DAoC, population. Requiel post here aswell.

[Bracken]

I find it hard to believe that the abuse towards random people who claim not to add is that bad, but if it is its sad, no excuses for that. As I told u before, the people I dislike are the ones who wants no adds 1 day, and adds themselves the next day.

The point I tried to make in the previous post was that this game isnt really superfast, most people should be able to see a 1 on 1 and leave the people to finish the fight, no matter if they recognize the people or not. Its not rocket science. I think its a lack of respect to add on such a fight, but thats my opinion. I fully understand though if u people cant make out if its a fair fight when it starts going up in higher numbers, but 1 on 1 really isnt complicated imo.

The thing is that if I'm solo and just want 1v1s I'll look away from the zergy areas. If I see a 1v1 in a more secluded area then yes it is obvious they are looking for the same so it's easy and I'll let them finish (unless the alb asks me to help but that's another debate). But if I'm in a group and we are running round the zergy areas (as we always do) then the assumption will be that they aren't looking purely for even fights. I've left 1v1s in such areas before and got abuse for not adding - the principle really has to be if you want pure 1v1 (like 8v8) you simply wouldnt hang round a bloody bridge or keep battle.

I completely agree with you about hypocrites who want it any which way however.

I simply cannot believe that you are affected so much by someone you do not know, have never met, never will meet, sending you a PM saying your shit. Its not real - its does not matter, get a grip ffs.

But the pixels that got *interfered* with are real and warrant the sending of abuse to someone sat in their own homes playing a computer game? It's the mentality of the absolute coward (not to mention bloody juvenile) to sit there behind your pc doing shit like that. It's no more acceptable over the internet than it would be in the street. As I've said before, a bloke (or woman) who gets in from a day's work and wants to relax doesn't want to put up with some kid's tantrums. I dunno, maybe it's an age thing.

 

[Zede]

Right but it's not just once, it's not just a random guy telling you how to play, it's day in day out. The people who try and impose their arbitrary rules on the rest of us have been killing this game for years and now we are seeing the fruits of that. Why are you allowed to set rules that disadvantage me but give you an almost guaranteed win? Your idea of a fair fight is a 1v1 or an 8v8. My idea of a fair fight is one where either side has around an even chance to win. When I'm playing my RR2 unbuffed scout, that means usually 2v1 against almost any solo enemy. If I'm playing my RR4 cleric in a low RR pug that probably means 12-16v8 high RR enemies. If you want to farm noobs like me then that's fine, just don't complain when the noobs try and make it fair again. If you want clean fights against other likeminded enemies then there's Agramon and the other 95% of the frontier where we noobs aren't fighting each other.

erm, whats that got to do with people who cry irl when they get a pm telling them they are shit ?

i couldnt care less who adds on who, if you check my 100s of post you wont find one when i whine about adding, zerging, whatever. I just find it absolutely hilarious that (apparently) people stop playing a game because they get pm telling them they are poo. /ignore ftw. lack of mythic advertising killed this server tbh. 2400 online on avalon, 500 hibs in emain. go avalon, adding/zerging/fg/solo/mini grps : all whine free. really its a different game.

 

[Sharkith]

Funny how this only seems to work one way for you guys isn't it!

I dunno about the two way thing. I would know if I could ever figure out who you and bracken are referring to in your posts. Are you talking about me for example? Are you talking about my guildmates like Crom or Mael?

All I can see is that you and Bracken are constructing stories - we normally call them social fictions meaning they are stories made up after a couple of incidents to back up your argument. All of your stories carry no weight for me whatsoever. They are simply fiction of someone who was half pissed when they experienced a bit of abuse.

The irony is that whilst I agree with the sentiment of you and Bracken (that people should always be allowed to play how they like) I do not believe a word you say when you make stories up to support that argument. Or when you both make such ridiculous generalisations. For one my experience of this game was so totally different to the experience you claim the average random noob has.

