DAoC, population. Requiel post here aswell.

[Septina]

"You killed cluster!"
"No, you did!"
"You!"
"No, You!"
"My dad could kick your dads ass!"
"I'm telling!"

 

[MaCaBr3]

Why the does every single fucking thread turns around in adding and zerging debate? It's actually this stupid fucking whine attitude that makes people leave this game. The community in this game, is the worse I have ever have to deal with.

It's not even only this forum. You know how fucking stupid it is to be pm'd by some guy who is friends with a guy from another realm that got killed to say this or that?

Duelers and leetist ruined the game for everyone. You started making all these unwritten rules and telling everyone not to do this or that. Yet you consider yourself to be the 'real hardcore and respected daoc players' while all you do is tell other people to do and what no to do.

Yes, ofcourse you will respond with "there is nothing wrong with having clean fights and beeing competitive". I agree, nothing wrong with that. It's all the abusive whining that gets me pissed of to shit. And yes, you will probably say: well you don't have to read the fucking whines. It's not even about that, whiners will still find a way to contact you in game. What's the fucking point?

I probably come of as the stereotypical zerger or adders which u leet pricks like to use allot. I don't even wanna defend myself, you won't know how I play untill you grouped with me anyway. I see myself as a correct player, a normal joe, a guy who'll fucking zerg you monkey asses if I feel like it, or will leave fights when I feel like it.

 

[censi]

gratz!

 

[MaCaBr3]

Tnx

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Must have been real competitive killing solo people when you were grouped with multiple guildmates in your infamous stealthzerg days Censi.

 

[Bugz]

Must have been real competitive killing solo people when you were grouped with multiple guildmates in your infamous stealthzerg days Censi.

People on this forum forgive such actions way too quickly imo!

 

[Muylaetrix]

Damn well said MaCabr3 and Golena..

:worthy:

 

[Conway]

Playing more than one realm is fine. Previously people used to play different realms on different servers tho. Trying to say that having so many people with toons on both sides of the fence didn't really hurt the "realm spirit" is just foolish. The game does need that realm spirit to survive, one of the reasons that relic raids are so hated nowadays is because suddenly 50% of the popualtion vanishes to the other realm whenever one is taken and RvR becomes crap for weeks, something that just didn't happen in the old days.

The FG mentality, I want fair fights didn't kill off the server. When lord chancelor melon Censi gets it through his thick skull that not adding wasn't the problem, but the streams of abuse that these players gave to anyone not jumping on their honour bandwaggon that caused the problem. Go into the game and try and find anyone that hasn't been playing for over a year. On other servers i've run into new players regularly, on the English cluster, a newbie just didn't exist, and having talked to a few new players they were all shocked when they arrived all happy at Thid only to be sworn at, abused and told to get f*cked and went to find a better game.

The "lemons" are what keeps the game alive. Sure, you can have people who have played for a long time, and take it too seriously just to go out and have fun with their mates. Most people don't care if they are pushing their char to the max and getting every point of ability out of it, they just want to group up with their mates and have a laugh in the evening after work. But without them the server becomes a very quiet place, where the l33t kids just whine about lack of variety in fights.. The fact you have a lack of variety seems to shock you every time as well, despite the fact that you've driven away everyone that didn't fit into your small circle of mates to begin with.
People whine that there's not enough 8v8 groups out, but the idea of inviting someone into your 7 man group that you don't know is so horrifying that you would rather just log off instead and do something else if your 8th member doesn't turn up. The simple rules of cause and effect seem completely lost on so many people here, it's actually scary. Everyone started off an adding noob, and getting the new ones to quit the game during the first few months so they never get the drive to actually go solo or get into the fg scene is what's killed the cluster, nothing else.

All so true. A few people may be indifferent to any and all abuse, but the average person casually trying a new game is looking for fun and has little motivation to stick it out in a game that is full of aggro. In the end, its an atmosphere that drives away even those with a long term commitment to the game unless they have a serious addiction problem or prefer flame wars to playing. It has got crazy, with people running vendettas for years where they are not satisfied until they drive away yet more players. And then amazingly there are too few players...

 

[Awarkle]

what surprises me is the holy than though attitude some people take to other people who added.

