Hibs overpowered the truth?

[Jiggs]

speced to solo??

interesting choice of words, i think you will find the truth is that albion classes are less dynamic and have fewer viable options

ok lets just look at ONE example: pbt and the spells you get for specing 'support' in the base and spec lines:

suppression runemaster:

6sec pbt
good DD/Snare
aoe snare
nearsight
str debuff
confusion
root

Nurture Warden:

6sec pbt
damage add
body resist
energy resist
spirit resist
caster speed
self haste
af buff
str buff
dex buff
con buff

Earth Theurgist:

6sec pbt
haste and damage buffs
haste debuff
Earth Pet

now u tell me why albion classes don't spec support?

in my experience i dont see any population imbalance in people who are active in RvR so ur point is invalid, most albs roll alts or craft nowadays, very little point to RvR.

the joke is people think its good but it aint, if i am a mid i WANT to fight more albs AND i WANT it to be a challenge, its pretty depressing that 99% of the time albs just represent free RPs.

i want to see all realms getting stuck in and fighting but the way the game is balanced it just isnt going to happen.

 

[eminemshow]

nightshade over powered? uuummmmm dont think so probably one of the crapiest classes to play actually the magic spells we get are a joke lol.But i think if u could get all the best players in albion of all the classes u could get a good group going.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Jiggs
speced to solo??

interesting choice of words, i think you will find the truth is that albion classes are less dynamic and have fewer viable options

ok lets just look at ONE example: pbt and the spells you get for specing 'support' in the base and spec lines:

suppression runemaster:

6sec pbt
good DD/Snare
aoe snare
nearsight
str debuff
confusion
root

Nurture Warden:

6sec pbt
damage add
body resist
energy resist
spirit resist
caster speed
self haste
af buff
str buff
dex buff
con buff

Earth Theurgist:

6sec pbt
haste and damage buffs
haste debuff
Earth Pet

now u tell me why albion classes don't spec support?

Because they don't perceive an attraction in a pbt class that can do decent damage but sacrifices armour. Warden's sacrifice damage for pbt and secondary/tertiary healing (and doing both at the same time is not viable for any significant duration due to small power pool).
Tbh the reason there are so many wardens in Hib is because they are probably the easiest classes to level - since 90% of all xp groups will want one for the pbt alone.

in my experience i dont see any population imbalance in people who are active in RvR so ur point is invalid, most albs roll alts or craft nowadays, very little point to RvR.

In my experience I see 10+fg albs in emain regularly (I would say that on 90% of the nights I go to emain there will be such an alb zerg at some point or other).
In addition, only when Albion is involved in a relic raid do the zones crash. Hibernia raids Midgard (spectacularly unsuccessfully at times) and while the lag is bad, the zone doesn't crash, and likewise vice versa. When the same is tried with Albion:
hib went for excal -> zone crash
alb went for dagda -> zone crash
Given that these zone crashes seem to be caused by too many people in a zone, I think that's fairly good proof that Albion's active RvR population is higher than the other realms.

the joke is people think its good but it aint, if i am a mid i WANT to fight more albs AND i WANT it to be a challenge, its pretty depressing that 99% of the time albs just represent free RPs.

If you want to fight more albs, go to emain at about 9-10pm I think, you will find more than enough to fight there.
I see many more Albs in emain than Mids.

i want to see all realms getting stuck in and fighting but the way the game is balanced it just isnt going to happen.

I see them all getting stuck in atm, so I don't really agree with you on that either.

 

[Novamir]

no doubt that earth theurg needs some seeeeerious improvement.

my idea was to give the earth pets a DD proc, and give them a matter snare DD in earth line.

 

[Novamir]

or just the snare DD would do it

 

[Jiggs]

2 points:

1. you cant do major damage as an earth theurg, because:
a. ur max spec in ice is 29ice
b. u are using a baseline ice nuke which combined with running 6sec pbt will make you oop in about 5-6 nukes


2. you obviously missing the one million hibs that camp amg from 1130pm onwards



oh yeah and i'm an alb on this server, i just mean that if i was in llaw or nolby i'd WANT some cool fights with albs, instead of the washouts you see.