I mean how the fuck can you sit there and claim that you can speak for them? Were you elected the leader of noob or smgt? Did we all miss a meeting?

How can you or Bracken even have half a clue what the experience of this game is for the so called randoms on the other realms?

No-one ever told me to not add (even when I did). No-one ever told me to fuck off - ever. I have played and do play as a random. I do all this - so who the fuck are you actually talking to? Censi for example has never ever told me to fuck off even when I mashed my way into a couple of his fights by accident.

I am completely at a loss why you guys feel so aggrieved. Maybe some day some random noob soloer told you not to add - fuck me - get over it. Painting all FG players with the same brush - as both of you do every day here is simply wrong and cannot be defended. Painting all the soloers as leetists and people who destroyed cluster is also stupid.

Who is the bogeyman Golena and Bracken? Who are these do called demons you love to hate? Define them and then we will see if they really actually exist.....

 

[Bracken]

All I can see is that you and Bracken are constructing stories...

So because it's never happened to you or any of your friends then it's a fiction? That's the most egocentric thing you've ever posted. I speak only for myself, though I could give you specific examples not just from me but from 4 or 5 close friends who have experienced abuse in game (often on many different occasions). I'm also aware of guild and alliance people who have suffered the same, although their experiences are less direct to me than those of my close friends. I've named names in the past, but as so often the FH k00l crew waded in to stick up for their chums and nothing positive is gained from that. Not that I have to "prove" or demonstrate anything to you. I'm just telling you how it is.

Painting all FG players with the same brush - as both of you do every day here is simply wrong and cannot be defended. Painting all the soloers as leetists and people who destroyed cluster is also stupid.

Do you read anything I actually write. I've said time and time and f*cking time again it is attitude I'm interested in, not the playstyle. There are a number of lovely people who prefer fg fights (Kirennia is a prime example and I've said to you I regard you as a decent bloke). It's an attitude that comes with many who prefer fg fights but by no means all.

As for this crap...

people who cry irl when they get a pm telling them they are shit ?

Nothing to do with cry irl (although I know of atleast 2 people it has affected in that way). A closer description would be utter frustration that you can't punch the silly little twat's lights out. But that's another debate altogether. Bottom line is people don't have to put up with other's tantrums in something which they are doing for fun.

 

[chretien]

Who is the bogeyman Golena and Bracken? Who are these do called demons you love to hate? Define them and then we will see if they really actually exist.....

The prosecution presents exhibit a m'lud.

I'm not sad enough to screenshot every time someone whines at me for adding on their fight or the times I get a PM from some twink after killing their alt on a different realm telling me to get some skills but it happens with depressing regularity. I only RvR in Alb, perhaps Hibs are more laid back and open than us? You can choose not to believe it but it happens.

 

[Sharkith]

So because it's never happened to you or any of your friends then it's a fiction? That's the most egocentric thing you've ever posted. I speak only for myself, though I could give you specific examples not just from me but from 4 or 5 close friends who have experienced abuse in game (often on many different occasions). I'm also aware of guild and alliance people who have suffered the same, although their experiences are less direct to me than those of my close friends. I've named names in the past, but as so often the FH k00l crew waded in to stick up for their chums and nothing positive is gained from that.

I think you misunderstand me. I am asking you straight as I have in PMs to you and as other have done in this very thread. Who or what are you actually talking about?

I see it as a fiction because you often follow up your accusations with a story each time. I mean you could be making this up for all I know. What or who are you talking about Bracken?

As for Chretien - you would have to actually explain why a link to the RvR forums is actually a source of abuse that affects the average 'random' who apparently doesn't even read these forums (so Bracken and others have told us on numerous occasions)....

I mean seriously you need to do better than that to even come close to substantiating this kind of thing.

edit: and your last comment tells the story - you chose to misrepresent the whole server because of your experience on Alb???!! You accused me of driving a wedge between people and yet there you sit doing much worse based on a partial understanding of the game from the point of view of the others (Hibs and Mids) on the server....

