gimpzerger.

Indeed. Though it has been a truism over the last 6 months that its the anti fgophiles and solophiles that are more poloarised than those people who get classified as fg players (the majority of which do their fair share of other types of game play).

 

[Darzil]

Indeed. Though it has been a truism over the last 6 months that its the anti fgophiles and solophiles that are more poloarised than those people who get classified as fg players (the majority of which do their fair share of other types of game play).

In recent history it has at least appeared to me in Albion that many of the fg players there don't like doing anything else, whereas similar groups in Mid and Alb do other stuff.

Darzil

 

[Bracken]

if morons can pm me "omg noob why didn't you help me" or "fucking help noob" i am quite with in my rights to ask them not to add. on the whole its the roglords that are more abusive when you don't add than the people who prefer to have competitive fights.

They are just as much tossers as the "don't add n00b" brigade in my book. When solo I don't add unless asked to so had my fair share of those sort of pms - which is why I've always said it's not the playstyle it's the attitude that counts. I do think it's bollox though to suggest though that it's more common from "roglords", it happens but nowhere near as often as from the "dont add n00b" crew.

 

[Danord_durin]

Raven find some US forum to troll and leave all the zerglings on cluster alone U are clearly out of league for this forum.....

 

[Cromcruaich]

In recent history it has at least appeared to me in Albion that many of the fg players there don't like doing anything else, whereas similar groups in Mid and Alb do other stuff.

Darzil

I often wondered about this, because the strength of feeling that is apparent, couple with some of the posts from Muy, Kinetix etc doesnt tally with anything I personally recognise from Hibernia. We're there some individuals and fg players with particularly bad attitudes?

From playing hib, I really havent experienced any particular vitriole from solo players, nor when running as a fg do at least the NFD fg's whine at solo fellow hibs in game who have jumped in, and to be honest it hasnt been any sort of an issue as the fg action was in agramon. The only people we have occasionally sniped at in game are other full groups who have piled in, and thats because of the obvious hypocrisy in what they have done.

Maybe thats why some of the posters dont always see eye to eye perhaps - because us lot over in hib have significantly different past experiences with regards in game agression towards us as individuals.