DAoC, population. Requiel post here aswell.

[Raven]

most of the people that do play nicely have left the server so don't really see what the problem is, its one nice big sandbox for zergers now, should be heaven.

btw folks, if you don't like it you can leave, lvl 50, ml10 fully equipped on one toon, lvl 50 ml4 fully equipped on another in less than a month, really isn't as hard as you would imagine to move to where the rvr suits you. Also double exp in SI/frontier (not sure if poc counts) so modernagrav is disgusting exp, 5-50 in about 10-12 hours (hunter has less than 2 days played and is 50, ml4, all artefacts lvl10 and after CO5 tonight will be CL5)

don't stay on excal/pryd and complain if you don't like it, let them zerg it up in peace

 

[psyco]

ok, like usual a thread within the RvR Discussion has turned to flames, i would actully know what will happen once the server propperly dies, but now you guys fucked it up and we wont get a reply

well fucking done

 

[Raimo]

ok, like usual a thread within the RvR Discussion has turned to flames, i would actully know what will happen once the server propperly dies, but now you guys fucked it up and we wont get a reply

well fucking done

Clustering with an US server would be nice

 

[Aqe]

Amusing to see all the zergers/adders saying its the people that respect other players and dont zerg down everything in sight for every ounce of rps that are destroying the game.
But ofc, its against the spirit of the game not to attack ENEMIES!!1111 IF ITS RED ITS DED OSV!111111111111

Sure, the game has changed loads the last 2 years or so, but in my book it's changed for the better. The mutual respect that some players and most fg's show to eachother is one of the things that makes this game such a good game in my opinion.
Mindless zerging and adding to milk out as many rps as you can might be fun for some people but thats not the way i and many others want to play this game.

Quite amusing to hear the crowd playing 'the way its supposed to be played' calling the fg'ers and soloers rp horny elitist bastards when infact its the people that want fair fights that are passing on rps to get just that, fair and even fights.

Its not the play itself that hurts. It is the name calling and down talking done that is the problem. If everyone played as they thought where most fun and let everyone play the way they wanted even if it didnt fit perfectly with their own feelings the game would still be good.

The FG/Solo crew always use the argument that "the zergers" playstyle is ruining their game experience.

"The zergers" argument is that the downtalking from the FG/solo people is ruining their game experience.

Thing is that "the zergers" is actualy the majority of players. They could also easy go side by side with the FG/Solo. It doesnt hurt a zerg if a fg tries to kill them its just part of the fight.

The zergers however is always forced to endure the constant nagging and flaming from the FGers as the fgers just cant stop running to and searching up the "free rps" from the zerg.

Now as the majority of players is in the zerger category and they are actualy the ones that just cant change the situation without stopping to play the game the way they think its fun they quit.
Leaving a empty server that the FG/Solo crew doesnt like to play on so they leave.

The FG could have (to late now) always gone to a designated zone like agramon and fight out there, so could the soloers that never happened becouse there where either to few enemies so you got rare fights or you got to hard fights.

/edit: The vocal community on the forums either was from the start or been "brainwashed" into beliving and agreeing to the FG/Solo playstyle.
I also like the FG/Solo much better than zerging, however i have never ever been so selfish that i started flaming those that didnt play as me.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Pointless thread.

 

[Septina]

Its not the play itself that hurts. It is the name calling and down talking done that is the problem. If everyone played as they thought where most fun and let everyone play the way they wanted even if it didnt fit perfectly with their own feelings the game would still be good.

The FG/Solo crew always use the argument that "the zergers" playstyle is ruining their game experience.

"The zergers" argument is that the downtalking from the FG/solo people is ruining their game experience.

Thing is that "the zergers" is actualy the majority of players. They could also easy go side by side with the FG/Solo. It doesnt hurt a zerg if a fg tries to kill them its just part of the fight.

The zergers however is always forced to endure the constant nagging and flaming from the FGers as the fgers just cant stop running to and searching up the "free rps" from the zerg.

