The current moderators

[Javai]

If the mods doesn't keep track of the RvR scene it must be hard to see what should be treated as an insult, or add-whine, or similar things no?

Actually it would probably produce 'better' moderating if the mods didn't play DaoC at all, not that I am advocating that, but if you don't play and have no links with a perceived play style or a guild then people would be much less quick to suggest modding is biased in some way.

Just as certain people in game think the game should revolve around their playstyle so they also think that a set of forums (of which the DaoC rvr forum is one of many) should revolve around their perceptions and whines.

 

[scarloc]

and they are still avoiding the subject yes hehe. I doubt we are gonna get an answer to the "alternative" forum. I think i know what the answer is though. Since 90% of all whines are without a doubt add whine in one form or another, they could never think about going another forum since tadaaaa: the guys they wanna whine on are most likely not gonna be there to hear them out And thats the key thing in the drama. A forum for them to ventilate that rvr frustration to their likes and hopefully the guy they are angry on.
So..not likely they are gonna move. But lets hope
eb.

The answer (that I think both yourself and Golena know already) is that it would 90% fall flat on its face. This is the "spiritual home" of most daocers, and the best alternative to date has been the prydwen.net hib forum.

Im just suggesting that the forum has lost something recently, it used to be a good place to laugh at everyone else for taking the game so seriously, now (maybe because there arent so many setgroups out to create the threads, maybe because of the premature locking of threads, maybe a bit of both) its just not anymore, and its got a bit too PC for me personally.

If you get rid of everything with a flame in it, you might as well just turn the grats thread section back into the RVR section.

 

[Bistrup666]

There are good mod and bad mod.

I think this thread lured one of the .... well U can guess what I mean.

But hey who is moderating the mods so

Mostly thought they did a good job but some of the stuff posted by mod's in this thread was just way out there

 

[Shike]

im generally ok with the mods, would just wish for more modding where bad posts etc are removed, instead of closed threads. Thats all

hence my lil no that really doesnt matter at all in the end since its up to the owners of the boards to set rules etc.

 

[Straef]

Actually it would probably produce 'better' moderating if the mods didn't play DaoC at all, not that I am advocating that, but if you don't play and have no links with a perceived play style or a guild then people would be much less quick to suggest modding is biased in some way.

Just as certain people in game think the game should revolve around their playstyle so they also think that a set of forums (of which the DaoC rvr forum is one of many) should revolve around their perceptions and whines.

It would probably be the best way to get unbiassed mods, but it would make them unable to judge certain things quite as good due to lack of game knowledge, I think.

 

[islef]

Voted i think the mods are fine.
Cant see why the mods get extremely defensive in this thread tho, but i guess there has been just one too many posts like this..
I would just like to ask one simple question to all those that say mods suck arse etc, I think you are entitled to that oppinion ofcourse, BUT:
Could all of you do the job better yourself? thread starter talks of new blood, just apply for mod duty and hope you get it if you feel so strongly about it? I truly believe it is a harsh job and im sure glad i do not have to do it, and i am fairly sure most of those that want new mods would turn alot in the forum against themselves, if they were the ones doing the modding.
So many people means so many views, ethics, morals oppinions and it is just not possible to please them all.

Signing out and just happy someone can be arsed to mod this forum as i surely could not.

/isle.

 

[pjuppe]

No it doesn't show everything, but a rr11 player is going to know a hell of alot more than a rr2 player. Agreek ?

haha, i fail to see what skills a RR11 player would have gained to make him a better mod.

im generally ok with the mods, would just wish for more modding where bad posts etc are removed, instead of closed threads. Thats all

totaly agree.

don't know why you whine at the mods. seems to be the idiots that get's banned and crap threads locked anyway, so i'm happy. if the moddning would lean more towards cleaning up threads instead of locking them i would be even happier.

 

[Escape]

There's no requirement for users to pay £10 to use these forums, it's a pointless issue to raise. Arguably a users contribution is more important than his money.

Flim and eggy are doing a decent job, imo. A couple of the others seem to be modding for the powertrip.

 

[Solari]

I got a permanent 20% warning due to this:

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=195626&page=3

Personally I don't think the mods do that well.

 

[islef]

Hmmm posting "grats retard adder"....
I actually think a few people would find that offensive even if you dont. Sure you are free to feel that way, but stating that this is not just a "feel good forum" is your oppinion and not everyone elses.

Dont see the problem in a 20% warn for that :touch:

 

[Dimse Dut]

No it doesn't show everything, but a rr11 player is going to know a hell of alot more than a rr2 player. Agreek ?

As for the 1337 gank groups, well yes they should be kings. I'm quite sure if they had a bigger say than the rr2 rangers saying "zomg I can't solo, plz gifv more stuffz to pwn with kthx!" this game would be alot more even. IMO anyway.

