Cm Guild Forum

[Cadelin]

You're failing to listen to people. It was a contributing factor (amoung several). You are refusing to except the reason why AC raids particularly affected Duvet, even when people who were actually affected by them tell you otherwise.

I am reading what they write but just because a few people are whining on FH doesn't mean its correct. Nobody has given a proper reason why AC raids affected Dyvet more than other servers.

So far you have tried two different arguments:
1) The population was low
2) CM did AC raids
3) Mid/Hib couldn't take them back because of the low population and left

In this situation CM aren't to blame for the low population.


1) AC raids make people stop playing
2) CM did AC raids
3) Mid/Hibs left

If this were true then the population of servers like Limors would be just as bad because they have constant AC raids going on as well.

 

[Raven]

on other servers there are pve relic raids, granted, not every single morning after a proper raid though.

You idiots brought the low populations on yourselves.

selfowned?

 

[Zexxeh]

CM left daoc are good news for Dyvet indeed.

 

[Cadelin]

on other servers there are pve relic raids, granted, not every single morning after a proper raid though.

You idiots brought the low populations on yourselves.

selfowned?

lol have you played Limors? The Mids there have AC raided 4 relics in one night....

 

[aika]

on other servers there are pve relic raids, granted, not every single morning after a proper raid though.

You idiots brought the low populations on yourselves.

selfowned?

on Limors relics change hands almost daily, a lot of that at like 4 am, yet population there is x5 times the population of Dyvet.

 

[Everz]

lol have you played Limors? The Mids there have AC raided 4 relics in one night....

you dont seem to realise limors has the players to cope with that.. dyvet didnt..

 

[Coldbeard]

you dont seem to realise limors has the players to cope with that.. dyvet didnt..

His posts suggests that there is a whole lot he doesn't seem to realize.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

Point of the situation was CM continued to AC Relics/Keeps at early hours of the morning even with population fading from server they just made it worse by continually doing the AC even when 90% of the server was telling them it was detrimental to the server but CM being as they were they thought they knew best same as with the TT situation.

People continually left the server notice I say Server and not game because it was evident that when this server population in early hours was low CM would take Relics/Keeps when during evening when population was at a max CM wouldn't do shit until people had logged.This then caused the affect why bother RvRing on a server when these pricks would spoil most of any RvR situation by they actions same thing day in day out in end becomes monitinous people get bored and what something fresh not something that CM seemed to want to control everything that happens RvR wise and as we are now seeing was pointless.

With Limors even in early mornings tho relics do change there is a population that can defend Dyvet never got that so people in end say why Fuck bother and look for something new.

If CM have left Server it good news for all and hopefully they take Horner with them as these people didn't give a Fuck for Alb only themselves with they actions infact if you talked to every Alb playing and ask how many RR they be on they probably look at you funny and say "what the fuck is a Relic Raid" as these people were very selfish in only taking these things and keeps without they realm so tbh if you an alb I start picking up an instruction book and learn now what Relics are about and raiding them.

Soulja (Member of the CM hate Club)

 

[Eleasias]

difference between a limors and a dyvet ac raid is that the limors ac raid will have more people attacking and defending than a dyvet has on a primetime raid.

 

[Xrystofer]

i
hate
you

i'l give you one of the 3 MoZ i have...


























maybe not,sry saitoh

 

[Gahn]

lol have you played Limors? The Mids there have AC raided 4 relics in one night....

lol do u realize that it's quite different when there are 2k pop prime time and relics change hands every other day ...

On topic: one of the best dramas i had the pleasure of reading here, can't stop laughing.

 

[Cadelin]

you dont seem to realise limors has the players to cope with that.. dyvet didnt..

Hmm lets think, when Dyvet was first clustered there would have been easily over 1000 (probably much more) people prime time.

6 Months ago there wasn't enough people on the cluster to defend but it was already dead by then. A year ago there were still quite a few fg running in RvR but it was all but impossible to join the game as a new player.

Compare this to a proper server. Exp groups going for most levels, quests and all kinds of PvE going on, all towers/Keeps always claimed, all types of RvR going on, genuinely new people trying and enjoying the game, a housing zone where you can buy just about anything without having to pay stupid prices.

You don't realize how long Dyvet has been dead for until you see whats going on on properly populated servers.

 

[MegaMaejter]

What you said makes a lovely story but there is nothing to suggest this is true. AC raiding happens just as much on other servers, probably more infact. They are fine. While some people may dislike AC raids its not what killed this server.