 

[old.Mick]

ever seen the dmg output of a warden?? :touch:

people play them AS a support class, the sooner albs start making proper support classes and stop moaning the better. omg i cant use 6sec pbt and nuke the shit outta somet.... DONT TRY

did all the people who like playing a support class join hib and all the people who wanted to get death spam msgs join alb??

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Jiggs
in my experience i dont see any population imbalance in people who are active in RvR so ur point is invalid, most albs roll alts or craft nowadays, very little point to RvR.

the joke is people think its good but it aint, if i am a mid i WANT to fight more albs AND i WANT it to be a challenge, its pretty depressing that 99% of the time albs just represent free RPs.

ROFL! Don't talk out of your arse. Albs zerg emain every day of the week at all times of the day. Tell wildfire, outlaw, gunner and co that there is little point to rvr ^^

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Jiggs
in my experience i dont see any population imbalance in people who are active in RvR so ur point is invalid, most albs roll alts or craft nowadays, very little point to RvR.

I think most of the other stuff was replied to by other posters, but I think the above passage answers why there are not as many people earning rp's for albion, because they sitting around crafting or playing alts.

 

[tazzke]

ROFL! Don't talk out of your arse. Albs zerg emain every day of the week at all times of the day. Tell wildfire, outlaw, gunner and co that there is little point to rvr ^^

get them out of RvR...and we won't even kill 1 Hib/Mid all day long...

sad...but it's true....

besides GoL, FC and BF...what other guild can say they win from evenly or even more people than the group they playing in...
been in RvR long enough to experience they know how to kill enemies (other Albs too..but it's gonna be 1 Mid or Hib and get whiped out by the 7 others)

Of course they roam RvR zones all day long..everyday...that's what they do...but at least when they are around..we do stand a chance vs Hibs & Mids...when they just used up all the insta win buttons


The game isn't balanced...not in population in the realms (Albs having most players BUT also most noobs who play the game te first time...)...and even worse in the case of gameplay in RvR...(Hibs being kinda Gods...Mids being pretty good to...Albs being a little rat ready to be trappled on)

I really would like to play 1 day in a hib group vs us Albs...just to see how easy they get RP's

When you attack a Hib group that was in combat (killing the last 2-3 Albs) from behind with 2-3 fg's vs 1 fg ...and those 2-3 fg's are getting slaughtered within 10 sec time...there is something WRONG with the game...it's doesn't or shouldn't work like this...

Blame us for following the few RvR guild we have to get at least a bit of RP...(staying alive should be the word)...

but it's the only option most Alb players have if they wanna stay in Emain/Odins longer than 5 min...

 

[Rollie_David]

simple fact is yes a few alb classes need some help but a thurg for instance u can get 8 sec pbt and a decent air nuke, i believe outlaw has that spec, u wanna see mana drain fast, run 6sec pbt on a supp runie and cast a few dd/snares u will b under half hp and waiting for mana to regen.

Also albs complain about pbaoe yet go on about how cool the runie supp dd/snare is along with pbt, well ice wizzies have that same snare, if a sm wants to go pbaoe they only get a shitty baseline dd.

Fact is you have support classes but dont wanna play them cause you cant do "uber" damage, i have played warden and thurg and i can say now earth thurgs do more damage with a baseline DD than a warden does, how about you all stop rolling fire wizzies and inf/scouts and make classes u need like thurgs/s+s arms/clerics/sorc.

I remember a thread like this about 3 months ago, out of the first 6 albs that replied 5 of them had re-rolled inf/scouts, that pretty much sums it up.

 

[-wabbit-]

Hibs stfu

Time to stfu hibs...you ARE overpowerred, you will get nerfed (or mid/alb will get the loving starting at patch 1.59) then I wanna see how many hibs stay there if they get the 7 months of nerfing alb/mid has had now in comparison with you twads...