 

[Golena]

Really, cry babies lies golena should just fuck off from the game all together.

I simply cannot believe that you are affected so much by someone you do not know, have never met, never will meet, sending you a PM saying your shit. Its not real - its does not matter, get a grip ffs.

Really, flaming clueless idiots like you should just fuck off from the game. I've never been affected by it. I couldn't give the slightest crap about it, I never will. When it happens 50% of the time you try and kill anything (and that wasn't uncommon that long ago) then the people who simply play the game casually are affected by it. They DID fuck off already, which is why cry babies like you are now complaining that there's no-one left on the server.

It is real, and it does matter. If I came into your local pub (i'm assuming your actually old enough to drink at this point which is a bit of a stretch I know) and screamed insults at you for 3 hours everytime you went in there, you'd go find a different pub, or punch me in the face. Since over the game there's no way to punch the people such as yourself who think screaming repeated insults at people is acceptable, then people found a different place to hang out.

Now please, go back to your server and stop complaining that there's not enough people there. They pissed off, you got what you wanted. How about you start enjoying the huge area's of no action that you can have those 1v1's in. After all wasn't other people being around your issue in the first place. If you got what you wanted, what the hell are you still doing crying here!!

 

[Sharkith]

Do you read anything I actually write. I've said time and time and f*cking time again it is attitude I'm interested in, not the playstyle. There are a number of lovely people who prefer fg fights (Kirennia is a prime example and I've said to you I regard you as a decent bloke). It's an attitude that comes with many who prefer fg fights but by no means all.

Yes but time and time again when you post you hit out at people who cannot understand why you are directing comments at them. Can you see what people are trying to say to you?

People take part in multiple RvR 'play styles' you direct comments that seem to accidentally hit on those you don't mean to hit. You need to try and take a bit more care with those comments otherwise people like me will continue to wonder what on earth your driving at.

I have said to you many times through PM's and rep feedback etc. Don't lump people together... I hope you can see what I am driving at - because it has a lot to do with this current thread especially if you take time to re-read and think about those you don't mean to attack....

 

[chretien]

Chretien - you would have to actually explain why a link to the RvR forums is actually a source of abuse that affects the average 'random' who apparently doesn't even read these forums (so Bracken and others have told us on numerous occasions)....

I mean seriously you need to do better than that to even come close to substantiating this kind of thing.

Yeah nerf the edit timer. I realised after I posted that the add whines pretty much got modded into the ground, but come on, don't tell me you can't remember when almost every thread on here degenerated into a giant add flame? Funnily enough the rate of toys leaving prams dropped still further when the main FG players migrated to Avalon. If you've never experienced it ingame then I guess you've been lucky because I certainly have seen it both to me personally and via friends and guildies. If people feel so badly about something that they'll scream about it on a forum - in many cases hours after the fact - what makes you think they'll show restraint on the scene while the adrenaline is flowing so to speak?

I'm not sure whatyou mean by your last comment either? Why would I have to play on Hib to get an idea of what Censi (for example) thinks of people like me? Why does the fact that I only RvR at 50 on Alb mean that I'm not aware of how people in other realms view things? Like I said, on multiple occasions I've had someone from mid or hib log in an alb twink to rant at me for killing their main. I imagine that if I'd been playing their relam at the time and added I'd just have saved them the trouble of relogging to vent their spleens. I'm capable of reading the posts that people make on these forums and I'm capable of deducing the motivations and mindsets of the poster based on what they say. I can't see why you're assuming I am automatically blind to that?

 

[Bracken]

I think you misunderstand me. I am asking you straight as I have in PMs to you and as other have done in this very thread. Who or what are you actually talking about?

