Well...there goes the life.

[Ch3tan]

Yes, it was really fucking annoying. Dropped 10 places as well. He was above me in the fucking ladder... grrrr.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah i was cursing at the points over win/loss system too one day.

If you're favored, you lose more but win less points.

If you're not, reverse.

Problem is that there's people with 20 games in top 10, and people with 200 games in the lower 10. So you'll get an experienced player playing against new players, with the new players getting punished more for the loss that will happen.

What you need is consequent wins, only way to climb the ladder. Which seems odd.

Then again, without the point system you'd never reach the top because you'd be counted for your losses.

 

[Garaen]

Have had an absolutely shite day today, lost about 6 games in a row - managed to get Plat in both 2v2 & 3v3 but still in the 20s of gold in 1v1 - Terran is really annoying me - an early bio ball supported by siege tanks is so hard to defend against. Played a game earlier where I wiped a Terran player off the map except for one small island - he surrounded it (with about 30) missle turrets and just spammed battlecruisers - there was nothing I could do they just insta gibbed me even when using feedback + stalkers... arrrgh.

 

[Huntingtons]

you lose what you can gain, unless you have pool points. so if you have a pool of 20 and can gain 10, you will gain 20 pts (10 from win, 10 from pool) however if you lose, you lose half of what you were to lose (pool loses that half)


dont go ground vs bcs. go either voids or phoenixs. Use their slow movespd against them (aka, kite)

 

[Levin]

Had a five game win streak today, which felt really good since it's been going horribly otherwise, lately. Just a shame 2 of the 5 were custom games. Still, up to 15th place in 1v1 gold division now! And tbh i hope i don't get promoted, i really don't belong in platinum yet.

 

[old.Tohtori]

dont go ground vs bcs.

Unless you got an upgraded hydra team ofcourse.

 

[ileks]

Just got back into the game today and started playing protoss. I think I might prefer it to Terran tbh. I dunno why but it feels like i have more to do all the time. I'm getting pwned by other platinum players in 1v1 tho so will probably fall back down a league or so while i get used to it.

 

[Chosen]

Playing in Platinum league, 96. But been matched against diamond players these two last matches and they have wiped the floor with me.

Seeing the reply I seriously dont see what else I can do as a zerg player against someone playing terran good....

 

[Chosen]

What good zerg untis can inn the beginning of the game, compete with Maruders?

 

[Levin]

What good zerg untis can inn the beginning of the game, compete with Maruders?

A truckload of speedlings, as long as they get the surround, should do the trick.

 

[Ch3tan]

Gah gah gah, from beating Zerg without effort, I am now getting wtf pwned by their air.

What the hell can I do to defend against zerg air? They can mass units faster than I can void rays, and they are faster, and more powerful :/ Tried ground defence, air defence and a combination.

 

[Levin]

Fast mutalisks are really annoying. I've been having problems with it too, but i think if i was better at microing i would try blink stalkers.

Alternatively, maybe try uber quick aggression with a quick 4 gate build mixed with early phoenixes to harrass him even more as well as help against the mutas?

Or, and perhaps the easiest way.. maybe just cannon yourself in at your ramp so as not to get 6 pooled, then rush for void rays and attack his base when you have 2 of them (just 1 might die against a queen). Then keep pumping chrono boosted VRs and send them to reinforce.

As said though, i'm not sure what's the best cure against quick mutas tbh, as i still get owned by it too whenever i try something that's not Void Ray cheese.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Best defense is offense, sadly true.

Scouting(whenever you prefer), adjusting, taking out spires and limiting resources is the way to keep the zerg overwhelming you.

Zerg is basically, basically, useless before they get a good economy and hives to boost out 20 mutas at once. (You need atleast two hives to get enough muta-replenish to be efficient).

Keep the bugs in check and build your choice of hivebusters.

Most zerg forget dark templars exist, so go go stealth drone hunters

Also if you're already in the situation where mutas are roaming the sky, and you're unwilling to go with carriers, cannons to hold 'em back and blink stalkers + focus fire.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofcourse all of that is just theoretical, needs to be put in right event and requires to remember it when it happens...which means...yes i get owned by muta too

 

[mooSe_]

What good zerg untis can inn the beginning of the game, compete with Maruders?

Mass speedlings do well vs maruaders until you can get lair up. Watch out though because hellions and speed upgraded reapers beat zerglings if they are microed well, so you might need some roaches too, or build some spine crawlers and surround his army with your lings when he gets into range of them so he can't escape.

Gah gah gah, from beating Zerg without effort, I am now getting wtf pwned by their air.

What the hell can I do to defend against zerg air? They can mass units faster than I can void rays, and they are faster, and more powerful :/ Tried ground defence, air defence and a combination.

