The Reasons why

[del_eneste]

Originally posted by iorlas
Well aslong as we have crossrealmers in our realm... we need no excuses for alarm clock raids!!
You moron have you actually read any of the other posts??

You think mid is the only realm with spys? get a clue plz kkthx. Albs done primetime raids and havent lost because of a "spy". Also last time Mids tried a primetime relic raid we didnt know..but when you take all our keeps that kind of gives it away doesnt it dipshit?.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by del_eneste
You think mid is the only realm with spys? get a clue plz kkthx. Albs done primetime raids and havent lost because of a "spy". Also last time Mids tried a primetime relic raid we didnt know..but when you take all our keeps that kind of gives it away doesnt it dipshit?.

iorlas was quoting, but lost the quotes: his bit was agreeing with you

 

[corentmm]

Maybe the "huge" alb zerg everyone talks about is because in alb almost everyone who can get to sauvage without being eaten by a bandit comes to the raids - because big raids are what RvR in camelot is about. Maybe it crashes the server...but taking the whole of alb to mid and not getting a relic is more commendable than only uber leet lvl 50 mids setting their alarm clocks (I am assuming here that your level 20 population didn't bother to wake up for it - except the /level 20 spies).

And quote whoever said people had forgotten what relics were about - albs sure as hell haven't imo.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

I cannot believe that Mids actually listened to this relic raid "leader". Every single point he has made can be clearly refuted by anyone who plays this game for a year.
Ardarmel lead the first alarm clock raid on Albion after Albs held the strength relics for 6 months. After that Midgard held the strength relics for a while, finally losing them after a prolonged fight of more than 12 hours, with Corpse Summoners being used and LoS issues exploited on the 5 necro's that where online (and the fact Mids decided to log at 5 am). Again Mids took the relics via an alarm clock raid, and this time Albs did 2 prime time relic raids to retake them. And before you go complain about ninjastyle logout raids, these tactics where employed by Ardarmel also in the relic raids Midgard did on Hibernia.. yes, the smallest of the 3 realms...
Yawn... I don't mind people are biased to their realm, but to lose all touch with reality is a bit sad. Get your fact straight if you want to use them to claim that your alarm clock raid was justified.
Regards, Glottis

 

[iorlas]

OOOps bit of cock up...was saying all realms have the same problem.
I like weed

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
And before you go complain about ninjastyle logout raids, these tactics where employed by Ardarmel also in the relic raids Midgard did on Hibernia.. yes, the smallest of the 3 realms...

when he also brought enough attackers to outnumber the defense by 50%, as well as it being a questionable time (saturday afternoon, not as bad as 7am, but server population wasn't exactly very high at the time)

it was a good raid however

hibs managed to scrape up enough defense to prevent the loss of the other 2 power relics which I guess proves the time wasn't particularly bad either.

 

[xajorkith]

A few facts:
(1) The number of raids:
There were actually "two" Relic Raids against Alb after the Albion "zerg 1 am non PT log out raid". The one most Albs don't know about was cancelled an hour before it was due because an Albion had cheated and was talking about it on mIRC, Albion had dumped 6fg at HW with more inc.

(2) X-realmers:
After two relic raids on the trot were ruined by Albion cheaters, Ladonna didn’t even trust his own guild, his raid was not posted on the WR Alliance forums (like all previous raids were), he told officers about it only the day before and hand picked the team. White Rose is rife with X-realming Albion spies. The number of times I have seen in /gu "Hi I'm xxxx I have a level 50 xxx in xxx guild on Excal\Alb" is amazing, obviously they get kicked, but those that don't declare see everything.
I too would love to know why Albs don't have to worry about x-realmers though we all remember the Hib X-realmer who destroyed an Albion Relic Raid.

(3) Population.
Albion understates its population:
(Old stats and possibly inaccurate, but they give a flavour of my point. They are at the least more reliable than the figures posted above.)
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

After two years I suspect nearly every player has at the very least one level 50.
There are 4714 Albion players
There are 3577 Midgard players

This means Midgard is roughly outnumbered 4 to 3 by Albion.