Nice example:

last night there was a 4fg hib zerg in Emain....our group (8 non-tactical albs) died 2 times to them...you must have been thinking "lol these albs don't have any tactics...they keep comming group by group so we can easlily farm them...we are tactical genius"

after that we decided to zerg about 4 or 5 fg of albs farmed the duo of 2fg's (for some tactical reason you split up somewhere) even LA went down like sorcs armor. So you must have been thinking "bah fecking albs...they always zerg"

6 more levels, 6 more patches and you are all dead hibkebab

 

[Amadon]

Re: Hibs stfu

Originally posted by -wabbit-
Time to stfu hibs...you ARE overpowerred, you will get nerfed (or mid/alb will get the loving starting at patch 1.59) then I wanna see how many hibs stay there if they get the 7 months of nerfing alb/mid has had now in comparison with you twads...

whine

Nice example:

last night there was a 4fg hib zerg in Emain....our group (8 non-tactical albs) died 2 times to them...

duh - in 1 fg hibs, even a guild group I wouldn't expect to take on 4 fg albs and survive

you must have been thinking "lol these albs don't have any tactics...they keep comming group by group so we can easlily farm them...we are tactical genius"

More likely we were thinking "wtf are the other 10fg albs?"

after that we decided to zerg about 4 or 5 fg of albs farmed the duo of 2fg's (for some tactical reason you split up somewhere) even LA went down like sorcs armor. So you must have been thinking "bah fecking albs...they always zerg"

wow well done, you just proved.. what? nothing..
so 4 fg hibs can take out 1 fg albs, and 4 - 5 fg albs can take out 2x 2fg hibs, including 2fg of arguably hib's best rvr players..
I thought you were trying to prove that hibs were overpowered?
All you've done is shown that numbers are overpowering..
We all know this which is why as long as Albion has a population advantage, Albion will be overpowered.
So, in Poon's oh so eloquent words:

stfu
irl
k
thx
bye

 

[AbPoon]

omg people quote me



I AM A FORUM GOD!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!1!!!!!!11!1!!11!

 

[mastade]

Re: Hibs stfu

Originally posted by -wabbit-
6 more levels, 6 more patches and you are all dead hibkebab

Nah, your unbalanced groups will still die horribly ^^

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by AbPoon
omg people quote me



I AM A FORUM GOD!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!1!!!!!!11!1!!11!

o shit.. I just admitted that I read Poon's posts :doh:

 

[Negura`]

:wub: u

 

[AbPoon]

That was a pointless post Sol.

In the same way that this is a pointless reply.

 

[Amadon]

kinda like this whole forum... :wall:

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I think the above passage answers why there are not as many people earning rp's for albion, because they sitting around crafting or playing alts.

yeh damn right. you'd be playing an alt too if u had to fight against this every night:

chain mezz: insta/regular/insta/regular rinse and repeat
every tank: has a 9sec stun, anytime or rear positional (lol who the fuck needs the 14 point RA Prevent Flight for a 35% chance to proc snare when u can just stun them for 9seconds for free)
every caster: has a 9sec stun
mezz proof: hello group purge

and many more...

but of course it takes skill to exploit these imbalances to the fullest and then strut around thinking ur "1337"


:sleeping:

 

[-wabbit-]

Re: Re: Hibs stfu

Originally posted by Amadon

duh - in 1 fg hibs, even a guild group I wouldn't expect to take on 4 fg albs and survive

We were not trying to take them on we were trying to stay far away from them...hard to do when you hibs camp AMG. Point 1 proven: hibs zerg and camp too

More likely we were thinking "wtf are the other 10fg albs?"

Haha well there's the same we think nowadays when we meet 1fg of hibs

wow well done, you just proved.. what? nothing..
so 4 fg hibs can take out 1 fg albs, and 4 - 5 fg albs can take out 2x 2fg hibs, including 2fg of arguably hib's best rvr players..
I thought you were trying to prove that hibs were overpowered?
All you've done is shown that numbers are overpowering..
We all know this which is why as long as Albion has a population advantage, Albion will be overpowered.

I proved 2 things so far: hibs zerg and camp and the third thing I would like to prove is we DONT have the numbers anymore....sure there might be albs that have an alb account somewhere they never play anymore since they switched to hib (and became all so tactical all of a sudden) but last night when I logged into Excal server population was 2500 people. A /who all gave me 823 albs....give are take 10% anon people there were 900 albs online 900/2500 = 36% wow we really do have the numbers....AND about 30-40% does RvR (read: is high enough to do some RvR) so the absolute difference in Emain/Odin/Sauvage will be what 10-20 albs....

