You want the truth?!

[new.Spesh]

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Get the bigger army, win the fight. Don't fight a fight that you cannot win, or try and die and accept your failure. It's the reality of war, both fictional and real (well atleast before we invented long distance missiles and advanced vehicles of war)... deal with it.

Complaining about the other team being more organized and having larger amounts of people (Zeeerging) just makes you look stupid.

It's war baby, if you can't take it like a man go mobhunting (and albs don't do tanglers 'cause they zerg too!!).

So stop the whining allready and organize, if Nolby Pride (that is the guild getting most flames) can do it I bet so could large guilds from albion and hibernia.

It's no fun with zergs you say? Well concidering how many people play this game and thus visit emain it's rediculous to think everyone should just run around in 1 FG or max 2FG... would you do that in a real war, really?

uke: [zerg whiners]

over and out.

 

[old.Icebreaker]

k

 

[Tyka]

k -_-

 

[Skaven]

Someone fell off their potty..

 

[AbPoon]

K ^.^

 

[new.Spesh]

hehe, just as I thought no one can come up with any good reasons as to why they whine on Zerging. I bet 90+ percent just do it because 'everyone else do it'... like some stupid trend thing.
LAFF... please come on...

 

[old.Icebreaker]

k

 

[Tyka]

Ok -_-

 

[alithiel50]

Originally posted by new.Spesh
It's no fun with zergs you say? Well concidering how many people play this game and thus visit emain it's rediculous to think everyone should just run around in 1 FG or max 2FG... would you do that in a real war, really?

Erm, yes..... It's called Guerrilla Warfare.

You have 1 or 2 small units of highly trained and specialised troops who infiltrate enemy territory to disrupt their operations.

This is how FC try to play, as it's much more fun hunting behind enemy lines, cutting off their reinforcements etc.

Admitedly these tactics didn't exist in the Camelot era, but we have the advantage of having seen enough news broadcasts and films to have some idea of how modern warfare works.... and you rarely get huge armys facing off against each other (and probably screaming some very unpleasant insults in "a language you don't understand") any more.

 

[Aussie-]

This one is for you Tzee:

T_T .

 

[old.Laryssa]

sir yes sir

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by new.Spesh
Well concidering how many people play this game and thus visit emain it's rediculous to think everyone should just run around in 1 FG or max 2FG... would you do that in a real war, really?

The battle situations in this game have little to no comparison with a real war. It is a game that involves people working together. The small battles in this game can be either won, lost or avoided. There's a lot of ways to win an encounter -winning being victory: encountering an enemy and coming out alive, while the enemy is defeated- in DaoC. The most effective way is that of numbers. Every tactic will lose if the number of enemies is too big. So the way of bringing the most people (zerging) wins, and thus gets used the most.

However, this game is a MMORPG. You can't win this game. The more you play, the more you'll find that using tactics, given a smaller number - 1-3 fg maybe-, is more satisfying than simply winning a battle because of your numbers. Especially in the long run; you'll find that victory through zerg doesn't leave a lasting sense of satisfaction. And then the game gets boring. And when you quit because you get bored, what will you remember most fondly? The times 100 people flocked together to kill 20 opponents, or the times you worked together with 7 others to outsmart opponents with equal number?

A whining flame post ofcourse doesn't do much to stop people zerging. Whining is bad, just as zerging is ( ;

 

[katt!]

so:

ZERG!

ITS ALL ABOUT "WINNING"!

RPS 4 TEH PPL!

I R 1337!

 

[old.Odysseus]

Admitedly these tactics didn't exist in the Camelot era

Ever heard of Robin Hood?
And we even have a guild called the Merry Men!
Now get to it!!!!

 

[new.Spesh]

Well, it's up to everyone to choose the way the do their warfare ofcourse. It is more fun to work in single groups but then you have to face the fact that you probably will face a larger force.
So knowing this for a fact whining won't help, this is the reality of DAoC warfare. It IS what the game has become, people gather at the TK's they move together (most of them) in order to be able to whack the other large forces moving around.

Whining and moaning wont change this. The only way to go for people who like small group warfare is to go PvP when it arrives. The zerging won't be as noticable, sure some guilds will zerg... but concidering the large area of play (the entire world of daoc) you won't encounter the zergs so often. Atleast this was the case when I played Andred for a little while.

The zerging ain't half as bad as all the whining about the zerg

bring on the

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Originally posted by new.Spesh
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Get the bigger army, win the fight. Don't fight a fight that you cannot win, or try and die and accept your failure. It's the reality of war, both fictional and real (well atleast before we invented long distance missiles and advanced vehicles of war)... deal with it.