(4) Last Albion Raid.
Remember Albs, no matter how much you go on about how wonderful your last raid was, in Mids eyes it was just a lame raid no better than an Alarm clock raid. Mids will not convince Albs that the Alb raid was cheap and Albs will not convince Mids that it was a good raid.
Why does the Realm with a 4 to 3 advantage have to log out its huge zerg directly outside Mjoliner in the early hours of the morning? To avoid an Epic battle and to only fight NPC's that's why. The Albion Propaganda machine says it was Mids fault cos they didn't react, this is of course bollux, Mid did react, they had to suicide, seek a healer, they had to form up into sufficiently large enough to enable some of them to get to a gatekeeper and in. All the Mid Mjoliner RMs and SM;s were killed off by the Trebuchets. Mids didn’t even have enough players online to fairly engage the Albion zerg that "matarialised" in uppland. In Mids eyes, Albion gave Mids no chance to defend much the same way as Mid gave Alb no chance to defend during an Alarm Clock Raid.


IMHO if last nights Albion "Revenge Relic Raid" had been successful it would have been the finest raid so far, other than Midgard not having Albion numbers, Midgard would have had no reason to complain.

Most of the Albion’s on this topic are so biased it's unbelievable, they must have all gone to the same school at the Iraqi Information Minister!

Relic Raid Realm Advantages:

Hibernian:
Midgard and Albion power keeps are out of the way and difficult to defend, Hibernias Power Relic is defendable. Hibs being the magic realm care less for the Melee Relics.
(IMHO) Magic plays a more significant part in keeps takes and defence than Melee.
Emain Macha is so busy any Relic Force is immediately reported, HW and Odin’s are mostly empty.

Albion:
The Zerg can take relics at will:
Albion has 4 to 3 advantage over Midgard
Albion has 5 to 3 advantage over Hibernia

Midgards?
Midgard has 5 to 4 advantage over Hibernia.
You tell me?

I’m not justifying Alarm Clock raids, I’m setting a few facts straight and asking what advantage does Mid have in Relic Raids. I’m not expecting any coherent constructive replies from the albs…..

 

[iorlas]

Another lovely speach, still doesn't take away the fact it was a cowardly Alarm Clock raid

 

[xajorkith]

Originally posted by xajorkith I’m not expecting any coherent constructive replies from the albs…..

iorlas I take it you play as an Albion?

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by xajorkith
(2) X-realmers:
After two relic raids on the trot were ruined by Albion cheaters, Ladonna didn’t even trust his own guild, his raid was not posted on the WR Alliance forums (like all previous raids were), he told officers about it only the day before and hand picked the team. White Rose is rife with X-realming Albion spies. The number of times I have seen in /gu "Hi I'm xxxx I have a level 50 xxx in xxx guild on Excal\Alb" is amazing, obviously they get kicked, but those that don't declare see everything.
I too would love to know why Albs don't have to worry about x-realmers though we all remember the Hib X-realmer who destroyed an Albion Relic Raid.

Hib has to deal with x-realmers too, we have shitloads of them. We still managed to succeed regardless.

(4) Last Albion Raid.
Remember Albs, no matter how much you go on about how wonderful your last raid was, in Mids eyes it was just a lame raid no better than an Alarm clock raid. Mids will not convince Albs that the Alb raid was cheap and Albs will not convince Mids that it was a good raid.
Why does the Realm with a 4 to 3 advantage have to log out its huge zerg directly outside Mjoliner in the early hours of the morning? To avoid an Epic battle and to only fight NPC's that's why.

Mids did the same to Hibs. All of Mid raids have been log out raids in recent times. And the Mid zerg far outnumbered the Hib zerg.

The Albion Propaganda machine says it was Mids fault cos they didn't react, this is of course bollux, Mid did react, they had to suicide, seek a healer, they had to form up into sufficiently large enough to enable some of them to get to a gatekeeper and in. All the Mid Mjoliner RMs and SM;s were killed off by the Trebuchets. Mids didn’t even have enough players online to engage the Albion zerg that "matarialised" in uppland fairly. In Mids eyes, Albion gave Mids no chance to defend much the same way as Mid gave Alb no chance to defend during an Alarm Clock Raid.

Hib faced the same problem, except it wasn't even at PRIME time. We lost one relic and managed to save the other two, you did not. Why can Hib succeed while you can't when faced with the same situation?