Its like they have gone from rr1 to rr8+ or whatever without ever adding on a fight or zerging or grouping up or whatever else.

The point being is that folks that pm me about OMG DONT ADD get put on a big list of people to add on next time i see them. DO i care that im ruining there game, no not really because they are trying to enforce rules and regulations they have made up on me. The point is that you have gotten to your high realm rank by adding or zerging or leeching rps NOONE can say they havnt and until i see a screen shot of soemoens stats saying 100% solo kills at rr8 then sorry but you cant stop people to add on your fights.

Also there seems to be al ot of people that organise duels IN EMAIN. for god sake get a clue if your going to organise a fight at least pick somewhere that isnt going to be flooded with people every 10 seconds.

Seems to me that most folk bring it on themselves.

 

[cmr]

DO i care that im ruining there game, no

k

Seems to me that most folk bring it on themselves.

k

 

[Zede]

Playing more than one realm is fine. Previously people used to play different realms on different servers tho. Trying to say that having so many people with toons on both sides of the fence didn't really hurt the "realm spirit" is just foolish. The game does need that realm spirit to survive, one of the reasons that relic raids are so hated nowadays is because suddenly 50% of the popualtion vanishes to the other realm whenever one is taken and RvR becomes crap for weeks, something that just didn't happen in the old days.

The FG mentality, I want fair fights didn't kill off the server. When lord chancelor melon Censi gets it through his thick skull that not adding wasn't the problem, but the streams of abuse that these players gave to anyone not jumping on their honour bandwaggon that caused the problem. Go into the game and try and find anyone that hasn't been playing for over a year. On other servers i've run into new players regularly, on the English cluster, a newbie just didn't exist, and having talked to a few new players they were all shocked when they arrived all happy at Thid only to be sworn at, abused and told to get f*cked and went to find a better game.

The "lemons" are what keeps the game alive. Sure, you can have people who have played for a long time, and take it too seriously just to go out and have fun with their mates. Most people don't care if they are pushing their char to the max and getting every point of ability out of it, they just want to group up with their mates and have a laugh in the evening after work. But without them the server becomes a very quiet place, where the l33t kids just whine about lack of variety in fights.. The fact you have a lack of variety seems to shock you every time as well, despite the fact that you've driven away everyone that didn't fit into your small circle of mates to begin with.
People whine that there's not enough 8v8 groups out, but the idea of inviting someone into your 7 man group that you don't know is so horrifying that you would rather just log off instead and do something else if your 8th member doesn't turn up. The simple rules of cause and effect seem completely lost on so many people here, it's actually scary. Everyone started off an adding noob, and getting the new ones to quit the game during the first few months so they never get the drive to actually go solo or get into the fg scene is what's killed the cluster, nothing else.

Your saying that people " streaming abuse" to other players killed off the server ??? Now exqueeze me if im wrong - but is it not the "fg" crowd that has left ? So please do tell, are they screaming abuse to each other ? erm no... You make no sense at all.

You obviously have never played any other mmorpgs - random abuse from players is common place. Oh and Mr genius - please tell me what the hell the "leet" guys are doing in Thidranki ???? Im pretty sure, heck Im absolutely positive its your.. as you put it "lemons" in thid dishing out the abuse. Look up the word "hypocritical" thats your that is.

You honestly think that people getting PMd by lemons in thid made people leave ? Really your talking such verbal diarrhea I can see the shit coming out of your nose.

Your argument about the fg scene may have been valid in OF - but that was a long time ago. You obviously have no knowledge what-so-ever about the so called "fg scene" you are just spouting the usual cliche bolox. Being one of the main organisers of "full grps" on Alb Pryd for years, I can tell you this your talkin out of your arse, good and proper.

The type of leetism you mention does not exisit - the criteria for getting into a "leet" PuG or guild grp for a LONG time is just ML10 and have a ToA template. I KNOW - I MADE THE BLOODY GROUPS ! YOU..and Im going to use it cause it so true...You LEMON, your a cluless rep hunting arse licking lemon.