*waits a few seconds*


RR doesnt show anything its a INDICATOR that MAYBE you know bit more, but to start saying that we should listen to many of the high rr people JUST BECAUSE they are high rr and not because what they say makes sence is about the yes The duMBEST thing that has been uttered since God told Noa: Dont forget the fleas.....

 

[Gamah]

It seems like the standard for being a moderator is to be highly sarcastic, tremendously annoying and having a complete lack of humour or common sense.

I'd say Gamah is next!

lets hope!

and wee, back from my holiday !

 

[atos]

It's kinda sad that people feel the need to bait mods into replying by posting overly offensive threads. You can tell the rest of the world that you dislike a mod in perfectly civilised English.

Or better yet, take your grievance and go away. Face it - if you disagree with a mod, there isn't a whole lot of things you can do about it. It's not like this place is a democracy to begin with. We're all here on the sufferance of the people who run this board. Whether your can get along or not is basically your own problem.

Repped.

Honestly I just see too much bullshit from everyone. Just act mature and don't act like retards and theres nothing to do for the mods. Simple as that.


Oh btw, that was directed towards everyone which means mods aswell.

 

[Solari]

Hmmm posting "grats retard adder"....
I actually think a few people would find that offensive even if you dont. Sure you are free to feel that way, but stating that this is not just a "feel good forum" is your oppinion and not everyone elses.

Dont see the problem in a 20% warn for that :touch:

My guess is you havn't read it all through carefully, I never posted a "Grats retard adder" reply, in fact I play in the same realm as the respective person the thread was directed to, all of my replies are still in there and it was for those I got the warn, not some abusive flaming.

 

[islef]

In that case sorry for being a clueless git, and yes i might have skimmed it a bit too quickly.

 

[Coldbeard]

This thread is utterly boring....

If you don't like it here and feel the need to question mod's behaviour time after time in thesame unappropriate manner, please, by all means, leave!

By all means, if you dont like something be sure to quit instead of trying to improve it. Following your great trail of thought.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

By all means, if you dont like something be sure to quit instead of trying to improve it. Following your great trail of thought.

You didn't quite read my post I may conclude from your reply... but nice try. I must admit, my post was pretty long so some might not have read it thru till the end.....
If you did, you would've noticed me stating: "feel the need to question mod's behaviour time after time in thesame unappropriate manner".
Sure, there's nothing wrong with a civilized discussion, but this has been gone over and over with, and never in a normal way. Always in a flamebait way.
Also, the conclusion has never changed since the first of these threads, nor will (and should) it change due to some kid posting thesame abusive taunting comments towards the mods.

@solari:
and rightso he warned. The language you used was far from "normal and polite". A reply saying "grats retard adder" has no place in a gratz thread and _is_ in fact a pretty rude offensive remark.

 

[Dimse Dut]

Ok I have a few things to say:

This forum has in the years layed back to many a colourfull worded post. It has also hosted genuine and seriouse posts which changed the way we viewed the game and or our characters. We have come to depend on it for exchange of information of various kinds. Its in essence our outgame community.

Now we are told to beep off and that if we havnt payed we dont matter, that if we dont like how we are being treated and express it we should look over our shoulders for "big bad angry" Jupitus will get out his ban stick.

Freedom of Speech. Its basicly what this is all about. Where is the line? when has the limit been reached. When does open exchange of opinions become a flaming fest and how do you prevent it from becoming the later. Isnt that the Moderators job? To judge what is a constructive post with valid arguments and what isnt.

Do you moderators do a great job overall: YES
ARe you above critic: No
Does being a moderator/admin give you the right to treat people like they dont matter because they cant do you anything anyway: HELL NO!


NB: TILDA I hope you have read this because I PAYED and apparently then my opinion matters!!

 

[liloe]

Well I think the problem is the following.

You have people who can't accept a certain decision and start hitting on the mods day and night. There is a maximum of shit a person can take before he explodes, so while it's definately NOT ok from any mod to start calling people very unserious things, it's just venting the anger at one point.

Maybe it hits the wrong people then, where it shouldn't, but I'm certainly not gonna blame the mods only for this. People need to realize that mods are human beings and can't just swallow everything. People make mistakes, shit happens and the higher you are in any kind of rank, the more people look at you. Nobody gives a shit if your neighbour crashes his car. If Tony Blair crashes his car, The Sun will write about it, hope you get my point.

Personally I never had problems with any mod (yes, call me a bootlicker not plz, I like it), but why? I don't give a flying f*** which RR they are or what guilds they belong to. Some people should get a grip and divide between game and real life or a forum. If you think a person that just zerged you can't mod the forum you post in, tough luck.

I might not always agree with the mods, that's a situation that will always arise when different people have different opinions, but being rude is never a good solution (that counts for both sides though, even if you're an Admin Jupitus, I don't think saying "fuck off" is a thing to say).