Now as the majority of players is in the zerger category and they are actualy the ones that just cant change the situation without stopping to play the game the way they think its fun they quit.
Leaving a empty server that the FG/Solo crew doesnt like to play on so they leave.

The FG could have (to late now) always gone to a designated zone like agramon and fight out there, so could the soloers that never happened becouse there where either to few enemies so you got rare fights or you got to hard fights.

/edit: The vocal community on the forums either was from the start or been "brainwashed" into beliving and agreeing to the FG/Solo playstyle.
I also like the FG/Solo much better than zerging, however i have never ever been so selfish that i started flaming those that didnt play as me.

Shows exactly how much you know about what you're talking about.
The last months before everyone migrated to avalon was probably the busiest months in Agramon history on this cluster but more and more people quit or moved to other servers and that's that.

No matter how people play the 'elitist bastards' and the 'spirit of the game' players will never get along and its quite pointless flaming eachother about it.

 

[Angriff Brightblade]

What will actully happen Requiel?

Will the game be gone forever, when the population goes down?

No, GoA will hire some chinese players to play with you. For real.

I feel like I have played the game for nothing, thinking about that it may die.

Yeah, 5 years of fun mean nothing. Do you feel like the same when you finish a game on PlayStation, Xbox or whatever?

And all we got left, is memories.

/cry

But we have wasted maybe 5years for nothing?

Oh I thought you were joking but I was wrong, yeah matey, 5 years of having fun mean nothing, so sad... What did you expect? 80 years with your char? Would that make you feel better? You'll have to move to another game and it will be as if you create a new toon on DAoC start from 0.

Everyone here has supported the game.

Orly? and everyone will leave it, believe it.

About everyone has up to 2-4 accounts each.

5 years playing DAoC with only one account

And I'm not touching warhammer.
wowish, cartoonish, retardish, it is just not Dark Age of Camelot.

Aw then go to another game, or just stay in DAoC and play "hide and seek" with your realm's king .

 

[Tilda]

I think Vanguard looks sexeh!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Hehehehe.

 

[trycorn]

Its not the play itself that hurts. It is the name calling and down talking done that is the problem. If everyone played as they thought where most fun and let everyone play the way they wanted even if it didnt fit perfectly with their own feelings the game would still be good.

but its ok 4 the "zergers" (ur words not mine...) to downtalk to me when im solo cos i dont help, cos belive it or not, have been flamed loads cos of that, and i dont tend to flame any1 ingame...

The FG/Solo crew always use the argument that "the zergers" playstyle is ruining their game experience.

"The zergers" argument is that the downtalking from the FG/solo people is ruining their game experience.

thing is "the zergers" actualy do ruin the fg/solo ppls gameplay, and not to defend the fg ppl, but most dont get adds as they go agramon (when that was filled with "zergers" and adding fg's, most went to other zone's but was whined @ cos it was "arranged fights") there 4 dont talk down to "zergers"...
however the abuse might be true in solo fights but as i said before its more common to me to be the other way around...

Thing is that "the zergers" is actualy the majority of players. They could also easy go side by side with the FG/Solo. It doesnt hurt a zerg if a fg tries to kill them its just part of the fight.

idd, thats how the game is meant to be played, no ?

The zergers however is always forced to endure the constant nagging and flaming from the FGers as the fgers just cant stop running to and searching up the "free rps" from the zerg.

and the FG/solo crowd however is allways forced to endure the constant nagging and flaming from the zergers as the zerges tries to force the playstyle of a WAR apon the fg/solo crowd...

Now as the majority of players is in the zerger category and they are actualy the ones that just cant change the situation without stopping to play the game the way they think its fun they quit.
Leaving a empty server that the FG/Solo crew doesnt like to play on so they leave.

wtf ? howcome "zergers" dont like it atm ?? they dont have many fixed fgs running around screaming, they can add all they want and have fun the way they want... it was the FG ppl that left 4 US cos they didnt like it here, not the other way around... however now the zerges whine about fg's leaving and saying it was their fault the server is declineing...

