The current moderators

[ebenezer]

The amount of Stpudity you crammed into those few lines is realy Impressive Gamah, but then again you have practiced over a long period of time. If you had put less time in wanking and more time in trying to fomulate a non abusive reply you might get people to take you seriously.

thats the thing..many people that whines on the mods are just like that. They write such stupid abusive posts at times . Get banned etc..and then suddenly they wanna make a statement: now listen to me...i have something important to say!...and then they get very upset when that doesnt happend
Sorry to use you as an example gamah, but it was very handy^^

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Being a moderator is a thankless task, no matter what they do someone will always be pissed off with them. I think we should be appreciative that other people are willing to spend their own time sticking threads we need to run events in game etc.

My only issue is i have seen a few situations where i think some of the mods have gone over the top and locked/edited a thread for petit reasons. For this i voted no, but i don't think they should all be publically hung, drawn and quatered, i would like to see a relaxation of the rules in general from the admin and the mods to be a bit more lax in their moderation.

 

[Gamah]

The amount of Stpudity you crammed into those few lines is realy Impressive Gamah, but then again you have practiced over a long period of time. If you had put less time in wanking and more time in trying to fomulate a non abusive reply you might get people to take you seriously.

You really are devoid of humour.

 

[Gamah]

thats the thing..many people that whines on the mods are just like that. They write such stupid abusive posts at times . Get banned etc..and then suddenly they wanna make a statement: now listen to me...i have something important to say!...and then they get very upset when that doesnt happend
Sorry to use you as an example gamah, but it was very handy^^

I think the only thing his reply should be used for is an example of how people can totally miss the point and go off randomly on a tangent. I am quite sure Jupitus is the kinda guy that will find my reply amusing.

 

[Sharkith]

this got me a warning. seriously theres nothing rude or offensive there what the hell is wrong with that.

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lol I don't give 2 shits about getting added on?



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pan pipe?

You know censi you say a lot more than that in that thread. You also make a comment that annoys someone (the one about the crack pipe for example). You make some really good points and then let yourself down all the way through the thread with stupid comments. Why do you do this?

Clearly your one of those people worth listening to but when you lower your points to playground politics by name calling all you do is destroy your own arguement - which as I have said before has a very solid basis. Sorry but in this example you have failed to show resoundingly that there was bias in the modding. You basically flame and name call in that thread. Did you deserve a warning - I would not have warned you I would have pm'ed you and pre-warned you.

Now lets discuss the point of this thread. Here is a claim that the mods are systematically biased - the thread you cite as evidence of this goes on for 10 pages. When it gets to radar accusations it is finally closed. I would say the thread your using as an example is an example of tolerant modding and actually is very poor evidence to support the point of this thread.

Anyone else got examples? I would like to see them. Remember the accusation in this thread is that the mods are systematically biased.

Keep them coming - I am not saying there is no evidence I am saying I don't see much evidence. One argument might be because posts are deleted and the evidence is no longer there. Thats a valid point but then why go and post such a damaging poll - I notice the original thread poster has still failed to try and prove his point.

 

[Dimse Dut]

You really are devoid of humour.

Yups but im still right..as for the " im sure jupitus laughed" well wasnt he the one who told you to go away? or was that a joke on his part?

 

[Gamah]

I may be but I am still right about what I said.

Well your not are you, because you missed the point so you can't make conclusions from something you fail to understand.

 

[MesS°]

Its not the moderators its the whole DAoC community that has turned bitter and twisted.
Iwe gone from having FH open in the background most of my day to only browsing through a few times a week, because of all the crying and moaning. Its the same ingame, ppl getting booted from groups because they are not rr10, or ml10, or dont have the right artis, or to slow to port, or to fast to die or or...

Its now ok to degrade a keep to lvl1 because you want the enemy to take it.
Its ok to keep all the loot from a 100ppl ml9 raid for yourself.
Its ok the shout and emote at someone from your own realm because they killed or injured the player you wanted to kill.
Ppl will actually think you are cool and praise you if you do the above.