Guess I'm the philantroph in a world full if shit again, but it would be really nice if people got less upset about some stuff =)

 

[Lorfo]

"Add on my fight whinage.
Another annoying trend. The rules have nothing whatsoever that says a solo player cannot attack an enemy of his/her realm, so get over it. Threads of this nature will be closed without warning."

I find this rule really stupid.
There is an unwritten rule amoungst a majority of the setgroups and soloers to not add on fights.
And as several people already stated. Trying to improve things >> quit,give up

 

[Puppet]

So while people on the 'no' side of the argument are calling the mods 'mongs', we should sit still and bite our tongues and not say anything back?

I'm not a mod, I'm an admin. In alot of ways I am the person calling the shots in the DAOC area and I have the backing to do so of Ted and Deebs, the owners. I have had enough of the mod-baiting and shit-throwing going around and I intend to put a stop to it.

Perhaps a more constructive way is to improve the quality and standings of the moderators towards the general consensus rather then shaping the community to your own standards.

If the majority of people here says that the moderators could be improved, or in the very least change the rules the mods live upon, that should be a good indication that something you guys doing is wrong.

Comments like 'go away if you dont like it / my way or the highway' shows that you somehow think a board can be successfull without users.

Ofcourse you dont need to accept 'the mod-baiting and shit-throwing' - but locking a thread because someone said something you (or anyone else high up the hierarchy) dont like / dont agree with it, is just silly. Removing signatures because 'I didnt like it!' is another weird thing in my eyes. Just because you dont like it, it should be removed?

These forums got big and popular with a complete different setup, nowadays whenever there's someone who dares to say something one of u guys doesnt like, it simply gets editted, removed or deleted. As a result the threads get more and more boring, and any spectacular thread gets locked or removed. In the end it gets so strictly moderated I dont watch FH much anymore. Its just once or twice a day to catch up on PvE-events. Funny RvR-threads get locked almost immediatly, which was always a lot of fun to begin with :/

Anyhow, in the end moderators should be installed to please the majority of users and make the forum a better place for the majority. If the majority of users seems to think the mods arent doing their job well, perhaps its time to change some of the rules on the board?

 

[Puppet]

The thing is, anyone not paying for their FH subscription (you and me, for starters) is being done a favour, rather than buying some sort of service.
I'll probably get blamed for sucking up to the mods again, but that's the way it is. I work in a store, and if someone expects me to help him out I'm not obliged to do so, and whether I help or not just depends on whether I can be arsed, while I actually consider people customers if they bought something, and I'll be more likely to help an anoying paying customer, than some anoying person who won't get me anything.

Interesting comparision, however.. if you work at a shop your goal is ultimately to make a living out of it. Every serious employee at a shop his goal is to turn visitors into paying customers. In some cases you have to make (small) sacrifices to 'pull in' a paying customer. Im not saying you have to ask 'How high' if a visitor asks you to go jump, but it is not uncommon to help him in order to make him buy something

 

[MaCaBr3]

I've never came across a forum with so much whining it's just retarded. Whine about add, whine about lag, whine about other players, whine about moderators, whine about whine.
Seriousely, I don't know if ift's roleplaying mentality which sets u guys in such a state of mind or you are all whiners irl too, i'm not to judge, but christ, chill the fuck out.
Or, it might just be me who has a problem, because clearly I don't think on the same wavelenght as most of the posters here, so I guess I should bugger off. But still, you guys critise every little thing it's like becoming a fetishism

If you wanna have such an utopie of perfect community, then create ur own little forum and sets of rules, but even then, there would be whining.

 

[Septina]

I've never came across a forum with so much whining it's just retarded. Whine about add, whine about lag, whine about other players, whine about moderators, whine about whine.
Seriousely, I don't know if ift's roleplaying mentality which sets u guys in such a state of mind or you are all whiners irl too, i'm not to judge, but christ, chill the fuck out.
Or, it might just be me who has a problem, because clearly I don't think on the same wavelenght as most of the posters here, so I guess I should bugger off. But still, you guys critise every little thing it's like becoming a fetishism

If you wanna have such an utopie of perfect community, then create ur own little forum and sets of rules, but even then, there would be whining.

I see whine about whiners!11111111

 

[toxii]

Ok I have a few things to say:

This forum has in the years layed back to many a colourfull worded post. It has also hosted genuine and seriouse posts which changed the way we viewed the game and or our characters. We have come to depend on it for exchange of information of various kinds. Its in essence our outgame community.

Now we are told to beep off and that if we havnt payed we dont matter, that if we dont like how we are being treated and express it we should look over our shoulders for "big bad angry" Jupitus will get out his ban stick.