As Septina said, the fg scene was healthy before grps just decided to re-roll avalon, a lot of respect between the fg scene across the realms exisited. What happened ? the irc fg scene rerolled avalon, triple the population. The TT thing was the nail in the coffin. I repeat again...NOTHING TO DO WITH LEMONS PMing PEOPLE IN THIDRANKI - get it ??????????????

 

[Bonehead]

...

I feel like I have played the game for nothing, thinking about that it may die.

And all we got left, is memories.

But we have wasted maybe 5years for nothing?

...

Hehe, this is what i think of school. All it means to me is few memories. Otherwise it was just waste of quality time..

15 years, for nothing ..

 

[Imgormiel]

"
"My dad could kick your dads ass!"
"I'm telling!"

Sure you didn't mean ...."Your Momma? etc".........

 

[censi]

its hardly abuse though is it saying something bad to someone... its like if u stick a swear word in it will get modded out...

this isnt about people getting upset with abuse... this is people not liking being called shit or lame etc.. because in their opinion they are not lame and this undermines and discredits everything they do thereafter. thats what peeps dont like

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Censi you lemon, come attack my DT DI Botted Merc who is on 10%.

 

[censi]

it was an armsman u newb.

 

[Raven]

Censi you lemon, come attack my DT DI Botted Merc who is on 10%.

you have to drag a DI bot with you? oh my

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

you have to drag a DI bot with you? oh my

He attacked my Armsman that was 10-20%, long time ago though. I IP'ed up and he ran away. I asked him why he did it, he said that he attacks every DI botted dirty tricks Merc near that Beno Tower.

Since then I don't take him too seriously.

 

[Brackus]

He attacked my Armsman that was 10-20%, long time ago though. I IP'ed up and he ran away. I asked him why he did it, he said that he attacks every DI botted dirty tricks Merc near that Beno Tower.

Since then I don't take him too seriously.

I think generally no one takes you seriously tho manisch

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I think generally no one takes you seriously tho manisch

I don't know what to say really, out of words .

 

[Maddam Mim]

love you mani, always have always will

 

[>.< Pooned]

How pointless a pointless thread can be? xD




to be continued......

 

[Golena]

Your saying that people " streaming abuse" to other players killed off the server ??? Now exqueeze me if im wrong - but is it not the "fg" crowd that has left ? So please do tell, are they screaming abuse to each other ? erm no... You make no sense at all.

The full group crowd left because of a lack of decent fights, they got bored fighting the same 2 groups over and over again. If you really think the server went from perfectly healthy to dead in one week because a few FG guilds left then try again. Just because you are once again failing to see the problem, it's not my fault. People leave a game over time, that's normal and doesn't kill the server unless there's no-one new coming in, which is exactly the case with the english cluster. Now why does every other server in the world have new players starting, yet 90% of the english cluster has an elder title.

You obviously have never played any other mmorpgs - random abuse from players is common place. Oh and Mr genius - please tell me what the hell the "leet" guys are doing in Thidranki ???? Im pretty sure, heck Im absolutely positive its your.. as you put it "lemons" in thid dishing out the abuse. Look up the word "hypocritical" thats your that is.

I've played plenty of other MMORPG's, i've also played on other servers, and I can assure you that the level of abuse given to people "just playing the game" is infinately less than it was here 6 months ago. Yeah if you go out to piss off other people, or start pulling their mobs in PvE then you'll get abuse, but not just for playing. It's the abuse given to the random casual player who has no idea what he was doing was wrong that's the problem, not the bickering that goes on here. I assume you think everyone that plays in thid is a lemon.. Fair enough, carry on being leet and all. Maybe you could draw up a list of what makes you a lemon, the rough definition from what I understand is "anyone who isn't my mate", funny that you then go on to argue that this attitude died with OF. hmmm yeah right!

You honestly think that people getting PMd by lemons in thid made people leave ? Really your talking such verbal diarrhea I can see the shit coming out of your nose.

Just because you couldn't care less doesn't make it not true. I've talked to at least 3 people who left because of abuse given by people in the BG's. How many actual new players (under 2 weeks playing) have you talked to in the last year? Most people play a game to have fun.. If their first experience of that game is being shouted at for trying to do what it said in the manual, and called a lame adder, why should they stick around after the free trial, instead of going to a more friendly environment. The simple truth is the people putting up with the crap on the english cluster at the moment are people who are addicted to the game, or log on because their mates are here.