You are a random if your not rr11/ml10 and know all the made up game rules.

So thank you FH and mods.
Thank you for still trying to make a difference and trying to make DAoC a better game for the community. By controlling the bitter and twisted.

 

[Dimse Dut]

Well your not are you, because you missed the point so you can't make conclusions from something you fail to understand.

and You missed the very obvious fact that because of the way to worded your post I dont take you serious...and I dont think Im the only one.

 

[Jupitus]

Im curious though... Now that you do listen to the community's feedback, how do you feel about 65% of the community disapproving of the current moderators and what action will you take?

The numbers who have voted do not make up a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis, in my view.

Checking recent activity logs, we have on average between 1500 and 2000 active users per day, and I would conservatively estimate that about 2/3 of that number are DAOC users primarily. 150 or so have voted no, versus a probable active number of users in excess of 500. That's a long way short of a majority. I would also contest that a large number of users are much less regular visitirs to the boards, checking occasionally on raids and such. Indeed, I know we have a number of users leaving due to not liking all the flaming and whining.

 

[Sollers]

read what people have said above about what a poll like this really represents. It doesnt represent jack shit...only the whiners and a few that reallly bother to vote and are tired of the whiners. Rest browse the forum and read through the intresting stuff and rarely post themself. Which means they are prolly satisfied also..

It doesn't represent jack shit in your opinion. I think it's a fair and square poll in which people can state their opinion.

Then again.. I guess its easier to flame the poll than to actually acknowledge the results and act accordingly innit

 

[Jupitus]

this got me a warning. seriously theres nothing rude or offensive there what the hell is wrong with that.

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pan pipe?

Censi - was that a a PM'd warning or one using the warning system?

 

[Jupitus]

I think the only thing his reply should be used for is an example of how people can totally miss the point and go off randomly on a tangent. I am quite sure Jupitus is the kinda guy that will find my reply amusing.

Check your rep log

 

[Marc]

It doesn't represent jack shit in your opinion. I think it's a fair and square poll in which people can state their opinion.

Then again.. I guess its easier to flame the poll than to actually acknowledge the results and act accordingly innit

As Jupitus has already explained, the poll means jack shit. Thankyou and goodnight, dont hit your arse on the way out.

 

[MesS°]

A hint to current mods would be to edit offending posts instead of deleting. Imo its easier to accepted beeing edited than beeing deleted.

That would allso make it more clear to everyone what modding is going on.

 

[Gamah]

and You missed the very obvious fact that because of the way to worded your post I dont take you serious...and I dont think Im the only one.

Ok Well it is futile to keep argueing about it, I am not interested as being seen as "serious" if that helps you with the pain.

 

[Gamah]

Check your rep log

*Prints out a screen dump and frames*

 

[Sollers]

The numbers who have voted do not make up a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis, in my view.

Checking recent activity logs, we have on average between 1500 and 2000 active users per day, and I would conservatively estimate that about 2/3 of that number are DAOC users primarily. 150 or so have voted no, versus a probable active number of users in excess of 500. That's a long way short of a majority. I would also contest that a large number of users are much less regular visitirs to the boards, checking occasionally on raids and such. Indeed, I know we have a number of users leaving due to not liking all the flaming and whining.

Will a poll be ever a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis you think then?

 

[Jupitus]

Its not the moderators its the whole DAoC community that has turned bitter and twisted.
Iwe gone from having FH open in the background most of my day to only browsing through a few times a week, because of all the crying and moaning. Its the same ingame, ppl getting booted from groups because they are not rr10, or ml10, or dont have the right artis, or to slow to port, or to fast to die or or...