Sir please stop baiting ppl, your wasting your time and theirs. This is a 1+2=3 logic that follows a straight line where a affects b leading to c. I know you understand this so just stop baiting its obvious and silly.

For all others, if you think dyvet sucks, go reroll Temair, nice server and easy to ml/eq etc. Took me 2 played days 3 hours on a scout to get lvl 1-50 and ml6 solo, with abit help from some germans in my guild, wich i was invited to after 5 hours online...

Censi go make a scout they r0xbox in 1.88 and is more oped then pre nerf DF infils :england:

 

[Cadelin]

Sir please stop baiting ppl, your wasting your time and theirs. This is a 1+2=3 logic that follows a straight line where a affects b leading to c. I know you understand this so just stop baiting its obvious and silly.

Don't pretend you have any logic. You are just picking somebody you don't like to blame for the death of the server. There were plenty of people on this server a year and a half ago and you have no evidence to prove that AC raids contribute to people leaving anymore than anything else.

If CM had actually left do you see the population of the server increasing? What if they had left a year ago? Do you genuinely believe that the population would be fine now if they had left then?

 

[Carss]

What exactly are you trying to argue cadelin? that CM are good for the server?

 

[Cadelin]

What exactly are you trying to argue cadelin? that CM are good for the server?

That AC raids didn't kill this server and hence CM aren't to blame.


However just because something isn't bad doesn't make it necessarily good either.

 

[Cromcruaich]

I am reading what they write but just because a few people are whining on FH doesn't mean its correct. Nobody has given a proper reason why AC raids affected Dyvet more than other servers.

So far you have tried two different arguments:
1) The population was low
2) CM did AC raids
3) Mid/Hib couldn't take them back because of the low population and left

In this situation CM aren't to blame for the low population.


1) AC raids make people stop playing
2) CM did AC raids
3) Mid/Hibs left

If this were true then the population of servers like Limors would be just as bad because they have constant AC raids going on as well.

Your missing the point again.

I agree, CM arnt soley to blame for the low population - but they were a contributing factor. Like I said, you are failing to a certain extent to look at the detail. Also, there is an argument strand that follows through CM's AC raiding to TT's actions and their subsequent move to Limors.

Hence, without doubt, it did contribute, but you may wish to have a seperate discussion on the degree to which it contributed.

Additionally, think in terms of number, people may well have left limors due to mid ac raids. But if 100 people quit, you wouldnt even notice. Its a small percent of the server, as it affects day to day population numbers, now 100 people quiting from Duvet was a much larger percentage of the players, and unfortunately population decreases are feedback loops. Obviously there were ongoing pop problems anyway at that that time, just starting from a lower base pop made the cluster more sensitive to ongoing pop decreases whatever their causes were.

 

[Cromcruaich]

on Limors relics change hands almost daily, a lot of that at like 4 am, yet population there is x5 times the population of Dyvet.

You see here .. this is the important line on Limors relics change hands almost daily.

 

[Bistrup666]

You see here .. this is the important line on Limors relics change hands almost daily.

I don't think he is getting the point that on Limors there are actually ppl online to defend at night hence it's not just a grp vs guards, and the fact that the relics change so much make relic take less important.

 

[Swed]

CM finally leave this game?

 

[Cromcruaich]

I was trying to think of a useful analagy Cad, think of it in terms of quiting your job.

It might not be the late hours, or the low pay, or the fact that there are no good looking women in the office, or the bad tempered boss, or the fact that you dont get paid overtime, or the small amount of holidays that do it.

Its all of those things that finally push you over the edge. Now as an example, the lack of women may play a very small part, but it could still be a contributing factor.

 

[Cadelin]

I agree, CM arnt soley to blame for the low population - but they were a contributing factor.

You are almost there, now just think a little bit more. They have only been a contributing factor from when the population was ALREADY low. When Prydwen and Excalibur had just been clustered there were plenty of people around.

The server had been dead along time before the TT incident and you can't really blame CM for what either TT or GOA did.


Also having played Limors for 6 months+ now I can't say I remember a time when Mids didn't have some kind of relic bonus. Sure the relics change hands often but its mids who you can be 100% sure will have ACed back their relics the night after they are taken.

 

[Cromcruaich]

You are almost there, now just think a little bit more. They have only been a contributing factor from when the population was ALREADY low. When Prydwen and Excalibur had just been clustered there were plenty of people around.

Did you not read to the bottom of my post where i discuss that lower populations are inherantly more sensitive? Anyhow, it sounds like youve accepted the basic premise that they did contribute to a population decrease, whether or not that was at the time of an already low population or not.