The FG could have (to late now) always gone to a designated zone like agramon and fight out there, so could the soloers that never happened becouse there where either to few enemies so you got rare fights or you got to hard fights.

wow so what is all those agramon night's posts 4 then ?? they didnt do em to start off agramon cos every body went there and they just went around and got good fights in other places. and lol @ solo ppl going to agramon, to few enemies and to far from anything to be worth it... and about hard fight's, no mostly ppl want hard fight's, i know i would rather die to a good opponent and had fun fighting, than getting added on all the time tbh...

/edit: The vocal community on the forums either was from the start or been "brainwashed" into beliving and agreeing to the FG/Solo playstyle.
I also like the FG/Solo much better than zerging, however i have never ever been so selfish that i started flaming those that didnt play as me.

hmm, maybe its something more of the lines of, realiseing the game offers soo much more on a higher lvl than it did just random attacking whatever was in front of u...

 

[trycorn]

ok, like usual a thread within the RvR Discussion has turned to flames, i would actully know what will happen once the server propperly dies, but now you guys fucked it up and we wont get a reply

well fucking done

sry but the chanses any1 that actualy had a clue about what is gonna happend when the english cluster hits rock bottom is gonna be close to 0%

first, i doubt any1 4 sure knows what is gonna happend, as the server is still kicking and there4 its prob not on the drawing board just yet...

second, u would prob be better of reading the news on the website as thats prob the first place they announce it when they know 4 sure...

 

[Aqe]

I think Vanguard looks sexeh!

Well i get the feeling the coders isnt that good. The game is 18 GB!! big and nothing in the game can justify such a size except bad coding. The system requirements is much higher than daoc but the graphics is worse/same.

 

[Ucallme]

They should do this to be honest...

Just have ONE RvR zone for all Servers and just keep mainlands as they are e.g: Keep what ever cluster there is.

That ofcourse is just my opinion and im sure it can be achieved with todays technology.

Atleast this way RvR will be busy 100% of the time no matter where you go.

All the above would solve everything to be honest

Amphrax

 

[Aqe]

They should do this to be honest...

Just have ONE RvR zone for all Servers and just keep mainlands as they are e.g: Keep what ever cluster there is.

That ofcourse is just my opinion and im sure it can be achieved with todays technology.

Atleast this way RvR will be busy 100% of the time no matter where you go.

All the above would solve everything to be honest

Amphrax

FG/Soloers wouldnt find a spot to fight.

 

[Corran]

In my mind this thread is a waste of time. I belief this because as of now nobody knows what will happen when the population gets to low to be a viable option. Requiel recently stated that they do not know what they will do but options are being discussed and as of yet it isnt actually an issue (see general discussion forum for post which i believe is previously linked in this thread)

I played the game in many styles, the problem is you cant put it down to any one thing that has stopped people playing the game. The most important thing to look at is the difference between the clusters. Certain ones are absolutely thriving still and they can cope with all play styles because they got so many playing on it, whereas you look at the english cluster and the population is low enough that the two main playstyles (casual zergers and elite players "FG's/solo only people") cant each have their way and are forced to congragate in similar area.

Now each group is as bad as the other for putting down the other, you see it here often. Yes the "fg" crowd seem to be the worst however that mainly because of the fact this board is made up of more of them then the zergers, or rather they just more vocal. In game each can be as bad as the other for flaming people, however fg crowd seem worse because if you interupt their fight you will get 8 people flame you instead of just one.

The game in the old days could put up with all the playstyles, in the old days i could rotate from solo, fg and zerging/keep taking without any trouble. When you did that people would repsect the play style you doing at that point in time and not judge you on what you previously done. Now you are linked to a single playstyle by certain players and so they will treat you as such always.