Advantages:

Hibernian:
Midgard and Albion power keeps are out of the way and difficult to defend, Hibernias Power Relic is defendable. Hibs being the magic realm care less for the Melee Relics.

No longer valid with the advent of housing.

(IMHO) Magic plays a more significant part in keeps takes and defence than Melee.

Mid casters are VERY good. You also have the advantage that you tend to rvr more with melee classes so you can leave your caster alts/mains logged at your relic keep while you RvR with your melee chars.
Mid also has far more chars with GTAoE than Hib or Alb.
The advantages are not as clear cut as you make them out. RA's and spell distribution play an important factor too. (eg. BAoD, insta stun, GP, SoS, BF, VP etc etc etc..)

 

[becana]

Numbers

Originally posted by pitspawn
There are no excuses for alarm clock raids. Make up a thousand reasons all you like but none of them can justify organising 200 people to wake up at the least populated hour of the day to avoid any resistance to take the relics that we EARNED

Ohh yes u earned it allright, with 42.45% of the total server population vs Mids 32.23% and us poor hibs 26.53%

And before u start ohh its not abt numbers, well lets take a look at the 4 most populated 50's on each realm

ALBS
Cleric 570 50's
Pala 520 50's
Necro 400 50's
Infils 380 50's
= 1870

MIDS
Healer 387 50's
Shammy 380 50's
Skald 320 50's
SB 300 50's
= 1387
HIBS
Chanter 380 50's
Druid 370 50's
Bards 300 50's
Hero 220 50's
= 1270

Numbers aint everything, but these numbers sure say alott.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by xajorkith
A few facts:
(3) Population.
Albion understates its population:
(Old stats and possibly inaccurate, but they give a flavour of my point. They are at the least more reliable than the figures posted above.)
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

If you bother to look at the number rr2 , you all of the sudden see 1699 vs 1413. Hardly very big, as only about 200 of each realm will take part in a relic raid. Mids have often retook keeps with 150+ Mids, so it should not be too hard...
Even yesterday evening, there were around 300 Albs in the Mid frontier. Annoyed as hell, but no where near the 1k we should in theory be able to muster.

Originally posted by xajorkith
IMHO if last nights Albion "Revenge Relic Raid" had been successful it would have been the finest raid so far, other than Midgard not having Albion numbers, Midgard would have had no reason to complain.

Most of the Albion’s on this topic are so biased it's unbelievable, they must have all gone to the same school at the Iraqi Information Minister!

If we would have succeeded last night (it was not a relic raid though, more of a lets annoy some Mid noobs raid) you would still do an alarm clock raid next time. We have proven Albion is able to do prime time raids due to the right leadership by Herbal and Lac. Midgard lacks leaders with any form of intelligence, one noob who apparently lead the alarm clock raid even claims it was fair... Albs can take those relics in prime time all they want, the Mid noob savage/healers zergers will take them via an alarm clock raid again. Mids have bitched about every prime time raid we have done, simple because we have a slightly higher population, because we have 2 classes that can climb walls, and just cause we are Albions. So don't tell Albs we are biased. We all agreed alarm clock raids were for lowlife scum. Midgard just felt that was a fitting discription of how they are in real life, and in game.
Regards, Glottis

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by xajorkith
A few facts:
(1) The number of raids:
(4) Last Albion Raid.
Remember Albs, no matter how much you go on about how wonderful your last raid was, in Mids eyes it was just a lame raid no better than an Alarm clock raid. Mids will not convince Albs that the Alb raid was cheap and Albs will not convince Mids that it was a good raid.
Why does the Realm with a 4 to 3 advantage have to log out its huge zerg directly outside Mjoliner in the early hours of the morning? To avoid an Epic battle and to only fight NPC's that's why. The Albion Propaganda machine says it was Mids fault cos they didn't react, this is of course bollux, Mid did react, they had to suicide, seek a healer, they had to form up into sufficiently large enough to enable some of them to get to a gatekeeper and in. All the Mid Mjoliner RMs and SM;s were killed off by the Trebuchets. Mids didn’t even have enough players online to fairly engage the Albion zerg that "matarialised" in uppland. In Mids eyes, Albion gave Mids no chance to defend much the same way as Mid gave Alb no chance to defend during an Alarm Clock Raid.