Complaining about the other team being more organized and having larger amounts of people (Zeeerging) just makes you look stupid.

It's war baby, if you can't take it like a man go mobhunting (and albs don't do tanglers 'cause they zerg too!!).

So stop the whining allready and organize, if Nolby Pride (that is the guild getting most flames) can do it I bet so could large guilds from albion and hibernia.

It's no fun with zergs you say? Well concidering how many people play this game and thus visit emain it's rediculous to think everyone should just run around in 1 FG or max 2FG... would you do that in a real war, really?

uke: [zerg whiners]

over and out.

So basically u think the game is all about zerging? Ok then so whoever has the most numbers wins? I dont call that a game or fun - yes zerging is a part of the game but it shouldnt be ALL the game - which it currently is in places like emain - hence why i rarely go there.

Oh and to a certain SB who uses the wall bug in emain - i have reported you so i suggest you stop doing it you lamer. Not gonna name names - he knows who he is.

 

[cougar-]

Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by alithiel50


Erm, yes..... It's called Guerrilla Warfare.

You have 1 or 2 small units of highly trained and specialised troops who infiltrate enemy territory to disrupt their operations.

This is how FC try to play, as it's much more fun hunting behind enemy lines, cutting off their reinforcements etc.

Admitedly these tactics didn't exist in the Camelot era, but we have the advantage of having seen enough news broadcasts and films to have some idea of how modern warfare works.... and you rarely get huge armys facing off against each other (and probably screaming some very unpleasant insults in "a language you don't understand") any more.

its good that you try, but you are realy easy kills compared to average hib group.

 

[infozwerg]

You want "The Truth" ?

Buy here:

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[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by new.Spesh
Well, it's up to everyone to choose the way the do their warfare ofcourse. It is more fun to work in single groups but then you have to face the fact that you probably will face a larger force.
So knowing this for a fact whining won't help, this is the reality of DAoC warfare.

... in Emain at primetime.

It IS what the game has become, people gather at the TK's they move together (most of them) in order to be able to whack the other large forces moving around.

in Emain, at primetime ( ;

Whining and moaning wont change this. The only way to go for people who like small group warfare is to go PvP when it arrives.

Or just move to Odin's or Hadrian's where the RvR usually revolves around 1-2 fg's fighting eachother, and lots of people still solo there.

The zerging ain't half as bad as all the whining about the zerg

You can avoid the whines by just closing a topic or not coming here. You can avoid the zergs by going to different frontiers ( ;

 

[thorey]

Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by alithiel50


Erm, yes..... It's called Guerrilla Warfare.

You have 1 or 2 small units of highly trained and specialised troops who infiltrate enemy territory to disrupt their operations.

This is how FC try to play, as it's much more fun hunting behind enemy lines, cutting off their reinforcements etc.

Admitedly these tactics didn't exist in the Camelot era, but we have the advantage of having seen enough news broadcasts and films to have some idea of how modern warfare works.... and you rarely get huge armys facing off against each other (and probably screaming some very unpleasant insults in "a language you don't understand") any more.

Why is this called a Zerg when we in NP do it ?
nuff said

 

[new.Spesh]

Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by thebinarysurfer


So basically u think the game is all about zerging? Ok then so whoever has the most numbers wins? I dont call that a game or fun - yes zerging is a part of the game but it shouldnt be ALL the game - which it currently is in places like emain - hence why i rarely go there.

Oh and to a certain SB who uses the wall bug in emain - i have reported you so i suggest you stop doing it you lamer. Not gonna name names - he knows who he is.

I'm not saying I think it's what the game is all about, I'm saying IT IS what RvR has become and is right now. Like I said in a post above single grouping is more fun, and it's possible if you stay clear of the mostly zerged areas. What I'm basically saying is that people should stop the "whining" about the zerg because it leads absolutely NOWHERE and is actually more annoying than the actual zerging.

And imho 2-3 FG isn't zerging it's just a minor army
If you aren't able to get atleast 2 FG together when going to the hib frontier atleast then go PvP when it comes. Or go to another frontier. Or follow the zerg. Or die. And don't whine when you do, take it like a man

 

[katt!]

Re: Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by thorey
Why is this called a Zerg when we in NP do it ?
nuff said

zerg? no.

fighting single fgs with 2fgs = lame imho, especially since you would whine like bitches if your 2fgs where taken out with 4fgs.

 

[Sneo]

Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by alithiel50


Erm, yes..... It's called Guerrilla Warfare.

You have 1 or 2 small units of highly trained and specialised troops who infiltrate enemy territory to disrupt their operations.