Your argument about the fg scene may have been valid in OF - but that was a long time ago. You obviously have no knowledge what-so-ever about the so called "fg scene" you are just spouting the usual cliche bolox.

So maybe you want to go ask all the people stood around in snowdonia at the moment how many of them have been invited to a guild group in the last 5 months to go run in agramon. I'm guessing the percentage is going to be smaller than your (I would say arguing, but it's actually more like blabbering) here. Yeah some people get invited into pugs but if you actually bothered to read you'll notice that that's not what I said. I've been in plenty of groups in the last 6 months that have disbanded and not bothered to run simply because inviting some random seemed too painful. Yeah i'm sure that's made me part of the problem, but the reason people don't invite randoms is because so few of them have any clue what they are doing in FG RvR. Why is that? Because they never get invited in the first place to learn.

As Septina said, the fg scene was healthy before grps just decided to re-roll avalon, a lot of respect between the fg scene across the realms exisited. What happened ? the irc fg scene rerolled avalon, triple the population. The TT thing was the nail in the coffin. I repeat again...NOTHING TO DO WITH LEMONS PMing PEOPLE IN THIDRANKI - get it ??????????????

I've highlighted the very important bit here.. Triple the population, really? And why do you think that is? I can tell you exactly why it is. It's because 2/3 of the english cluster jacked it in within 2 months. Please tell me how many genuinly new players you've asked why they wern't going to continue. If that answer is over 3 then i'll take you even semi-seriously. Until then i'll just assume that you want to run about flaming people some more because your running out of people in game to do it to. Fair enough, call me a lemon all you want. I couldn't care less. Many people when faced with exactly the attitude you've just shown would go to a game where people like you didn't come up and scream in their face while they were doing it however.


Frankly you've pretty much made my point for me. Disagreeing with the "FG crowd" which you seem to be so involved in gets that kind of pathetic and whiny response every time, deserved or not. At the end of a days work then people simply can't be bothered spending their free time putting up with kids that feel the need to run round screaming LEMON at people. Yeah there's lots of players that suck at the game and need to add on anything to get realm points. Now lets all bow down to the people that picked up the game and were instantly RR10 and only ever ran solo looking for fair fights from day 1, like Censi for example... oh wait. Yeah there's limited challenge or lastability in just zerging stuff, but believe it or not, for the first month or 2 you play, it is actually fun. Well it would be if not for the people yelling "well added" or worse everytime you tried to kill something.

 

[>.< Pooned]

whats the point of reputation open to all when u get it all golena? xD

+1!

 

[CstasY]

I'd love to laugh and say, you've made your bed, now go cry in it - But I won't.

...

Ok, I will.

Hahahahahahaha!

In all honesty though, I had some good times playing DAoC. I met some fab people who I still regularly talk to on vent and msn and had some of the best moments of my gaming days running around with 7 others and a headset on. Just a pitty we all got pushed out by the randoms.

All good things come to an end.

 

[knighthood]

The community in this game, is the worse I have ever have to deal with..

lol guess u not played guild wars then

And Golena , im glad someone makes sense for a change . if i repped people id rep u , but i dont so meh

 

[Britin]

I read Golena's response and I thought thats exactly how it is. Why would any new player want to stay on Pryd/Excal, how the 'experts' and the 'elite' have ruined this game. Then i smiled as i saw his signature, and i thought that explained it ...he saw the light . For the very reason i left the EU and went to US i have found renewed life in the game, where i actually enjoy answering those nooby questions in the nooby guild, where players actually still grp up at all levels and are civil to each other, and where i am yet to find a FH equivilent, where a thread is started and ends up a bitching, whinning ....'its not fair!!!' session.

TBH good luck to all that stay in EU because it's much nicer on the US

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Or you could ignore all the assholes and go on .

 

[censi]

yer because like in 3 years of the game you never mistaken one class for another in the heat of battle, mr pro. u been wanking about it ever since. I was pissed at the time as well iirc.

 

[thergador]

repped for Golena