The Reasons why

[Grandpeck]

Herbal i wouldnt know how many mids it was as i was in bed where i should have been at whatever time in the morning it was.

Can someone that was actually on the early raid tell me how many mids it was plz ? Because like many others i was not there.

Stop being such an arsehole towards all mids.Its not like all you damn albs are saints either,and the reason i brought up the ( yearold lol yeah right ) necro LOS issue is that in MY opinion (and i have one) its more lame than any log in raid and or alarm clock raid,yet we mids just had to put up with it didnt we,just like u gonna have to at loosing your precious str relics for a short while.

Just like the one ninja raid u tryed to do where relic went neutral for a short while,u say u want fights u say over relics well that ninja raid didnt have u fighting several hundred mids did it ? Nor did the other ninja raid u did.Double standards all round for u isnt it ?

Just like u should stop your pointless whining and whinging on these boards.Not like u never ever gonna get back the str relics is it ?

And not like many ppl acutally care what the hell u say or for that fact even care about having relics.

Take yourself out of the GAME for a second and again just listen to how sad u are sounding.

I dont give a monkeys arse if u flame me for what i write here carry on its like water off a ducks back to me (age does that to u u know )

Fact is bottom line SOME mids took part in a raid OF THIER OWN DOING,they dont need anyones permission to do this sort of thing
so u lost relics big bloody deal.Just suck it up and take them back whenever u want to i sure as one dont care about relics,being l33t pwning anyone i just want to play this game for FUN.

 

[-yoda-]

i only ready 1st cple posts but ........
imo there is NO exscuse for alarm raid.... YES it is a 24/7 game and you as a realm are well within your rights to raid what ever time u see fit ,

BUT.... imo alarm clock relic raids suck becuase when alarm clock raids start thats alll it will be , all realms will alarm clock raid and have fun KILLING NPC'S and a handfull of defenders that come .

that will mean no more primetime raids.. and nobody isgonna have fun cos no more primetime raids .

you give all the reasons above but to blow them out of the water... you do there there is 6 relics right? so size of alb population has no bearing . why didnt u attack hib power relics (give your casters some love) .


latenight/early morning raids are shit cos you cant hav the fun u would of had (successfull raid or failed) that you would of had at primetime . or at least a better suited time .....

IMHO 12noon-12midnight is a decent time for relic raids and i wouldnt ever frown upon raids during those times. but late night n early morning when populations are at there lowest on ALL 3 realms just sucks .

your even depriving yourself of fun also...... you really think its fun bashing npc's for 30 mins with a 200+ army ...... i personally cant see how that could be fun..

whereas 200+albs attacking mid st relic with 100-200 mids inside/outside defending . would be a SHIT LOAD OF FUN!!! even if we failed im sure it would of been much more fun than bashing npc's .

what a LOT of people tend to forget is . daoc is a GAME. and games are about having fun ... its NOT all about whome has most rp's whome is most uber or the need that you HAVE to win ..... having fun imo is the most important single factor of the game.... which imo alarm clock raids are depriving themselve of!! which is missing out on the fun of epic battles!!


ask people there most memorable doac times.... i bet NOBODY will say (((oooo yes when we raided <insert realm here> relic keep at 7am and it was UBER fun killing npc's and we won!!)))

My guss is all of them will say some sort of epic battle... wether it be bloody bledmeer (for doac vets who can remember that ) or large scale battles involving ENEMY PLAYERS..... nobody on daoc will have a best memory of npc bashing


Win or Lose .. it is possible to have fun . all you gotta do it relax and not take the game so serious to have some!! its when u dont have fun and all u think about is being the best that u should quit the game and go do some IRL stuff

thats just my 2 pence anyways


peace out!

 

[iorlas]

Originally posted by elewyth
Your all fucking tards, claiming that ALB's are honourable, ffs they have almost dbl the player base when zerging, jesus if every mid and every hib could somehow get into Mjoll together wed still be outnumberd and the albs would still zerg thru and take the relics, if you dont see that your fooling yourself.

i dont personally agree with alarm clock relic raids, but like i said before QQ nothing you can do about it, whining aint gonna get your relics back, think your big and brave flaming the raid leader? no your not...you just looking stupid by denying the facts that are staring you in the face, the so called agreement benefits albs and hibs only, mids got the raw deal from it, sure weve done some primetime raids, but for varying reasons, spies, sheer numbers they almost always fail, even if mid god word of an alb RR, we still couldnt stop it, we just dont have a large enough force.