Freedom of Speech. Its basicly what this is all about. Where is the line? when has the limit been reached. When does open exchange of opinions become a flaming fest and how do you prevent it from becoming the later. Isnt that the Moderators job? To judge what is a constructive post with valid arguments and what isnt.

Do you moderators do a great job overall: YES
ARe you above critic: No
Does being a moderator/admin give you the right to treat people like they dont matter because they cant do you anything anyway: HELL NO!


NB: TILDA I hope you have read this because I PAYED and apparently then my opinion matters!!

repped , agree 100%

Fact is 90% of the daoc group have not contributed a fucking penny towards the upkeep of the forums, therefore they are not FH's customers, therefore it dosn't matter a jot what they think.
Perhaps we should hold mod-elections however you only get a vote if you have payed your £10 to register...

"I am a paying a customer, I dont like what i read in FH and i dont have any fun whatsoever when i try to relax some at my lunchbreak at work reading this pile of shit, so how about you shut the f*ck up"

would you like that kind of reply senor? no? why should i care? because you are a mod? lol? you was appointed by someone, meaning that you either chill or get fired. This is no way to treat people, saying that if they don't pay they are sheep.

jupitus or some other high end admin/mod, once said that paying customers aren't paying for fh services but donating, therefore you are full of shit, sorry. Better ask the person that gave you this job first, b4 you drag this free community board thru a sh*t storm

fh is free, and doesnt have 2 kinds of "customers" theres only one stated by fh owners themselves

 

[Sharkith]

I got a permanent 20% warning due to this:

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=195626&page=3

Personally I don't think the mods do that well.

OK if this is evidence of systematic biased modding Solari think again. You clearly say in the thread here that you deleted a post that said "gratz retard adder" from the thread.

By placing it back into the thread you were saying it again and trying to side step the rule in some way. It is against the CoC as it currently stands. Is this evidence of systematic bias from the mods? Emphatically no.

Now there is no need to go onto the rest of the points you make in that thread which I think are well made, they would be out of context here. So if this is the evidence people want to provide - it fails by a long shot.

So where is the evidence of systematically biased modding? Be big enough to find it. Come on then you guys started slinging mud now prove your point.

Sharkith

 

[censi]

Fact is 90% of the daoc group have not contributed a fucking penny towards the upkeep of the forums, therefore they are not FH's customers, therefore it dosn't matter a jot what they think.
Perhaps we should hold mod-elections however you only get a vote if you have payed your £10 to register...

I would not generally have a problem paying a tener for the forums, but no way im paying for it when the service is so messed up by the bad modding. thats the truth.

Theres no real interesting posts now and you cant have like proper arguements on the boards which was always the funniest thing.

The forum has gone care bear style and its run by like players solely representing the "its irvr/hes a nice guy irl" camp. We need some sensible mods who represent the honor camp because that camp is the one that matters.

 

[Belomar]

I think the mods are doing a good job; the few times I have had issues with a decision, I've PM:ed Flim about it and he sorted it out quickly (or showed me my error).

haha, i fail to see what skills a RR11 player would have gained to make him a better mod.

Don't worry about it, Haggus is just sucking up to his idols as always.

 

[Gamah]

I was also going to pay £10 but I keep getting banned. I got banned last time for defending myself against some kid.. I was just banned because Jupitus told us to stop flaming, which I did do, however just replying to him got me 3 days holiday for my troubles ;/

Generally I deserve my warnings (apart from the one I got for the Greek thing) but I agree mods can be to heavy handed on the fourms, if you say "adder" you get warning..:E

Flim is by far the best Mod of these forums, I know a lot of people have issues with Eggy but I think even though he has made mistakes he has always been fair to me.

As for the rest..their status should be reviewed.

 

[Gilbride]

Sorta what censi's saying, but maybe not entirely the way I'd word it. The rules as they are, and thus the mods due to following the rules stated, are biased. There's a rule against "add whine" but there's no rule against people whining about people not playing "for the realm" and not helping out with whatever, or further "red, it's dead!"-related topics. Possibly you could extend the rule of "add whine" to cover these bases too, but since the mods are generally of a certain playstyle, and "not caring for whatever way you play", as has been said a few times already on this forum since I came here, that isn't likely to happen, and as such, who'd ever want to pay for such a lack of "fair" judgement? If people aren't treated equally by moderators, then there's definitely not a whole lot of people would support such an instance with money.

I'm quite well aware of the pressure of moderating a large forum, and no I'm not of the opinion that you're generally doing a terrible job, but the responses by the mods in this thread, and clearly being on the defensive, thus taking everything in a negative way, i e everything is modbaiting and flaming, it's really not helping the view of the mods. Dismissing an entire thread because someone spouted some crap is another interesting tendency for a moderator to have, since it's really hard to edit and warn.

But hey, as has been said over and over by some people, we really shouldn't try to improve on things, live your life by adjusting yourself to the will of your superiors, or GTFO!