Majority of the mids in these forums congratulated albs for a well performed raid. In fact I belive you was basicly the only whiner at that point. Ofc I'm not surprised to see that it's ur guild who resorts to lamest of lamness later.

Their was no particular time the force outside mjolnir logged but it was spread out. People logging was spotted by mid stealthers, they got very little response when reporting it.

Another huge diffrence is the planning and work it took. You said it yourself, the lame 13 year old kiddo here told the officers the night before. How long time did Herbal and Lac spend planning the alb raid?

 

[pitspawn]

Originally posted by becana
Ohh yes u earned it allright, with 42.45% of the total server population vs Mids 32.23% and us poor hibs 26.53%

And before u start ohh its not abt numbers, well lets take a look at the 4 most populated 50's on each realm

ALBS
Cleric 570 50's
Pala 520 50's
Necro 400 50's
Infils 380 50's
= 1870

MIDS
Healer 387 50's
Shammy 380 50's
Skald 320 50's
SB 300 50's
= 1387
HIBS
Chanter 380 50's
Druid 370 50's
Bards 300 50's
Hero 220 50's
= 1270

Numbers aint everything, but these numbers sure say alott.

lol whats that supposed to proove?

Half of the clerics are bots at least, the infiltrators arent normally part of the relic raid forces, necros cant even rvr so remove all of the population on them and well everyone and their mother has a paladin but not everyone plays them.

Get a clue imo

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Actually

The mids took the power relics at 5am, the only managed to get 2 relics before we logged back in.

Jupp that was our first LFoM-Alliance RR, it was done with arround 50ppl.

Originally posted by old.Nol

We then took the hib relic back again at prime time.

...but you did try both early and late time RR that easily according to your own standard was out of PT.

Originally posted by old.Nol

Mids then took the alb strength relics. We took the mid power relic back - again at prime time with more then enough mids logged in to defend easily, but you decided the Albs in Nott were a bigger threat and lost the relic.

First of all there is a huge difference. We had 5 relics, meaning you could go for the Relics without taking down keeps. And as everybody have told you we "let" you take one of them when you decided to RR at the same time as we had 300+ albs going nutts in our frontier. I would like to see you stand up for your preaching if there ever come a day when Albion have 3str Relics and Midgard has 3pow Realics (or vice versa). It will only lead to 2 thing as you do not have enough ppl - either zone or server crash or you will get whipped (during PT).

Originally posted by old.Nol

Then mids came back prime time with 300 mids on a logout raid (just like albs did to you and you're bitching to high heaven about it) and took the hib relic back.

Our raid was no Ninja-raid, and they had loads of time to gather, cuz our forces was taking down keeps first.

Originally posted by old.Nol

Hib went in prime time, with the smallest population, with spies and we succeeded again, like every successful Hib relic raid. The only logouts on that raid were used to dupe mid spies, and it worked.

You go do a primetime RR on Excalibur and tell me how it whent. Albion would easily overwelm you with 3-1. All this is BS and so easy 4 you to say when you benfit on it. It is in Hibs best interest that Migard and Albion figth for the Str-relics and if they do manage to get some pwr-relics you know its not gonna get that though getting it back, when either Midgard or Albion also have to defend the Strrelic. Actually you could w8 for one us to do a rr, then gather up and take a relic back home, cuz you KNOW that when the shit hits the fan both Midgard and Albion will protect the Str-relics over the pwr.

It would be f0cking hillarious if Albion took the 3 str-relics back, then we take the 3 pwr-relics from you. GL with doing a PT raid on us then.

Originally posted by old.Nol

It's not about whether you succeed or not(which is great if you do). It's about having fun, so what if you die on door 1, so long as it was fun.

Yes, but it sux when even b4 the raid your getting told that Albion knows, cuz some fucking lamer told on irc. I salute Ladonna for arranging our RR regardless of the time it was done. I know and everyboy else should know that the PT (2000+ on server) you guys are talking about atm is an illusion. At least when it come to Mids/Hibs attacking Excalibur.

 

[phule_gubben]

OK wajners....

Bend over and take it like a man.

Get your zerg or whatever u like, goinand charge Mjollnir whenever u feckin want. If I'm online I'll try to defend If I'm not, so what.

Throw away that broken record now.