As to quote my own words:

You hibs smell bad

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Regarding the balance issues:
I cant count the times I have seen a hib hero stand alone vs 3 alb tanks and still manage to kill atleast 2 before going down. I once even saw a mid tank stand on top of the tower in sauvage getting gtaoed while fighting 5 alb tanks, killing two before he finally died. These things occur very often but I have yet to see an alb tank fight 2 or more enemies at once and get away with it or killing more then hes worth himself (except Karam). I wont even start with casters since we all probably have seen the 'The whole realm of albion was just killed by memeerf' deathspam from sauvage now and again. But i guess everyone that plays in hib or mid just go 'omg albs are dumb' or 'omg im skilled' in /gu when they repeatedly hit a qbar button and manage to mop the floor with a bunch of albs.

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by K0nah

but of course it takes skill to exploit these imbalances to the fullest and then strut around thinking ur "1337"

So what do First Cohort do then Konah?

 

[dakeyras]

Hib is currently overpowered compared to Alb but Mid now has the tools to not only compete but to dominate.

Any Hibs that state that they aren't overpowered compared to Alb are frankly delusional. Patch 1.51 boosted Hib far to much and nerfed Albion into the dust. Meanwhile, Mid, although nor far behind Hib just didn't have the population to compete. I am not talking about Excalibur here, this pattern has occured on almost every server worldwide (excepting ones like Prydwen and Palomides where Hib has huge population disadvantages).

1.51 to 1.54 has been Hibs time in the sun. They got the toys, they got the luv, they were given classes and ability combos that could dominate the frontiers with little skill or effort. This problem was intensified by the 'uber l337s' rerolling Hib and Alb/Mid losing some fine players who left the game cause they were disallusioned by being trampled under the feet of Hibs who were grossly overpowered.

1.54 changed all that in the US. Midgard got the tweak that swung the balance. It took several weeks to kick in but if you look at what happened between 1.54 and 1.58 there was a huge swing in the rps and deaths per rps in this period from Hib to Mid (apart from 1 week over xmas when Alb dominated). Although suffering from low populations Mids were able to dominate because of groups with a good balance of classes who had been tweaked. Alot of this was down to zerkers who were smart enough to exploit the game mechanics. Take 3 troll zerkers with very low quick and optimised main/off combo, give em pbt, high determination, resist buffs, spec buffs, speed 5+permasprint and end regen and you have a group with players who can 2-shot heros/arms.

Hibs are now whining about Mid and how overpowered Mid is. Funny how things change so quickly. BTW the 1 week period where Alb started to do well was the week alot of Necros hit 50 and went RvR. Alb now had the tool to attack and defend keeps and was able to farm Hib/Mid. It was nerfed within days.

Who knows what impact 1.59 will have. I suspect that we will see a period of Alb domination as the power players reroll Alb and Alb rvr's with new tools and more importantly, new confidence. Hib/Mid will whine like pigs on their way to the bolt gun...and around 1.62 Hib will get loving and so we turn full circle again.

It will never end and will never be balanced.

 

[Amadon]

Re: Re: Re: Hibs stfu

Originally posted by -wabbit-

We were not trying to take them on we were trying to stay far away from them...hard to do when you hibs camp AMG. Point 1 proven: hibs zerg and camp too

No-one denied that hibs zerg, and no-one's whining about the alb zerg, merely stating that it's bigger than the hib one.

Haha well there's the same we think nowadays when we meet 1fg of hibs

I can't remember the last time we managed to get 10 fg of hibs together in emain, 5 or 6 maybe, but nowhere near 10

I proved 2 things so far: hibs zerg and camp

blah blah defending our realm etc, this is utterly irrelevant to the point at hand

and the third thing I would like to prove is we DONT have the numbers anymore....

that's utter bollocks, you just said you got 4-5 fg vs our 4fg, so u outnumber us from that, nevermind that your zergs are roughly double the size of ours

sure there might be albs that have an alb account somewhere they never play anymore since they switched to hib (and became all so tactical all of a sudden)

like there are hibs who do likewise or who spend all their time /duelling or crafting

but last night when I logged into Excal server population was 2500 people. A /who all gave me 823 albs....give are take 10% anon people there were 900 albs online 900/2500 = 36% wow we really do have the numbers....AND about 30-40% does RvR (read: is high enough to do some RvR) so the absolute difference in Emain/Odin/Sauvage will be what 10-20 albs....