Other problem is that everyone is a hypocrite. They say one thing then act differently. FG crowd kill a solo person (stating "they may add on our fight") then complain when someone zergs them even though odds still not as bad as the 8:1 they gave te solo person.

Anyways, im rambling shit as normal. Basically we seen it here already with the like of Censi trying to blame a certain playstyle for the dying server. Tip to people that trying to just pick a single reason, open your eyes to the big picture. The game is old and people growing up, as such theychange priorities and games fall down that list, they done everythin they can and want new things, they are bored with this game simply because they played it so long, friends previously left and they got no reason to stay, they dont like portions of community, they dont like the company that runs the game, etc etc.

 

[psyco]

sry but the chanses any1 that actualy had a clue about what is gonna happend when the english cluster hits rock bottom is gonna be close to 0%

first, i doubt any1 4 sure knows what is gonna happend, as the server is still kicking and there4 its prob not on the drawing board just yet...

second, u would prob be better of reading the news on the website as thats prob the first place they announce it when they know 4 sure...

well untill its critical there not going to release the plans on the webpage, requiel may be able to tell us in advance

 

[Fahdlan]

well I just thought he might had some answers he could share.

cause I would like to know.

well that was it then.

 

[Tilda]

Aqe, check PM's

 

[trycorn]

well untill its critical there not going to release the plans on the webpage, requiel may be able to tell us in advance

rightnow is ya friend, if they wont post it on their website, i rly doubt they r gonna post it on fh...

 

[Vodkafairy]

why the fuck would everything be for nothing if they close daoc down? the only thing you'll ever get from a game like this is friends and memories. you want a RL memorial with all names of the last active daoc players carved on it or sth?

such a silly thread.

 

[censi]

Who are you, to talk about doorstepping censi? you cause doorstepping 75% of you fights on your vids are on a dam bridge lol

I would say about 95% of my runs are in enemy territory, and the footage in my vids (funnily enough) is about 95% in enemy territory. (latest tonfa movie had 2 fights on bryna out of around 20-30 fights total iirc which is > 95%)

So if your going to try and use my vids as evidence of something at least pick something which supports your statement rather than disproves it...

NB1. theres also relativly few bridge fights too compared to some vids I see which is almost exclusivly bridge fights.

NB2. If say as a mid your camping crau bridge. That aint doorstepping you numbnut. Doorstepping is where you RVR in your own territory because theres little chance of dying and if you do die its 15 seconds rebuff to get back out there. (Aka what you do)

 

[censi]

Its not the play itself that hurts. It is the name calling and down talking done that is the problem. If everyone played as they thought where most fun and let everyone play the way they wanted even if it didnt fit perfectly with their own feelings the game would still be good.

The FG/Solo crew always use the argument that "the zergers" playstyle is ruining their game experience.

"The zergers" argument is that the downtalking from the FG/solo people is ruining their game experience.

Thing is that "the zergers" is actualy the majority of players. They could also easy go side by side with the FG/Solo. It doesnt hurt a zerg if a fg tries to kill them its just part of the fight.

The zergers however is always forced to endure the constant nagging and flaming from the FGers as the fgers just cant stop running to and searching up the "free rps" from the zerg.

Now as the majority of players is in the zerger category and they are actualy the ones that just cant change the situation without stopping to play the game the way they think its fun they quit.
Leaving a empty server that the FG/Solo crew doesnt like to play on so they leave.

The FG could have (to late now) always gone to a designated zone like agramon and fight out there, so could the soloers that never happened becouse there where either to few enemies so you got rare fights or you got to hard fights.