Yes it was a lame raid.

Yes u can raid whenever u want

Yes all realms zerg

Yes savages are overpowered

Yes Yes Yes Yes....

there, satisfied now?

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by xajorkith
(2) X-realmers:
After two relic raids on the trot were ruined by Albion cheaters, Ladonna didn’t even trust his own guild, his raid was not posted on the WR Alliance forums (like all previous raids were), he told officers about it only the day before and hand picked the team. White Rose is rife with X-realming Albion spies. The number of times I have seen in /gu "Hi I'm xxxx I have a level 50 xxx in xxx guild on Excal\Alb" is amazing, obviously they get kicked, but those that don't declare see everything.
I too would love to know why Albs don't have to worry about x-realmers though we all remember the Hib X-realmer who destroyed an Albion Relic Raid.

Dont' get me wrong: cross-realming sucks, and as far as I'm concerned anyone doing it should get a permaban. But, like you, I ask the question why Albs don't have to worry about it: are you implying that ONLY albs cross-realm? Because, like all "only realm X does Y" claims, that's bound to be bullshit.

[/B]
(3) Population.
Albion understates its population:
(Old stats and possibly inaccurate, but they give a flavour of my point. They are at the least more reliable than the figures posted above.)
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

After two years I suspect nearly every player has at the very least one level 50.
There are 4714 Albion players
There are 3577 Midgard players

This means Midgard is roughly outnumbered 4 to 3 by Albion.

[/B]

Even if your figures are right, then that doesn't mean you can't do a primetime relic raid. It simply means that you have to consider it a long term campaign objective, not something that you can get (if you'll forgive the joke) overnight. Remember when Killgorde took all the Alb keeps, every night, for a couple of weeks, until Alb simply stopped showing up and he was able to walk into Excal undefended? Remember that Fellowship and SS alliances did the same to you for a couple of months, until you stopped defending - at which point Herbal and Lac pulled off their relic raid? None of these tactics depend on population - they depend on wearing down the enemies resistence, over a period of weeks.

But you haven't done that.

(4) Last Albion Raid.
Remember Albs, no matter how much you go on about how wonderful your last raid was, in Mids eyes it was just a lame raid no better than an Alarm clock raid. Mids will not convince Albs that the Alb raid was cheap and Albs will not convince Mids that it was a good raid.

"Herbal's raid must have been incredibly hard to organize, it was on prime time and that kind of tactics is easily dealt with if ppl just get to know of it in time. 1 FG can waylay such a plan but we did not, cuz we were not prepared but we should've been. I think this one deserves credit" - Ardamels, from http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77581

Why does the Realm with a 4 to 3 advantage have to log out its huge zerg directly outside Mjoliner in the early hours of the morning? To avoid an Epic battle and to only fight NPC's that's why.

Fact 1: We didn't log out a huge zerg outside Mjoll during the early hours. We logged out several different groups in several different locations, over the course of two nights. What's more we were spotted doing so, and you still didn't react.

The Albion Propaganda machine says it was Mids fault cos they didn't react, this is of course bollux, Mid did react, they had to suicide, seek a healer, they had to form up into sufficiently large enough to enable some of them to get to a gatekeeper and in. All the Mid Mjoliner RMs and SM;s were killed off by the Trebuchets. Mids didn’t even have enough players online to engage the Albion zerg that "matarialised" in uppland fairly. In Mids eyes, Albion gave Mids no chance to defend much the same way as Mid gave Alb no chance to defend during an Alarm Clock Raid.

Read again what Ardamels posted at the time: you could have defended, you didn't, you lost the relics.

 

[pitspawn]

Once again...

If your gloating about gaining those relics from doing an alarm clock raid your doing RR for the wrong reason. Relics are there to put largest scale battles in the game. Alarm clock raids are not large scale battles. By raiding at 7am (the least populated game hour of the day) you are not giving the opposing realm a chance, its not 'tactics' its bullshit and its lame. Now stop making up crap excuses and accept that what was done was wrong.