Its now ok to degrade a keep to lvl1 because you want the enemy to take it.
Its ok to keep all the loot from a 100ppl ml9 raid for yourself.
Its ok the shout and emote at someone from your own realm because they killed or injured the player you wanted to kill.
Ppl will actually think you are cool and praise you if you do the above.

You are a random if your not rr11/ml10 and know all the made up game rules.

So thank you FH and mods.
Thank you for still trying to make a difference and trying to make DAoC a better game for the community. By controlling the bitter and twisted.

*nods*

You aren't the only one, Mess. I have the following in my PM inbox (lightly edited for privacy's sake) and I am pissed off that I have no really viable way to answer his request:

It has reached the point where I will no longer participate in the FH community because of the sickening use of the word retard. I spoken to Flim about this. He suggested I spoke to you or Deebs so I'm coming to you first. Is there something we can do to stop the liberal use of this word in a public community forum or are we happy to let this continue? I don't see that it would be a problem to post a big headline sticky saying that the use of this word is now a bannable offence. Have a warning policy for those that don't read stickies but one warning only then ban the account or perform whatever sanctions the mods usually bestow on forum abusers.

The mods are trying, with guidance, to make the forum a pleasant posting haven for the userbase, nothing more.

 

[Bigbrother]

The numbers who have voted do not make up a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis, in my view.

Checking recent activity logs, we have on average between 1500 and 2000 active users per day, and I would conservatively estimate that about 2/3 of that number are DAOC users primarily. 150 or so have voted no, versus a probable active number of users in excess of 500. That's a long way short of a majority. I would also contest that a large number of users are much less regular visitirs to the boards, checking occasionally on raids and such. Indeed, I know we have a number of users leaving due to not liking all the flaming and whining.

eh i think a lot of people didnt vote cause a admin treaten to use banstick , ofc the data is off

 

[Sharkith]

Will a poll be ever a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis you think then?

Nope polls are always non-random and biased. You appear to be confusing a non-random and unrepresentative poll with a survey. So basically Jupitus is right. Also responses to polls are always determined by the way they are introduced and the way this one has been introduced and discussed means it is most likely as close to reality (in terms of community feeling) as Lord of the Rings is.

 

[fl3a]

Checking recent activity logs, we have on average between 1500 and 2000 active users per day, and I would conservatively estimate that about 2/3 of that number are DAOC users primarily. 150 or so have voted no, versus a probable active number of users in excess of 500. That's a long way short of a majority. I would also contest that a large number of users are much less regular visitirs to the boards, checking occasionally on raids and such. Indeed, I know we have a number of users leaving due to not liking all the flaming and whining.

while i agree with the aforementioned posts of polls being non-random and having too few people vote on this board, and i also agree with the first post being anti-mod (although i tried to start a constructive debate with the opening statement being my personal view) i think those numbers are kind of wrong.

if 2/3 of 1500 are daoc players, then about half of them live on the glastonbury/camlann boards, which leaves less users to be able to contribute to the polls on this board altogether. still, the current amount of voters (~250) is rather low, but also thinking of the people who are less active and such, one could argue that their views count for less (due to seemingly not caring so much), much like the views of non-paying members views count for less than the paying members views.

 

[Gamah]

*nods*

You aren't the only one, Mess. I have the following in my PM inbox (lightly edited for privacy's sake) and I am pissed off that I have no really viable way to answer his request:



The mods are trying, with guidance, to make the forum a pleasant posting haven for the userbase, nothing more.

I think you have to strike a balance between over sensitive users who have been brain washed by the PC crew and real issues. Retard is a word used in daily life, yes it is also a word for a person with a disability but to be fair the word is socially accepted. If this particular user has grievances with that word then that’s unfortunate for them.

 

[Sollers]

Nope polls are always non-random and biased. You appear to be confusing a non-random and unrepresentative poll with a survey. So basically Jupitus is right. Also responses to polls are always determined by the way they are introduced and the way this one has been introduced and discussed means it is most likely as close to reality (in terms of community feeling) as Lord of the Rings is.