Vs mass mutalisks your main two options as protoss are stalkers and phoenixes. Stalkers can't keep up with mutalisks but if you get the blink upgrade then you will be able to get several extra kills every time he tries to escape. Stalkers are cheaper than mutalisks so you should be able to keep up with him in terms of massing them.

Phoenixes are a good option because they move faster than mutalisks and outrange them, and they can fly backwards whilst shooting so you can effectively kite the mutalisks for ever, although of course it's gonna take some micro. The only problem is if you invest heavily in phoenix and he doesn't make many mutas then the phoenix aren't much use. If this happens you can still use the phoenixes for scouting, hunting overlords and using graviton beam to lift up and kill drones and queens.

Either that or do a big push just before he gets his spire up because he will have spent loads on teching to muta and not got any return from it yet.

 

[mooSe_]

Fast mutalisks are really annoying. I've been having problems with it too, but i think if i was better at microing i would try blink stalkers.

Alternatively, maybe try uber quick aggression with a quick 4 gate build mixed with early phoenixes to harrass him even more as well as help against the mutas?

Or, and perhaps the easiest way.. maybe just cannon yourself in at your ramp so as not to get 6 pooled, then rush for void rays and attack his base when you have 2 of them (just 1 might die against a queen). Then keep pumping chrono boosted VRs and send them to reinforce.

As said though, i'm not sure what's the best cure against quick mutas tbh, as i still get owned by it too whenever i try something that's not Void Ray cheese.

Your first 2 suggestions can work but i seriously wouldn't recommend walling yourself in with cannons and rushing to voidrays. It's very all-in and wouldn't work vs me I'd have at least 2-3 queens by the time your voidrays arrived and hydras soon after. I'd also be on 2 bases already and take a 3rd when I saw you were trapped in your main.

If you mean quick mutas as in just a 1 base straight tech to muta then you should be able to win with 2gate aggression into 4gate push. The early zealots from the 2gate will really throw him off unless he masses spine crawlers or roaches, but either of those will severely slow his muta time down. Then put up 2 more gateways and just keep pushing. Even if he gets muta out he won't have enough to hold off your army if you skew your composition to be mainly stalker/sentry once you have you cyber core up.

Best defense is offense, sadly true.

Scouting(whenever you prefer), adjusting, taking out spires and limiting resources is the way to keep the zerg overwhelming you.

Zerg is basically, basically, useless before they get a good economy and hives to boost out 20 mutas at once. (You need atleast two hives to get enough muta-replenish to be efficient).

Keep the bugs in check and build your choice of hivebusters.

Most zerg forget dark templars exist, so go go stealth drone hunters

Also if you're already in the situation where mutas are roaming the sky, and you're unwilling to go with carriers, cannons to hold 'em back and blink stalkers + focus fire.

This is pretty much true. One base zerg is shit, so if you can keep the pressure on and stop him from expanding he can't realistically get mass mutas unless you are doing something else very wrong.

 

[ileks]

The multiplayer in this is so damn addictive. Spent most of the day working out different 4 gate set ups, perfecting them then put them to use in the ladder. Got myself up to about 20th in platinum now which I am quite pleased with.

Managed to beat a diamond terran in my final game. Beat his initial push, he walled in so I transitioned into an expansion + void rays

4 gate seems really strong except when i come up against a good zerg player. If they scout my base with an overlord and hit me with early speedlings I always lose. Going to work on a 2 gate into 4 gate set up against zerg. My god I sound like such a nerd

 

[ECA]

4 gate seems really strong except when i come up against a good zerg player. If they scout my base with an overlord and hit me with early speedlings I always lose. Going to work on a 2 gate into 4 gate set up against zerg. My god I sound like such a nerd

If you walled and put a zealot at the gap... how do you lose to speedlings?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Don't play right when you wake up...got zerg, stayed in one base, didn't get enough drones, one extractor and kept on building zerglings and banelings while the enemy, at this point a monkey could beat me, built a nice collection of colossus.

 

[Ch3tan]

Haha, was playing a Zerg player today, I thought I had the early advantage, had a few small disruptive raids on his base. He had two big attacks that were fucked by dark templars.

So anyway, I was expanding into my 4th base and needed to pee, this was after about 25 minutes. So I had a quick look around, no danger, so I left. I come back a couple of minutes later to see him swarming my base, my DT's were on hold so had let them all past :/ So I lost most of two bases, ran with my DT's and probes to set up another, fortified it. About 10 minutes later he took that one. I was on the jungle map with two isolated islands in top and bottom corners, I had one base on a corner already, set up a second on the other.
For some reason the idiot didn't twig, and kept moaning at me to quit, while he built up lots of mutalisks that were flying aimlessly around.