 

[Gordonax]

Re: Numbers

Originally posted by becana
Ohh yes u earned it allright, with 42.45% of the total server population vs Mids 32.23% and us poor hibs 26.53%

And before u start ohh its not abt numbers, well lets take a look at the 4 most populated 50's on each realm

ALBS
Cleric 570 50's
Pala 520 50's
Necro 400 50's
Infils 380 50's
= 1870

MIDS
Healer 387 50's
Shammy 380 50's
Skald 320 50's
SB 300 50's
= 1387
HIBS
Chanter 380 50's
Druid 370 50's
Bards 300 50's
Hero 220 50's
= 1270

Numbers aint everything, but these numbers sure say alott.

Yes, it says that every realm has enough level 50's to carry out a well-planned primetime relic raid. In fact, given that perhaps 3 of those necros are ever seen in RvR (they're cashfarmers mostly), you could even argue that Mids have a bit of numerical advantage in terms of effective RvR classes

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Runolaz

First of all there is a huge difference. We had 5 relics, meaning you could go for the Relics without taking down keeps. And as everybody have told you we "let" you take one of them when you decided to RR at the same time as we had 300+ albs going nutts in our frontier.

oh yes, those 200 mids waiting at hmg odins were LETTING us get that relic.. thanks for LETTING us know...

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Runolaz
Jupp that was our first LFoM-Alliance RR, it was done with arround 50ppl.

and that makes it ok.


...but you did try both early and late time RR that easily according to your own standard was out of PT.

neither raid had over 100 people nor were they backed by the cf alliance, as we have stated time and again we will not raid out of peak.

First of all there is a huge difference. We had 5 relics, meaning you could go for the Relics without taking down keeps. And as everybody have told you we "let" you take one of them when you decided to RR at the same time as we had 300+ albs going nutts in our frontier.

Going nuts was in fact a farming session in nottmoor with far less then 300 Albs.

I would like to see you stand up for your preaching if there ever come a day when Albion have 3str Relics and Midgard has 3pow Realics (or vice versa). It will only lead to 2 thing as you do not have enough ppl - either zone or server crash or you will get whipped (during PT).

I will preach prime time regardless, you seem to miss the point here, taking relics from npc's is worth nothing. It's definitely not worth me setting an alarm clock to do, it's a joke, it's like setting an alarm clock to raid the fucking dragon. I would rather die attempting a real raid. Can you comprehend this, or must I explain in further detail?

Our raid was no Ninja-raid, and they had loads of time to gather, cuz our forces was taking down keeps first.

They did the exact same thing to you a couple of weeks later, and you lot bitched about necro los and found another excuse why that raid was lame.

You go do a primetime RR on Excalibur and tell me how it whent. Albion would easily overwelm you with 3-1. All this is BS and so easy 4 you to say when you benfit on it. It is in Hibs best interest that Migard and Albion figth for the Str-relics and if they do manage to get some pwr-relics you know its not gonna get that though getting it back, when either Midgard or Albion also have to defend the Strrelic. Actually you could w8 for one us to do a rr, then gather up and take a relic back home, cuz you KNOW that when the shit hits the fan both Midgard and Albion will protect the Str-relics over the pwr.

Yes we are comfortable with power relics thank you, we always will be, because our groups tend to caster based, unlike mid. So you're welcome to fight over str relics, but don't for one second think that means Hibs are not going to try. You see, the joy is in the trying and taking, there is no excitement to be garnered from 4am npc raids.

It would be f0cking hillarious if Albion took the 3 str-relics back, then we take the 3 pwr-relics from you. GL with doing a PT raid on us then.

What would be fucking hilarious is to see you even try. You tried excal once before resorting to yelllow tactics. On our last raid we failed 3 times before we succeeded..

Yes, but it sux when even b4 the raid your getting told that Albion knows, cuz some fucking lamer told on irc. I salute Ladonna for arranging our RR regardless of the time it was done. I know and everyboy else should know that the PT (2000+ on server) you guys are talking about atm is an illusion. At least when it come to Mids/Hibs attacking Excalibur.

I had to deal with middy spies in my raid too, 2 of 3 attempts were ruined by spies. It's actually easier when you have a spy, identify them and feed them the wrong info, then you get to play your enemy like a fine tuned fiddle. I could have got the relic long before I did if I decided to raid with an alarm.

As stated, I would rather die trying, then stoop to begging, because that's akin to what you did. You embarrassed yourselves, you gave in to weak temptation, for what?