Errr...have you read any of this thread??

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by elewyth
Your all fucking tards, claiming that ALB's are honourable, ffs they have almost dbl the player base when zerging, jesus if every mid and every hib could somehow get into Mjoll together wed still be outnumberd and the albs would still zerg thru and take the relics, if you dont see that your fooling yourself.

1. Try using some facts when you post, it makes you sound big and clever. By no means does Alb have more people put together than Hib and Mid. By the best estimates, Alb has about 15% more active players than Mid alone.
2. Simple question: You have done successful primetime relic raids before. Why could you not do it again?

 

[Grandpeck]

I think a lot of us agree with early rr being lame but we dont control every single player in the realm just cus we play there.

 

[xajorkith]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Sorry, I seem to have missed when we did a raid where we logged out at 1am. A reminder again: at our last successful relic raid, WE WERE SPOTTED LOGGING OUT by Mids, who reported it to their alliance, and you did... nothing. You were warned we were going to raid, and yet because you were so damn sure that Albs couldn't organise a decent raid, you did... nothing.

Belomar & Synsk were caught at 1 am at Mjoliner, also 1-2fg GoL were caught logging off late.

Midgard moved runies and sm to Excal, but what else could Mid do? You had cowardly logged off, we didn’t have spies to tell us when you would return.
The Albion zerg logged in 19 hours after Belomar was last seen, people will not stop playing for that long, they took their main and went Emain, Malmohus etc.
Should Midgard have put all their mains in Mjoliner and wait 48 hours (Albion filtered players through Odin's over 2 days) for Albion to log back in, of course not, it’s a game and people need to play it.

[edit]
Oh and Mid knew all too well that Alb could organise a raid, the previous Alb raid was a Ninja log off raid too.

What would you have done if it happened to you?

 

[Twotosix]

Alb may have more spies but it obviously doesnt bring a halt to your rr's like it has done to ours, u have more numbers u could take svasud let alone any relic keep without using log out tactics (on a fucking sunday when i usually score my smoke and go for sunday dinner), If u cant with your kind of population then you are Soo shit it can't even be put into words.. You used cheap tactics to get the relics in the first place , glam it up and say ninja skills whtever . Ardamel might have approved/started that type of raiding but it's bullshit lame tactics to me..

With the current alb numbers/classes/mentality any relics you have are fair game any time day or night. if you had even 10% of the respect YOU think you deserve maybe this would never have happened but as it is noone gives two flying fucks about anything you feel in or out of this game >;P

qq more

Ps. Ladonna u can have my babies, my heroine >;]=

 

[old.Icebreaker]

1. Hibs do supreme funky supi dupi Prime Time Raids for everyones fun

2. Albs do ok Raids with loads of Rp's involved (for us)

3. Mids do Raids you will notice at 8am when you wake up



A Game should be played for fun. An MMORPG should be played for everyones fun. It's not about getting 20% Bonus just for free without any action. (exept some NPC bashing). The Raids themselfs are the Point of doing them. And to have a fun rr you have to do it in Prime Time where most Players can take part.

And Mids just proved again how many dumb Players they have.
Brainless Pimps

 

[Celeb]

I'm an alb and have an alarm clock. I'd be quite happy to do an alarm clock raid to get the relics back. See how quickly the same middies here defending that action come out against it.

As it turns out if the server carries on being turd the only way to do a raid would be with alarm clocks. Any primetime raids would crash the server :/

 

[vesta]

Originally posted by telaron
Does say alot about your guild and realm doesn't it?

Who the hell are you to judge a whole guild, realm but most of all the ppl playing mid?

if 200 mids attended at raid what the fuck about the rest of us that didnt?

Moron keep your silly words to your self twat, and stop blaming me, and the rest of the people that wasnt present.
They did a alarmclock raid, so the fuck what? do it your self take them back and feel happy when you sit down and wank it on yourself ok?