Jesus Christ Shark, have you read anything I've posted? I'm talking about individuals who pm other people with abuse for "adding" in one of their fights (which are invariably in zergy areas/routes as that is where I and my friends rvr - NEVER in Agramon, which we purposely left alone for fg action). There are also examples of people pm'ing friends with abuse for taking certain towers. Clear enough? If you want names I'm simply not going to - I've done it before and no good comes from it. Incidentally, I have also on occasions had abuse for not adding which is equally bad in my book and I've been just as critical of that in the past. I don't make this shit up - you asked why people are so aggrieved? Isn't it frikking obvious? Why would people who lead successful and contented lives get pissed off enough to take issue with people on an internet forum? Because we are fed up at putting up with shit over a long period of time in something we simply do for relaxation.

 

[Maeloch]

Not read all this, but dunno how a discussion about server pop again becomes a FGer vs zerger thing. If anything the last few months b4 everyone started drifting off to other servers, with agramon used for fg fights, the two camps finally(!!) managed to - if not get along - at least keep out of each others way. I don't see how any clash of playstyles has anything to do with declining player pop from that PoV. Main point of grief nowadays I guess is between soloers and the 'zergers' not particularly the FGs.

 

[Golena]

You accused me of driving a wedge between people and yet there you sit doing much worse based on a partial understanding of the game from the point of view of the others (Hibs and Mids) on the server....

I've personally never accused you of driving a wedge between anyone unless you do run about screaming at people, i'm going to assume from your responce that this isn't you however. From your posts on this forum you seem to be one of saner people round here trying to bring reason and understanding to stuff. What your doing at the moment is assuming whenever someone mentions complaints about a group that what they are doing is insulting everyone in that group. I know many people who participate in fg RvR, many of those in agramon that wouldn't ever consider pm'ing crap at people. Maybe on hib it's different, on Alb a few months ago simply leaving a keep was likely to get you yelled at by someone however.

It's not that people get horribly upset about it, or effected in real life.. maybe some people do i'm not sure. It's just that it reaches a point where you realise that your spending your free time with people that you dislike. Many people play games like this to make friends. If the people running around are hostile and insulting, why bother at the end of the day.

 

[Outlander]

But we have wasted maybe 5years for nothing?

if you think playing daoc is something product and will gain you something in life, then you are sadly mistaken

ofc we have wasted years lol, you expect a diploma or something for your gaming?

if the game doesnt die then we will just waste even more

 

[Sharkith]

Yeah nerf the edit timer. I realised after I posted that the add whines pretty much got modded into the ground, but come on, don't tell me you can't remember when almost every thread on here degenerated into a giant add flame? Funnily enough the rate of toys leaving prams dropped still further when the main FG players migrated to Avalon. If you've never experienced it ingame then I guess you've been lucky because I certainly have seen it both to me personally and via friends and guildies. If people feel so badly about something that they'll scream about it on a forum - in many cases hours after the fact - what makes you think they'll show restraint on the scene while the adrenaline is flowing so to speak?

Yes I understand now what you mean but this does not affect the 'randoms' Bracken has claimed he represents. Thats what I didn't get.

As for the add whine - it is so old and tbh Shike and Censi are absolutely right - it is poor game design that throws different playstyles together. I have said in the past the duellers really have themselves to blame for camping the same place the so called noobs go. I mean (and agreeing with Bracken) Beno bridge is a silly place to go for duels and yet thats what they did when I was there.

Bracken - sorry but you have not made clear what your about - its why people like Crom have posted asking what on earth you guys are talking about. I mean no offense but your posts are not clear on that point.

I would struggle to find anyone who would agree that whining at people in game is a good idea.

Now can you tell me why most people think your on a totally different side of the fence? Seriously dude I read you very closely (thats a compliment btw ) but I always miss just what or who exactly your talking about.