Maybe you want to move on to a discussion about the initial post cluster drops? From the prydwen side it was very close to the disasterous database corruption event, would be interesting to see the proper stats surrounding that dark day.

 

[Cadelin]

I was trying to think of a useful analagy Cad, think of it in terms of quiting your job.

It might not be the late hours, or the low pay, or the fact that there are no good looking women in the office, or the bad tempered boss, or the fact that you dont get paid overtime, or the small amount of holidays that do it.

Its all of those things that finally push you over the edge. Now as an example, the lack of women may play a very small part, but it could still be a contributing factor.

Now continue the analogy a bit further, you get a new job, with fewer women who are even uglier than before. It would be stupid to then say, I quit my old job because there were no attractive women.

Look at other servers, there is masses of AC raiding. There is invariably one realm thats worse than the others and they generally dominate the relic holdings. Whats the difference between me logging off and 8 people taking a relic against no defenders overnight and me logging off and 80 people taking a relic against 20 defenders overnight?

 

[Cadelin]

Did you not read to the bottom of my post where i discuss that lower populations are inherantly more sensitive? Anyhow, it sounds like youve accepted the basic premise that they did contribute to a population decrease, whether or not that was at the time of an already low population or not.

Yes I did read it!

Now repeat after me:

The population was already low, I cannot blame CM for this.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Yes I did read it!

Now repeat after me:

The population was already low, I cannot blame CM for this.

Please respond to my post and enough of the .condecension. I'll take this to mean you have accepted that CM were a contributing factor to continuing demise in the population. And as said, a more useful discussion would perhaps be to discuss the degree of that contribution.

 

[Cadelin]

Please respond to my post and enough of the .condecension. I'll take this to mean you have accepted that CM were a contributing factor to continuing demise in the population. And as said, a more useful discussion would perhaps be to discuss the degree of that contribution.

Which post?

CM were no more a contributing factor than anyone else on this server. You have still yet to present any evidence to show why when there was a decent population the AC raids on Dyvet are any different from AC raids on any other server. Until you do this, you cannot blame CM for the population problems.

So shall we have another example:
We as human are all going to die. (eventually)
We have all at one point played DaoC. (who else would read this thread?)

This does not mean playing DAoC causes death. Now you could argue that playing a MMORPG too much means you are likely to do less exercise and have a poor diet which would contribute to your eventual death. However the reason for your early death is NOT because you played daoc but because you had a poor diet and did no exercise.


The population of all DAoC servers is declining. If CM had never been around at all I don't see the current population of Dvyet being any different from what it is now. There would have still been AC raids, some people would have still left and blamed it on AC raids.

 

[Chance]

You are almost there, now just think a little bit more. They have only been a contributing factor from when the population was ALREADY low. When Prydwen and Excalibur had just been clustered there were plenty of people around.

The server had been dead along time before the TT incident and you can't really blame CM for what either TT or GOA did.

b4 the TT incident there was enough fgs in fg zone on dyvet and at that time is was only Maelstrom (+some others) Our Group and Pulic Enemies that had rolled avalon (if iam not mistaking)

Also this server might have been going downhill for a long time and it was the rerolling fg crew that killed dyvet, but i remember maybe a month ago there were a thread about the FG scene on dyvet and how the fg ppl that were still left should join #agramon.rvr so when Septi made "that" fg night, where he convinced most of the guild grps running atm to join #agramon.rvr and come agramon there was like 10 grps in total signed up, and people started talking about comming back for this kind of nights....

So imo a way to "save" the server would be to start makeing more guild grps and pugs! and make like set nights fx sundays and thursdays so we could have more nights with a lot of grps signed up cause i know then ppl would come back ... i know i would atleast for the fg nights and as said b4 CM is not directly the cause of the declining pop but i guess ppl just get sick of the ACing and not being able to retake the relics cause the alb pop. If you want to compared it to Limors then you cant really talk about AC'ers there since german ppl dont sleep ;<

@taglims story .... quite funny shit if it is a true story then CM and their comrades might wanna have a look at Roll of Honors active character count

 

[Gahn]

That's a nice deaf - blind - dumb discussion by Cadelin.
Playing the three monkeys is a daft game imo.
But whatever floats your boat; reality is: CM and Goa actions drove away ppl from an already suffering Cluster, it's only laughable that CM leaves also cause Goa didn't step in their shoes once in a while.
"Memememe gimme underpop bonus or i'll leave game" ... priceless.

 

[Netcode]

So they aint leaving dyvet then? FFS i was so insane happy had a party and such at my place and now its all a lie uke:

Stop post such much lies about the retards are leaving then