Now stop your idiotic comments as thats the only thing your posting. Tell me do you suck it on Glottis or maybe you are related to him, cuz your almost as gay as him...almost..


PS. who the fuck are you? some rr2 warder that just dinged 50 2 days ago and feeling the touch or bandwagon zerg, and regular BW whine??

 

[Herbal Remedy]

Originally posted by xajorkith
Belomar & Synsk were caught at 1 am at Mjoliner, also 1-2fg GoL were caught logging off late.

Midgard moved runies and sm to Excal, but what else could Mid do? You had cowardly logged off, we didn’t have spies to tell us when you would return.
The Albion zerg logged in 19 hours after Belomar was last seen, people will not stop playing for that long, they took their main and went Emain, Malmohus etc.
Should Midgard have put all their mains in Mjoliner and wait 48 hours (Albion filtered players through Odin's over 2 days) for Albion to log back in, of course not, it’s a game and people need to play it.

[edit]
Oh and Mid knew all too well that Alb could organise a raid, the previous Alb raid was a Ninja log off raid too.

What would you have done if it happened to you?

Its did happen to us at 7 am we came back for em primetime
Btw xajorkith im comming for relics as you suggested no login no ninjas on 3rd door be happy you got your way just pls dont whine we get em back using superior numbers

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by kiranian-
the reasons why was cause the last time we went for the relics the albs had 40 albs at the relic so they knew we was already coming

yep we knew u were coming.

WE KNEW YOU WERE COMING COS SOME1 SPOTTED 10FG MIDS IN HW AND REPORTED IT!

AND THEN SPOTTED A FURTHER 6FG REMOVING ANY DOUBTS!

AND YOU ALREADY HAD DF AND BENO!

clear?

fs

 

[xajorkith]

Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
Btw xajorkith im comming for relics as you suggested no login no ninjas on 3rd door be happy you got your way just pls dont whine we get em back using superior numbers

I look forward to it honey, you won't get whine from me, just credit and as much respect as I can muster for an Alb. I'm glad we are on speaking terms again and thanks for being the only alb who listened to my constant whines .

Seeing millions of mids out last night, /as whizzing up, several /cg's full, tactics and devious plans being discussed, people moving around the frontier like chess pieces (or wet fish) was much fun...

The Mid Alarm Clock raid will bring a lot of fun to Albs and Mids in the next few days, DAoC will be alive again! TBH the alarm clock raid against the Albs was ace, talk about "The Mouse kicking the Lion in the gonads!"……now the lion has awoken and has some pride (I hope) and sore bollux, lets see what he does

 

[vesta]

Originally posted by pitspawn
lol whats that supposed to proove?

Half of the clerics are bots at least, the infiltrators arent normally part of the relic raid forces, necros cant even rvr so remove all of the population on them and well everyone and their mother has a paladin but not everyone plays them.

Get a clue imo

SBs arent usually a part of RR-same as infilts.
remove the 400 necros fine
75% shamans are buffbots and a good amount of healers buffbots for SBs aswell


that still leaves alb with a larger population just over 3 classes vs mids 4 classes??

You get a clue imo?

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by elewyth
...you just looking stupid by denying the facts that are staring you in the face, the so called agreement benefits albs and hibs only, mids got the raw deal from it, sure weve done some primetime raids, but for varying reasons, spies, sheer numbers they almost always fail, even if mid god word of an alb RR, we still couldnt stop it, we just dont have a large enough force.

How the fuck is it any different for hibs? We have a smaller population then you, we have the same problems, the same hill to climb, only for hibs it's with regards to both realms. Both Albs and Mids have greater numbers then us. Explain how the agreement benefits us more then you?

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by xajorkith
Belomar & Synsk were caught at 1 am at Mjoliner, also 1-2fg GoL were caught logging off late.

Midgard moved runies and sm to Excal, but what else could Mid do? You had cowardly logged off, we didn’t have spies to tell us when you would return.
The Albion zerg logged in 19 hours after Belomar was last seen, people will not stop playing for that long, they took their main and went Emain, Malmohus etc.
Should Midgard have put all their mains in Mjoliner and wait 48 hours (Albion filtered players through Odin's over 2 days) for Albion to log back in, of course not, it’s a game and people need to play it.