Sharkith

 

[Sharkith]

I've personally never accused you of driving a wedge between anyone unless you do run about screaming at people, i'm going to assume from your responce that this isn't you however. From your posts on this forum you seem to be one of saner people round here trying to bring reason and understanding to stuff. What your doing at the moment is assuming whenever someone mentions complaints about a group that what they are doing is insulting everyone in that group. I know many people who participate in fg RvR, many of those in agramon that wouldn't ever consider pm'ing crap at people. Maybe on hib it's different, on Alb a few months ago simply leaving a keep was likely to get you yelled at by someone however.

It's not that people get horribly upset about it, or effected in real life.. maybe some people do i'm not sure. It's just that it reaches a point where you realise that your spending your free time with people that you dislike. Many people play games like this to make friends. If the people running around are hostile and insulting, why bother at the end of the day.

I see - but please when you post at least realise that you need to qualify just who it is your driving at. Its almost like you guys are hunting a bogeyman who does not exist because you haven't got the right words to define just who he/she is. Calling him/her by other names like Leetist/FG player/soloer is not helping.

I mean why not call a spade a spade? Abuse is the first big sin and it needs to be stamped out as quickly as people can. Abusive people need to basically be pulled up because they are the ones who put people off playing on your server?

Why call them by a totally different name? Thats what confuses meh!

 

[Golena]

I would struggle to find anyone who would agree that whining at people in game is a good idea.

You have Zede telling all the whiners to get over it and fuck off right here in this thread. While you might struggle to find people that think it's a good idea, you don't need to look far to find people that don't think it's a bad idea which isn't much different.

 

[Golena]

Calling him/her by other names like Leetist/FG player/soloer is not helping.

Fair point.

Guess that in the same way you assumed Bracken was "representing the noobs" instead of himself, it's easy to assume that Censi is "representing the leetist soloers" so you refer to the group incorrectly when replying.

 

[chretien]

Sharkith. If you care to go back through the strata of RvR posts (I really can't be bothered to myself, so you can choose to believe I'm making it up if you prefer - here's a selection to get you started though), I can clearly remember a series of threads where some of the main proponents of 'honourable fights' were saying basically 'I'm entitled to grief you by spamming abuse at you when you add because by adding you're griefing me.'
That's as close to a direct quote as my memory allows. I'm sure that if I wasn't in dire need of sleep I'd be able to find the actual post.

 

[Bracken]

People take part in multiple RvR 'play styles' you direct comments that seem to accidentally hit on those you don't mean to hit.

That may be. But if you actually read what I write (most of the time ) you'll see that it is about the attitude not the playstyle. Take the TT thing - I know I was inflammatory there but one of the things that was missed about that was the initial responses to Muyl firstly in game and then at the start of the thread which were totally uncalled for. Those responses were arrogant and condescending and I reacted to that - and yes some of what I said pushed the boundaries, but the general thrust was about those initial responses and then how those individual's subsequent pleas of what had motivated them didn't add up. Unfortunately the genuine people involved got hit in the cross fire which I'm sorry about - e.g. Kirennia is someone I've known for years and know full well that he is someone who would genuinely act for the community as a whole.

I maintain that I've never set out to flame a person for how they play the game. It's only ever been in response to a shit attitude on their part and if their playstyle gets brought into it then so be it. Heck I've even tried to reach consensus about Agramon and encouraged other "zergers" to leave it well alone. Perhaps if people like you spent more time dealing with those in your own section of the community (because there are clear sections) who undermined the rest of your reputations it would save the likes of me and Golena having to take issue with them. Unfortunately I don't think you'll get any further than anyone else.

Why call them by a totally different name? Thats what confuses meh!

Um I am calling a spade a spade. The nature of their abuse is defined by their playstyle. Indeed it is often how they effectively define themselves. A fg'er who is a tosser is still a fg'er and the nature of (and reason for) their abuse is different from a zerger who is a tosser. So that's how I differentiate them. Anyway, I'm off to bed - I'm tired. Night

 

[Sharkith]

You have Zede telling all the whiners to get over it and fuck off right here in this thread. While you might struggle to find people that think it's a good idea, you don't need to look far to find people that don't think it's a bad idea which isn't much different.