not really, 30-40% of 900 = 180
/who emain in hib, on a VERY good night will show 60 hibs, generally it shows 40 when we're trying to counter alb zerg, and the number of times it shows <10 is scarily high, especially when albs are out in force. Also judging from the reports of numbers of invaders when keeps are attacked, albs often have 100+ people in our frontier, compared with the 60 we can get together if we're lucky (relic raids are exceptional, even the craftbots sometimes drop what they're doing to help)

STFU
IRL
K
THX
BYE

(Poon is my hero btw )

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by K0nah


yeh damn right. you'd be playing an alt too if u had to fight against this every night:

chain mezz: insta/regular/insta/regular rinse and repeat
every tank: has a 9sec stun, anytime or rear positional (lol who the fuck needs the 14 point RA Prevent Flight for a 35% chance to proc snare when u can just stun them for 9seconds for free)
every caster: has a 9sec stun
mezz proof: hello group purge

and many more...

but of course it takes skill to exploit these imbalances to the fullest and then strut around thinking ur "1337"


:sleeping:

Whine whine whine...not every druid has gp - well not til they are rr2l5 anyway

Also gp is a 30min timer ability ok? Not every 10seconds - every 30 minutes. It's also certainly not enough to save us when the 10fg alb zerg run in. As for every tank having 9s stun - I'ma dual blade bm - WHERE THERE F**K IS MY STUN! DAMN YOU MYTHIC!

Oh and for caster stun - get determination and some better resists. kthxbye.

 

[Amadon]

yeah that hib caster baseline 9 second running on 5 second stun is really overpowered, hell it can let me get off 1 extra cast if I'm not within melee range and getting interrupted before it wears off, please, Mythic, I beg you, nerf me more

 

[-wabbit-]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hibs stfu

Originally posted by Amadon

not really, 30-40% of 900 = 180
/who emain in hib, on a VERY good night will show 60 hibs, generally it shows 40 when we're trying to counter alb zerg, and the number of times it shows <10 is scarily high, especially when albs are out in force. Also judging from the reports of numbers of invaders when keeps are attacked, albs often have 100+ people in our frontier, compared with the 60 we can get together if we're lucky (relic raids are exceptional, even the craftbots sometimes drop what they're doing to help)

Read my post I told you 180 albs in Sauvage/Odin/Emain....as most albs dont go emain nowadays because of the zerging (which albs do too, yes just like mids and hibs) it can very well be that 60 albs are getting keeps back, 60 are in Odin and 60 are in Emain.....60 albs versus 40-60 hibs in no fair fight atm, which proves Hibs have better tools atm....

 

[Amadon]

when keeps are attacked (eg. dun crauchon which albs seem to think is their's and thus gets attacked often) the scouts report to the guild who's claimed it the number of invaders, thus when we get a report of 100+ invaders attacking crauch on /as, assuming albs and mids dont work together (which seems to be valid most of the time), and assuming a report of an alb zerg in emain (which is more often than not the case), it follows that those 100+ invaders are albs, and reports such as those have come in a few times since the patch, not just on the unfortunate relic raid

edit:
oh yeah, so explain to me how, if most albs dont go to emain BECAUSE of the zerging, albion still manages to generate a zerg greater than any other realm 8 times out of 10?

 

[Jiggs]

we had that DToC program running the last few nights (a stats program that gives you read outs of your groups performance in RvR)

playing as a mid on US server in one trip to emain our FG scored: 30dead albs versus 10deaths in our group and that seems to be the norm, about 3-1 fighting albs often a bit more

against hibs its either around 1-1 or sightly less, it depends on whether or not we manage to aoe stunn them before the bard hits the win button

the sorcerer changes wont do shit against healer aoe stunn + spiritmaster pbaoe so imo i still see mids having the edge


btw the long post by dak above is pretty accurate to my experiences

any hib who is moaning is pretty crap player imo, your day in the sun is NOW and if you aint using it then dont come here and whine about zergs and such.......

i am just saying what i see happening in RvR, i dont really have a axe to grind here or anything