Oh and Mid knew all too well that Alb could organise a raid, the previous Alb raid was a Ninja log off raid too.

What would you have done if it happened to you?

You know, I see much bitching from Middies about logout raids, but none of you ever come up with a reason why it's good enough for you to do, but not for any other realms.? Mids created logout raids, and for many months your successes were mostly through logouts or alarm clock clocks.

As soon as someone does it back to you it becomes unfair.

Do you even understand the concept of hypocrisy?

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by xajorkith
Rambling

Hypocrite.
All the evidence reputed every single fact you Mids brought forward. Pics by Ardarmels showing his tactics, similar to Albs...
Still you lot kept bitching about numbers...
You lot do a log out raid against Hibs (lead by Ardarmels) also... but again it is different.
Just admit Midgard is a realm of spineless cowards.
And the leader of this alarm clock raid is a noob.
Regards, Glottis

 

[ardamels]

Log out/in raids are fair, it's a good tactics which enables the realm doing the raid to bring enough numbers behind enemy lines. Albs do it, mids do it and hibs do it to some extent aswell (atleast Jahar said he did something of the sort). It's just a way to gather up enough ppl undetected and has nothing to do with the battle at the relic fort itself, there can and will still be a gigiantic battle at the relic fort, when I use those tactics I still allow hibs/albs to respond. I think it's legitimate, to use it since it gives the attacker a fair chance to even make it to the relic fort and the realm being attacked still has the chance to respond when they get the warning of multiple keeps being attacked.

It's when you use ninja tactics that you won't get the time to respond, but then again ninja tactics is very hard to use and it may very well be easier to just zerg the relic fort.

You don't have to use log out/in tactics to make a successful raid but it's virtually impossible (or very very hard) to do it any other way at prime time when raiding str relics. Log out/in tactics is in no way necessary when raiding pwr relics because of the position of these relic forts.

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by vesta
Who the hell are you to judge a whole guild, realm but most of all the ppl playing mid?

if 200 mids attended at raid what the fuck about the rest of us that didnt?

I based my statment on the discussion wich led to this statement.

Originally posted by kiranian-
In your opion i am a discrase to the guild and realm shame that the guild and mids don't feel that way.

Originally posted by vesta
Moron keep your silly words to your self twat, and stop blaming me, and the rest of the people that wasnt present.
They did a alarmclock raid, so the fuck what? do it your self take them back and feel happy when you sit down and wank it on yourself ok?
Now stop your idiotic comments as thats the only thing your posting. Tell me do you suck it on Glottis or maybe you are related to him, cuz your almost as gay as him...almost..
PS. who the fuck are you? some rr2 warder that just dinged 50 2 days ago and feeling the touch or bandwagon zerg, and regular BW whine??

As for my comments it's up to the reader. Unlike you, I don't go offensive like a 12 year old.
I'm not intrested in doing an alarm clock raid. The +20% melee bonus matters little, the fun of getting it means more.

 

[lpep]

Originally posted by telaron
Seiously is the relics all about +20% melee bonus to you?

to be they're not. If people sink so low and disgrace their realm, guild and themselves as you just have done just because of that friggin bonus it might aswell be removed.
I can understand that radaremainrpfarmwhoreguilds do that though,...
Going up 7 am anyone can do and it adds NOTHING to the game, NOTHING.
Mids failed a rr at primetime, makes up lots of bs excuses to start alarmclock raiding again...

point is mids tried and failed prime time raid due to alb str in numbers,to try the same again to get exactly the same result would be foolish and pointless,If the only way for us to get the relics back was to rr at 0700 then why not ffs..........

and how can a lvl 50 inf talk about sinking low when he goes round df killing grey mids ....

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by lpep
point is mids tried and failed prime time raid due to alb str in numbers,to try the same again to get exactly the same result would be foolish and pointless,If the only way for us to get the relics back was to rr at 0700 then why not ffs..........

and how can a lvl 50 inf talk about sinking low when he goes round df killing grey mids ....