This is how FC try to play, as it's much more fun hunting behind enemy lines, cutting off their reinforcements etc.

Admitedly these tactics didn't exist in the Camelot era, but we have the advantage of having seen enough news broadcasts and films to have some idea of how modern warfare works.... and you rarely get huge armys facing off against each other (and probably screaming some very unpleasant insults in "a language you don't understand") any more.

true, but there is a problem here.... you say that guerilla warfare is "1 or 2 small units of HIGHLY TRAINED AND SPECIALISED troops."

well in daoc you can't be higher then lvl 50 so highly trained and specialised troops doesn't really exist, now do they ?!
if you had a fg of lvl 70's, then you could do some real guerilla warfare but when you're the same lvl as everybody else, guerilla warfare isn't very effective...

 

[Treson]

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[Killgorde]

Hmm the truth? How painfull is the truth?

Answer these questions truthfully:

1. Do I camp TK's with others in large numbers on a regular basis?
(If yes I am a boring bastard with no imagination, need for a challenge, sense of fair play and zero initiative)

2. Do I camp Frontier Gates on a regular basis?
(If yes same as answer to 1. above)

3. Have I uttered those immortal words: LETS TAKE DC !!! without any forethought as to why it should be taken?
(If yes same as answer to 1. above)

4. Do I enjoy zerging a vastly inferior force with sheer weight of numbers on a regular basis?
(If yes same as answer to 1. above)

5. When I port to Emain have I got a gameplay worked out on a regular basis ?
(If No I am probably a sheep who is planning on hooking up with the zerg for easy, but incredibly boring, rp and therefore answer to 1. above applies)

6. Do I know fuckall about any frontier zone other than the trip from my TK in Emain/Frontier Gate to the Bowl and consider a trip to Crim a really wild and exciting adventure in a strange exotic and unfamiliar territory?
(If answer is yes answers to 1, 3, 4 & 5 apply as well)

Can't say I've been in Emain much in a very long time so none of the above may apply, perhaps you can tell me there's been a revolutionay change there? And maybe if the above still applies you can understand why CE prefer to play elsewhere.

Just a small point. How many keeps other than DC and Crim in Hib frontier fall or are attacked on a regular basis in comparison with Middie and Alb Frontier? And please don't give me the bollocks that they are better scouted because on the odd occasion CE hit Briefine, Collory or the Gorge we have met as little resistance when taking a keep as we do in Albland.

 

[new.Spesh]

to Killgorde

"yes I am a boring bastard with no imagination, need for a challenge, sense of fair play and zero initiative"

That should apply to me though. Not being in a guild atm kinda make me take the easy road to Emain for some RvR... then kill some and getting killed some getting kinda bored and then levling my alt RM. I do salute the RvR dedicated guilds that find more interesting things to do than whacking around in Emain. Running around solo in the frontiers as a zerker don't really feel safe though, and I'm up for grabs if any RvR dedicated guild want a d0rf zerker with madskillz

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Killgorde
Just a small point. How many keeps other than DC and Crim in Hib frontier fall or are attacked on a regular basis in comparison with Middie and Alb Frontier? And please don't give me the bollocks that they are better scouted because on the odd occasion CE hit Briefine, Collory or the Gorge we have met as little resistance when taking a keep as we do in Albland.

I've noticed that too... invading zergs hardly do more than take Crauchon. Sometimes they go for Crimm too, but Bolg, nGed, da Behn, Ailinne and Scathaig never get taken. On the other hand Renaris and Boldiam get taken all the time. I usually do that to get some Albs out to play in their own frontier. Guess you don't need to do that in Emain if you just want to get people out to play, simply because they're already there ( ;

 

[hotrat]

and consider a trip to Crim a really wild and exciting adventure in a strange exotic and unfamiliar territory?

rofl

Most albs prolly dont even know the names DC and Crim, they just know them as the 2 hib keeps, one that is north from amg and the other which is south

 

[alithiel50]

Re: Re: Re: You want the truth?!

Originally posted by thorey
Why is this called a Zerg when we in NP do it ?
nuff said

Because when NP go around as 2fg, they have every Mid and his entire extended family tagging along behind. People wouldn’t object so much if they just came to watch and support - everyone appreciates cheerleaders, after all - but they seem to insist on joining in and to be honest it’s not much fun being trapped between hairy, sweaty dwarves and fat, smelly trolls.... Although I have to point out that I have no objection whatsoever to being sandwiched between some of those cute Norsewomen - the likes of Eos, Horsma and Madeleine…..

If you can’t leave the Zerg behind by the time you hit the Milegate, you’re obviously not trying very hard!