I do not speak for Zede of course he can speak for himself. I am not so sure he is saying it is a bad iade or a good idea. That does appear to be your reading of what he is saying. I didn't see it the same way as you did. It was more a rhetorical response to previous statements.

Fair point.

Guess that in the same way you assumed Bracken was "representing the noobs" instead of himself, it's easy to assume that Censi is "representing the leetist soloers" so you refer to the group incorrectly when replying.

perhaps - but surely the poster has some responsibility to be clear about just who he or she is talking about? No?

 

[Sharkith]

That may be. But if you actually read what I write (most of the time ) you'll see that it is about the attitude not the playstyle. Take the TT thing - I know I was inflammatory there but one of the things that was missed about that was the initial responses to Muyl firstly in game and then at the start of the thread which were totally uncalled for. Those responses were arrogant and condescending and I reacted to that - and yes some of what I said pushed the boundaries, but the general thrust was about those initial responses and then how those individual's subsequent pleas of what had motivated them didn't add up. Unfortunately the genuine people involved got hit in the cross fire which I'm sorry about - e.g. Kirennia is someone I've known for years and know full well that he is someone who would genuinely act for the community as a whole.

The reaction to the initial posts was an over reaction. Thats my view of it. The result was bad for everyone. I don't want to go back over it all. What we have here for me seem to be the final lose ends that need to be cleared up before I do my best to stop trolling here. Both you, Muly and Kinetix amongst others over reacted and that seemed (I have no grounds for this assumption other than GOA's own inconsistency in their direct responses to me through long and detailed pm's) to provoke the GOA intervention.

As a result I find it very hard to log onto toons that I played for over 3 years. Perhaps we could all have communicated better of that I do not doubt but when I see similar issues being repeated I just have to respond.

I maintain that I've never set out to flame a person for how they play the game. It's only ever been in response to a shit attitude on their part and if their playstyle gets brought into it then so be it. Heck I've even tried to reach consensus about Agramon and encouraged other "zergers" to leave it well alone. Perhaps if people like you spent more time dealing with those in your own section of the community (because there are clear sections) who undermined the rest of your reputations it would save the likes of me and Golena having to take issue with them. Unfortunately I don't think you'll get any further than anyone else.

Sorry Bracken I did try - I actually levelled a solo class and fully templated him to try and understand the solo thing. Most of the bogeymen you are driving at are actually soloers/duellers. I spent months playing that style to see why it was so frustrating. In the end - it was game design.

I should have listened to Shike. At least we can chat in Eve now.

As for the axe your grinding - there is a line when you end up grinding an even worse and bigger axe. You might see yourself as some kind of internet vigilante against ignorance. So be it. But in your crusade you definitely risk damaging innocent bystanders. I think your big enough to see that.

Um I am calling a spade a spade. The nature of their abuse is defined by their playstyle. Indeed it is often how they effectively define themselves. A fg'er who is a tosser is still a fg'er and the nature of (and reason for) their abuse is different from a zerger who is a tosser. So that's how I differentiate them. Anyway, I'm off to bed - I'm tired. Night

This is your flaw and fundamental contradiction. You need to think this bit through because it is actually your inconsistency not mine. Just to point it out:

Jesus Christ Shark, have you read anything I've posted? I'm talking about individuals who pm other people with abuse for "adding" in one of their fights (which are invariably in zergy areas/routes as that is where I and my friends rvr - NEVER in Agramon, which we purposely left alone for fg action).

Now should you call them an ignorant bastard or a FG player? Which description is more accurate?

 

[Kinetix]

You misread - i was enquiring if there was a particular problem on alb with people being overly aggressive to you and muy (your names sprung to mind), in an attempt to understand the seemingly heavily poloarised views with the discussion thread brought up about how people don't seem to recognise a middle way. That was within my experience of hib, where I personally havent had any real problems from anyone over my entire time playing.