Albion only could take one relic first raid. Second raid failed. Third time we got the remaining two.
Before that midgard had them for what, 6 months?
I attended several large scale keep raids during the time mids had them, at a couple occasions we had the chance to grab them. But it was late and midgard had gone to sleep so we choose not to.
Primetime raids are bound to fail at times. They're not easy to pull off and noone claims that.

Taking relics at 7 am still adds nothing to the game and if that's how it's supposed to be they might aswell be removed.



As for DF I kill most mids/hibs I can, just as I they rightfully did to me when I was leveling.

 

[gingger]

I agree with Telaron, except when his g/f disagrees with him then i agree with her

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by ardamels
Log out/in raids are fair, it's a good tactics which enables the realm doing the raid to bring enough numbers behind enemy lines. Albs do it, mids do it and hibs do it to some extent aswell (atleast Jahar said he did something of the sort). It's just a way to gather up enough ppl undetected and has nothing to do with the battle at the relic fort itself, there can and will still be a gigiantic battle at the relic fort, when I use those tactics I still allow hibs/albs to respond. I think it's legitimate, to use it since it gives the attacker a fair chance to even make it to the relic fort and the realm being attacked still has the chance to respond when they get the warning of multiple keeps being attacked.

It's when you use ninja tactics that you won't get the time to respond, but then again ninja tactics is very hard to use and it may very well be easier to just zerg the relic fort.

You don't have to use log out/in tactics to make a successful raid but it's virtually impossible (or very very hard) to do it any other way at prime time when raiding str relics. Log out/in tactics is in no way necessary when raiding pwr relics because of the position of these relic forts.

Not arguing about the merits of a logout raid, I am merely pointing out that amount of Mids that don't seem to understand that they too used logouts in raids is huge.

Maybe after your explaination they will understand the difference of a logout raid and a ninja raid, cos they're in the process of making right nobs of themselves.

 

[filofax]

Originally posted by gingger
I agree with Telaron, except when his g/f disagrees with him then i agree with her

Good boy!

 

[elewyth]

/quote]originally posted by some stupid alb leader
be happy you got your way just pls dont whine we get em back using superior numbers[/quote]


Superior numbers eh? hmm yep yep albs use tactics alright, just proved my point that the only way albs can get relics is to use sheer numbers, lots of skill in that aint there?
and you call those who do Alarm clock raids losers? take a good look at your tactics matey, instead of bringin 800? which i doubt you could even get atm, try bringin 2-300 and see how well you do, i can guarantee you wont even get past MMG in Odins, zerg leader!

 

[filofax]

Talk about missing the point...

 

[thorwyntf]

Superior numbers eh? hmm yep yep albs use tactics alright, just proved my point that the only way albs can get relics is to use sheer numbers, lots of skill in that aint there?

 

[ardamels]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Not arguing about the merits of a logout raid, I am merely pointing out that amount of Mids that don't seem to understand that they too used logouts in raids is huge.

Maybe after your explaination they will understand the difference of a logout raid and a ninja raid, cos they're in the process of making right nobs of themselves.

You hit the nail m8, that's why I'm trying to differentiate these two tactics There are loads of mids/albs/hibs who seem to think that ninja tactics = log out/in tactics, when they are in fact two entirely different things.

Everyone who has ever organized or particiapated in a prime time relic raid on a str relic fort where the entire relic raid force set out from the portal keep, experienced two things:

1. They most likely didn't get undetected to the relic fort and hence lowered their chances.

2. The raid most likely failed miserably.

 

[herjulf]

Originally posted by filofax
Stop with the made-up numbers already please.. its really getting silly, I'v even seen ppl write that there were 1200 albs and 150 mids... and soon I bet there was 50 mids and 200 albs that morning.

3 full chatgrps, aight ...

 

[becana]

Originally posted by Gordonax
1. Try using some facts when you post, it makes you sound big and clever. By no means does Alb have more people put together than Hib and Mid. By the best estimates, Alb has about 15% more active players than Mid alone.
2. Simple question: You have done successful primetime relic raids before. Why could you not do it again?

15% more active player or 1137 more subscribers than mids if you read the stats. And 1864 more subs than us a minor difference that cant have any influence in a rr can it ??