/edit: The vocal community on the forums either was from the start or been "brainwashed" into beliving and agreeing to the FG/Solo playstyle.
I also like the FG/Solo much better than zerging, however i have never ever been so selfish that i started flaming those that didnt play as me.

yer I can just imagine random lemon no#14567 after a solid night of adding decides he just cant carry on with the game. He must abandon his realm and quit the game for good. The sheer burden of being called an "adder" on an internet forum is plagueing his sensitive conscience... so much so he isnt even getting the same enjoyment when he piles in the post add emotes. it just doesnt feel the same.

damn those leetists pricks for ruining his fun by even the slightest suggestion that he plays the game like a complete cock....

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I know where you are going with your arguement though sweder. not saying your wrong... I think the type of player you are thinking about certainly exists, and doesnt desearve any critism (maybe). But tbh that type of player doesnt generally even read these forums.

either way take critism with a pinch of salt specially when its about daoc. I mean at the end of the day, it is a game, so yer play how you want, but people should not get upset over being labelled or whatever, because... well... who cares. being labelled an adder in an internet mmrpg is about as important as being an adder in an internet mmrpg (both pretty irrelevent in the big scheme of things but I guess reasonably relevent in the scheme of the RVR section of this forum)

 

[pip]

I would say about 95% of my runs are in enemy territory, and the footage in my vids (funnily enough) is about 95% in enemy territory. (latest tonfa movie had 2 fights on bryna out of around 20-30 fights total iirc which is > 95%)

So if your going to try and use my vids as evidence of something at least pick something which supports your statement rather than disproves it...

NB1. theres also relativly few bridge fights too compared to some vids I see which is almost exclusivly bridge fights.

NB2. If say as a mid your camping crau bridge. That aint doorstepping you numbnut. Doorstepping is where you RVR in your own territory because theres little chance of dying and if you do die its 15 seconds rebuff to get back out there. (Aka what you do)

lol if it's not on the bridge the bridge is like still in clip range lol

 

[Coldbeard]

Anyone getting this strange feeling of deja vû ?

 

[Asha]

STOP SAYING LEMON, you're making baby jesus cry

 

[swords]

Every time you say lemon, I kill a kitten

 

[Arethir]

 

[Golena]

Playing more than one realm is fine. Previously people used to play different realms on different servers tho. Trying to say that having so many people with toons on both sides of the fence didn't really hurt the "realm spirit" is just foolish. The game does need that realm spirit to survive, one of the reasons that relic raids are so hated nowadays is because suddenly 50% of the popualtion vanishes to the other realm whenever one is taken and RvR becomes crap for weeks, something that just didn't happen in the old days.

The FG mentality, I want fair fights didn't kill off the server. When lord chancelor melon Censi gets it through his thick skull that not adding wasn't the problem, but the streams of abuse that these players gave to anyone not jumping on their honour bandwaggon that caused the problem. Go into the game and try and find anyone that hasn't been playing for over a year. On other servers i've run into new players regularly, on the English cluster, a newbie just didn't exist, and having talked to a few new players they were all shocked when they arrived all happy at Thid only to be sworn at, abused and told to get f*cked and went to find a better game.

The "lemons" are what keeps the game alive. Sure, you can have people who have played for a long time, and take it too seriously just to go out and have fun with their mates. Most people don't care if they are pushing their char to the max and getting every point of ability out of it, they just want to group up with their mates and have a laugh in the evening after work. But without them the server becomes a very quiet place, where the l33t kids just whine about lack of variety in fights.. The fact you have a lack of variety seems to shock you every time as well, despite the fact that you've driven away everyone that didn't fit into your small circle of mates to begin with.
People whine that there's not enough 8v8 groups out, but the idea of inviting someone into your 7 man group that you don't know is so horrifying that you would rather just log off instead and do something else if your 8th member doesn't turn up. The simple rules of cause and effect seem completely lost on so many people here, it's actually scary. Everyone started off an adding noob, and getting the new ones to quit the game during the first few months so they never get the drive to actually go solo or get into the fg scene is what's killed the cluster, nothing else.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Same bullshit different thread with the usual whiners involved.

Nice post Golena.

 

[OohhoO]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Golena again.