I was trying to cap my empathy

I'd also be interested in seeming some screenies of these ingame verbal abuses, im assuming you all have lots of them as they are/were so prevalent. At the very least it would provide some entertainment.

<hugs> :worthy:

 

[tribute]

I hate thinking of that this game is going down.

Maybe die.

hahahahaha.. muahaha!! heehee

IT DIED AGES AGO!!!!

 

[Behmoth]

Amusing to see all the zergers/adders saying its the people that respect other players and dont zerg down everything in sight for every ounce of rps that are destroying the game.
But ofc, its against the spirit of the game not to attack ENEMIES!!1111 IF ITS RED ITS DED OSV!111111111111

Sure, the game has changed loads the last 2 years or so, but in my book it's changed for the better. The mutual respect that some players and most fg's show to eachother is one of the things that makes this game such a good game in my opinion.
Mindless zerging and adding to milk out as many rps as you can might be fun for some people but thats not the way i and many others want to play this game.

Quite amusing to hear the crowd playing 'the way its supposed to be played' calling the fg'ers and soloers rp horny elitist bastards when infact its the people that want fair fights that are passing on rps to get just that, fair and even fights.

lol says thr rr10+. funney how these guys used to add on everyone until they beleive there own bullshit. now they say "don't add ". when their pov changes everyone elses pov should change also?

why is the most active alliance in hib having so much fun still yet censi's gang are all quiting or going elsewhere?

 

[Septina]

lol says thr rr10+. funney how these guys used to add on everyone until they beleive there own bullshit. now they say "don't add ". when their pov changes everyone elses pov should change also?

why is the most active alliance in hib having so much fun still yet censi's gang are all quiting or going elsewhere?

There you go, you seem to need it.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Fair fights *cough*.

 

[Bracken]

Now should you call them an ignorant bastard or a FG player? Which description is more accurate?

They are both - which makes both descriptions accurate.

The rest of your post says to me you just don't get it. You're painting me as a villain for taking issue with people who piss alot of people off with their attitude (even making out that I'm making it all up) - and yet you say you see nothing wrong in what, for example, Zede posts. To me that makes you a part of the problem - you're constantly berating me (and others) saying I am tarring you all with the same brush without ever taking issue with those you may be in a position to influence.

 

[Zede]

Really, flaming clueless idiots like you should just fuck off from the game. I've never been affected by it. I couldn't give the slightest crap about it, I never will. When it happens 50% of the time you try and kill anything (and that wasn't uncommon that long ago) then the people who simply play the game casually are affected by it. They DID fuck off already, which is why cry babies like you are now complaining that there's no-one left on the server.

It is real, and it does matter. If I came into your local pub (i'm assuming your actually old enough to drink at this point which is a bit of a stretch I know) and screamed insults at you for 3 hours everytime you went in there, you'd go find a different pub, or punch me in the face. Since over the game there's no way to punch the people such as yourself who think screaming repeated insults at people is acceptable, then people found a different place to hang out.

Now please, go back to your server and stop complaining that there's not enough people there. They pissed off, you got what you wanted. How about you start enjoying the huge area's of no action that you can have those 1v1's in. After all wasn't other people being around your issue in the first place. If you got what you wanted, what the hell are you still doing crying here!!

Im probably old enough to be your dad young lady. Leave the stories until bed time please ? As for the pub thing, i'd call a couple of hard, pipe-hittin' ******s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', lemon ? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.

 

[Septina]

Have i missed the point here completely? Isnt it 99% of the 'elitist bastards' that has moved server to Avalon? :x

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Have i missed the point here completely? Isnt it 99% of the 'elitist bastards' that has moved server to Avalon? :x

"The leet people and the whiners fucked off, now we have FG fun at Agramon." 2-3 weeks later the people saying that left too.