After an hour, during which time I had deployed more DT's all over the map to raid him, he quit claiming he didn't have time for this.

LOL, I grinded my way to victory. I don't understand why the hell he just did not go all out at rush me, what a tool.

 

[Levin]

Haha, was playing a Zerg player today, I thought I had the early advantage, had a few small disruptive raids on his base. He had two big attacks that were fucked by dark templars.

So anyway, I was expanding into my 4th base and needed to pee, this was after about 25 minutes. So I had a quick look around, no danger, so I left. I come back a couple of minutes later to see him swarming my base, my DT's were on hold so had let them all past :/ So I lost most of two bases, ran with my DT's and probes to set up another, fortified it. About 10 minutes later he took that one. I was on the jungle map with two isolated islands in top and bottom corners, I had one base on a corner already, set up a second on the other.
For some reason the idiot didn't twig, and kept moaning at me to quit, while he built up lots of mutalisks that were flying aimlessly around.

After an hour, during which time I had deployed more DT's all over the map to raid him, he quit claiming he didn't have time for this.

LOL, I grinded my way to victory. I don't understand why the hell he just did not go all out at rush me, what a tool.

roflmao! Nice one!

Hehehe i wonder what Day9 and the others would say. "Dear day9, i find it difficult during long games to keep my bladder under control. I wonder when you think is the best time to go to the bathroom (maybe if i do three fast expands first?) and how it would affect my APM during a game?"

Daaaamn i want to send that question in now for the next daily cast!

 

[Ch3tan]

Got a lot better, but still lost a silly game after getting 50+ points today, and then lost 2/3rds of them

I'll never get out of Bronze league, the highest I've been is 50th place, and those above me have 100's of points, I just don't play it enough.

 

[Deld]

Kind of a longshot but any of you guys still got a spare guest pass? I played beta but just fancy one more go before I buy. Would be happy to practice with anyone I was gold in beta.

 

[ileks]

Got a lot better, but still lost a silly game after getting 50+ points today, and then lost 2/3rds of them

I'll never get out of Bronze league, the highest I've been is 50th place, and those above me have 100's of points, I just don't play it enough.

Just learn to 4gate properly and you will just destroy anyone gold or lower imo. There was a recent day9 cast about just four gating as protoss. There are loads of guides on youtube as well. It's not quite all in but if you are going to win it will usually be within about 10-12 minutes. There are loads of variations on it as well so it doesn't get too repetitive.

 

[Ch3tan]

Gah! I copied the stacraft 1 install from the USB to my hardrive. But it won't provide me the CD key now when I go to install.

FFS.
Going to have to contact blizzard and hope they give me another one

 

[Ch3tan]

I've been really successful with a 1 gate zealot rush -> 2 gate if it goes that far. My biggest pain is if the initial rush fails.

With a 2 or 4 gate, do I basically pump out zealots and stalkers and ignore the other tech trees?

 

[ST^]

And sentries. With 2-gate start with just zealots. When your early aggression fails, your opponent will tech up and you'll also need to.

 

[Ch3tan]

I don't use sentries, maybe I should start.

With a normal 2 gate, would you ignore forges and cannons early on, and just go for zealots?

What I have been doing is: 8 probes total, pylon, forge, gateway. As soon as the forge is started building, I go scout, find the enemies base and either setup a pylon and cannon inside the enemy base, or just let them chase my probe, at this time i'll be pumping zealots and sending them into the enemy base. It works 9 times out of 10 for me.

 

[mooSe_]

With most normal protoss openings you don't need a forge early on. Usually I think a 2 gate opening is like 9 pylon 10 gate 11 gate or something (not 100% sure as I don't play protoss). Then just keep making probes and zealots and pushing him. If it looks like it's not gonna work then put down a cybernetics core and some more gateways and then push back in again with stalker/zealot/sentry. If this doesn't look like it's gonna win it for you the try and keep the pressure on while you expand and then go robotics facility and robotics bay and add some colossi.
That's what most protoss do vs me in diamond lol. Although rather than opening 2 gateways they sometimes just go 1gateway and block ramp while they get the cybernetics core and the other 3+ gateways. Once warpgate tech is finished they push out with their units and a probe and put a pylon just outside your base so they can warp reinforcements in and then just keep pushing.

 

[Ch3tan]

Man I now love pheonix's. Messed up the start of p v p, and built two forges rather than two gateways. Doh! Had to defend like mad, the other guy, thankfully tried to use all tech trees at once, after an hour of rush and counter rush, I managed to defeat him using mainly phoenix backed stalkers and DT's. You have to micro the graviton beam massively, but it's worth it. They also dominate v's voids.

I always go forge and gateway. Will try a proper two gate, but think I'll do it in practise games as what I'm using works very well at the mo.

What folders are the game replays saved in?