That's why I asked what I asked. Polls here won't ever be good enough to be used in scientific research, but that's really pointless since polls is all we have on FH and ARE in fact the best thing to get a summed up view on the community's ideas and views.

And please, let's not go all pro about scientific differences in which we try hard to outsmart other people. You have to work with the tools you have..

 

[Sollers]

I think you have to strike a balance between over sensitive users who have been brain washed by the PC crew and real issues. Retard is a word used in daily life, yes it is also a word for a person with a disability but to be fair the word is socially accepted. If this particular user has grievances with that word then that’s unfortunate for them.

Gamah is right tbh, I have a retarded sister myself but you don't hear me whining about people calling eachother retards. Sadly enough it's a socially accepted word and no-one, not even Jupiter with his elite mod-squad can change this.

So let the guy who sent that PM grow up and take a look outside, tough world... learn to live with it

 

[Kaun_IA]

while i agree with the aforementioned posts of polls being non-random and having too few people vote on this board, and i also agree with the first post being anti-mod (although i tried to start a constructive debate with the opening statement being my personal view) i think those numbers are kind of wrong.

if 2/3 of 1500 are daoc players, then about half of them live on the glastonbury/camlann boards, which leaves less users to be able to contribute to the polls on this board altogether. still, the current amount of voters (~250) is rather low, but also thinking of the people who are less active and such, one could argue that their views count for less (due to seemingly not caring so much), much like the views of non-paying members views count for less than the paying members views.

well u could have put it up on the BIG general section, then the camlann and glaston guys could hould have seen it too

 

[Dallas]

Well the polls got screwed up when jupitus threatened everyone that votes no gets banned from FH.. And then starts talking about poll not being accurrate ?

For science!

 

[ebenezer]

It doesn't represent jack shit in your opinion. I think it's a fair and square poll in which people can state their opinion.

Then again.. I guess its easier to flame the poll than to actually acknowledge the results and act accordingly innit

right you are right and im wrong The poll represent the whole comunity and nothing else^^

 

[Sharkith]

That's why I asked what I asked. Polls here won't ever be good enough to be used in scientific research, but that's really pointless since polls is all we have on FH and ARE in fact the best thing to get a summed up view on the community's ideas and views.

And please, let's not go all pro about scientific differences in which we try hard to outsmart other people. You have to work with the tools you have..

Yes I take your point about the science - so lets drop that and discuss what a polls actually do?

Polls are opinion formers and they are a way for government (here the board Admins) to orientate their future policy. You introduced a poll on a serious topic in a way that effectively short circuited the function of the poll to help shape the policy of the board. Thats what is so dissapointing here, that and the (current) lack of evidence of systematic bias and over modding.

If you want to try and shape opinion it is very important to do it in a balanced and constructive way otherwise it all becomes a waste of time. I think you have a point but I am waiting on it to be stated clearly and then maybe I could agree. Thats all.

One place to start is with the current CoC rules. Take the points that cause the most frequent feelings of indignity on the part of persons like you and construct a poll around it. Let people post funny shit and stuff but try to be constructive and then I might even agree with you.

 

[Huntingtons]

you know what shocks me is that you guys are complaining about moderation in what is basically a flame baiting thread that has not been locked after 6 pages. To me the evidence of tolerant moderating is right here in front of you.

yes, thats like a rebel force doing a demonstration because people get slaughtered while uttering their opinion and the demonstration goes peacefully. NO VIOLENCE MEIGHTS! -.-
If this thread was locked it would cause much whine and so on.

To me there are alot of good mods - but that are the old and respected mods (most of them) where as the newer ones who are rvr active on some level and from their side i've seen some unfair locking of threads.

A private forum for rvr discussion would suit me good but i dont have the knowledge, time or encouragement to do so, deebs etc. they had and im happy for that.

I guess the newer mods have to learn the cycle of modding