Do you really need the relics that badly?
Is it so tough to play without a 20% bonus?
What did that raid achieve?

It certainly couldn't have made mids feel any better about themselves, if anything it probably made the decent ones feel worse.

Congratulations, you've accomplished nothing.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Do you really need the relics that badly?
Is it so tough to play without a 20% bonus?
What did that raid achieve?

It certainly couldn't have made mids feel any better about themselves, if anything it probably made the decent ones feel worse.

Congratulations, you've accomplished nothing.

 

[iorlas]

iorlas I take it you play as an Albion?

Let me check a sec......yup i'm an alb...I have a backbone...

 

[acei]

It would be f0cking hillarious if Albion took the 3 str-relics back, then we take the 3 pwr-relics from you. GL with doing a PT raid on us then.

Hibernia is caster based they're the ULTIMATE keep defense/offense realm, they can slaughter entire zergs with PBAOE... you stand no chance if you go for Hibernia and you know it.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Amadon
oh yes, those 200 mids waiting at hmg odins were LETTING us get that relic.. thanks for LETTING us know...

Think you are refering the wrong raid, we did not have 200 mids at hmg as we were figthing the Albs, at one I'm talking about.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Runolaz
Think you are refering the wrong raid, we did not have 200 mids at hmg as we were figthing the Albs, at one I'm talking about.

The one where we took back the Hib power relic when Albs were on Nottmoor, there were no Mids at Grallahorn so we got in pretty easily, however there was a huge Mid force waiting for us at HMG Odins, and VGN made a superb effort to get through that zerg alive with the relic. It was the second last successful relic raid that Hibs did that I'm referring to. Afaik we haven't done another raid simultaneous to having large numbers of Albs in the Mid frontier in recent times.

 

[Aussie-]

so if i can make a conclusion from all these pathetic excuses:
there is no reason why albs should do primetime raids in the future, mids take them back when they want.
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lol @ spy excuse

Inform 200 ppl (mids) about relicraid
or
Inform 400 ppl (albs) about relicraid

guess which one has the biggest chance on spies

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by acei
Hibernia is caster based they're the ULTIMATE keep defense/offense realm, they can slaughter entire zergs with PBAOE... you stand no chance if you go for Hibernia and you know it.

necro:
pet on stay downstair
run to relicroom
wave to everyone
take relic

xD

 

[becana]

Originally posted by pitspawn
lol whats that supposed to proove?

Half of the clerics are bots at least, the infiltrators arent normally part of the relic raid forces, necros cant even rvr so remove all of the population on them and well everyone and their mother has a paladin but not everyone plays them.

Get a clue imo

Lol and the shammys are ofc dont used as bb are they It is very funny too listen too your excuses, but I doubt anyone but a alb would give you right.

And too say that stealters aint normaly part of a rr force is just LOL. Oki lets take away the Necros who dont rvr (though I seem too run into them in rvr)

class number 5 in Albion 370 lvl 50 Armsmenn, (guess they dont rvr either)

class number 6 in Albion 360 lvl 50 Minstrels (guess they not part of your rr force either since they can stealth som how)

Class number 7 in Albion 320 lvl 50 Wizz

But let the numbers speak for itself

9.272 activ albion chars
5.531 activ hib chars
7.040 activ mid chars

Albion 4.714 subscribers
Hibernia 2.850 subscribers
Midgard 3.577 subscribers

I am not supporting the Mid alarmclock raid, but it seems they only realm who gains on not doing alarm clock raids are the albs.

 

[Belomar]

Xajorkith, your posts are as always laughable, even if it is endearing to see you try. Ok, if White Rose is riddled with cross-realmers, I suggest you clean up your own backyard before you start blaming others. And as for you rehashing your broken record act about ninja raids, may I once again point you to the fact that ninja raids were introduced first on Excalibur by Ardamel on a Mid relic raid. You need to address this point before you are even entitled to whine about Herbal's and Lac's raids.

Or, to make things more clear:

Notice the A1 through A3 "logging points"? There is also one in the NE corner of Forest Sauvage. What do you think this means? This screenshot is dated April 22nd, 2003, long before any other "ninja raids" were conceived.

The fact of the matter still stands, that Hibs and Albs no longer do alarm clock raids. Mids are a different story, sadly enough.