The current moderators

[censi]

ibtl!

 

[noaim]

Interesting comparision, however.. if you work at a shop your goal is ultimately to make a living out of it. Every serious employee at a shop his goal is to turn visitors into paying customers. In some cases you have to make (small) sacrifices to 'pull in' a paying customer. Im not saying you have to ask 'How high' if a visitor asks you to go jump, but it is not uncommon to help him in order to make him buy something

No, if a someone comes into your store, you tell him buy something or fuck off. Everyone knows that!

 

[noaim]

Cant there be a sub-forum for people that want to discuss adding and stuff then, if there is a grats-section because some people dont wanna read grats-threads? Then the people who starts crying irl and get offended when they read the word "retard" on a forum can just avoid going there, and tada.

 

[Aiteal]

Sometimes the modding seems a little reactionary.
But then again, when you read VN you realise what happens when mods let things slip.

I've seen a post on FH by a player that was obviously new to the game, and judging by the language of the post, quite a young player, first post they ever made, and it was a lighthearted post along the lines of

Can't wait to get to lvl50, im lvl39 now, and get out there and kill all you guys of Realm X and Y, cause my character is really nice and I love playing him, btw anyone able to invite me to a guild?

within 2 mins, there were 5 or 6
"STFU n00b"
"I can't believe I actually clicked on this thread, it was such a waste of my precious time"
and ofc the ever hilarious "thanks for the info" picture hotlinked from internetwarriors.com (or where ever)

1 minute later Flim cleaned the thread up and replaced all the twatish replies with a Welcome to FH and RvR, hope you have a fun time on Excal DaoC post.

Ironic thing was one of the flamers heartfelt posts a few days later how DaoC would have loads of new players if those froggy twats at GoA would get off their arses and advertise the game.

 

[ebenezer]

Cant there be a sub-forum for people that want to discuss adding and stuff then, if there is a grats-section because some people dont wanna read grats-threads? Then the people who starts crying irl and get offended when they read the word "retard" on a forum can just avoid going there, and tada.

thats been sugested allready

 

[Bracken]

I want to be here. I would love this forum to return to the state as it was on Barrysworld where there was very minimal warnings and no locking (where the heck is Brinx now?).

I would love the community to return to the state it was at the time of Barrysworld when people were (generally) far less anal than they are now. The forum has changed as a response to people's deteriorating attitudes. If you want to be here then you have to abide by the rules which, whether you like it or not, were tightened by necessity.

Cant there be a sub-forum for people that want to discuss adding and stuff then, if there is a grats-section because some people dont wanna read grats-threads? Then the people who starts crying irl and get offended when they read the word "retard" on a forum can just avoid going there, and tada.

Alternatively, make your own forum. Then the people who "start crying irl" and spitting their dummies out because they can't post "retard" can go and post it as many times as they like. I mean seriously, what's the f*cking obsession with HAVING to post shit? So we all have to watch what we post - I'm trying really hard to see what the frickin problem is.

 

[Pio]

the mods in this place seem to be a joke tbh

 

[Misleath]

I don't get the mods on this forum, there are so many of them all with what seems like different locking/warning guidelines and protected friends. I fail to see what they try to accomplish by banning, warning, locking and deleting. Noone seems to like their job here except themselves. There is nothing fun with the forum anymore except for checking out some raids every now and then.

 

[andeh]

in short the fh mods are lame retards that refuse to stay off teh crackpipe?

 

[noaim]

thats been sugested allready

First time I cba to read a full post from you, ever heard of splitting the text up a lil and using a little thing called comma?

Alternatively, make your own forum. Then the people who "start crying irl" and spitting their dummies out because they can't post "retard" can go and post it as many times as they like. I mean seriously, what's the f*cking obsession with HAVING to post shit? So we all have to watch what we post - I'm trying really hard to see what the frickin problem is.

Because if you prefer fg fights without adds, or 1 on 1 fights without adds, and wants to discuss that, its bullshit?

Funny thing is that this forum became popular allowing people to whine and stuff, and started with a userbase from a forum where basicly everything that involved the game was allowed.

It would be really interesting to see what section that would mostly used, if a new one where you could actually discuss more than how nice last day in rvr was, well done Steve and Rob, was opened. But ofc such a part of the forum would be horribly inactive, since people actually do like the mods alot, the people who thinks they are great just didnt vote.

 

[Marc]

I agree with Novamir on the subject of FAO threads, even if they arent whine threads they still got locked with a "use PM please". I dont see anything that says you cant make FAO threads. Maybe im wrong.

 

[Alan]

I agree with Novamir on the subject of FAO threads, even if they arent whine threads they still got locked with a "use PM please". I dont see anything that says you cant make FAO threads. Maybe im wrong.

Got an examples ? as far as I was aware these get left open.

 

[Gilbride]

Sometimes the modding seems a little reactionary.
But then again, when you read VN you realise what happens when mods let things slip.

Yet VN is still incredibly active, with their mods letting things "slip". Amazing, isn't it? Still not saying I want FH to turn into VNBoards, but seriously, lower the cuddliness.

 

[censi]

we was definetly told at one stage no FAO threads. Then jupitus made an update saying

example

fao XXXX great fight damn i nearly got you well played look forward to next fight is ok.

fao XXXXX you sux man your overpowered class won you that fight not skill. I rock!

type thing.

for me its just stupid to try and control things to this level. just let people make morons of themselves when they wanna. all the mods have to do is remove swearing and personal insults and we will have a working forum.

(some of the mods wont limit themselves to this role alone as they want the community to know they are a moderator and they want to tread on peoples threads)

 

[Bracken]

Because if you prefer fg fights without adds, or 1 on 1 fights without adds, and wants to discuss that, its bullshit?

Those are allowed afaik. Being a **** about it isn't.

Funny thing is that this forum became popular allowing people to whine and stuff, and started with a userbase from a forum where basicly everything that involved the game was allowed.

And at that time not every other post was "omg j00 added on me j00 suxxoring retard". I remember back when you and I would have a flame and it was kept reasonable. It was always mid v alb and kept at that level. The rules tightened because people were just posting like ***** and if you dared to "add" you were branded a "retard". That shit was ruining the boards and was becoming every other thread.

It would be really interesting to see what section that would mostly used, if a new one where you could actually discuss more than how nice last day in rvr was, well done Steve and Rob, was opened. But ofc such a part of the forum would be horribly inactive, since people actually do like the mods alot, the people who thinks they are great just didnt vote.

Just open your own forum where you can bitch and whine and write "retard" as much as you like. Problem solved. Besides, wasn't prydwen.net supposed to be the utopia that the great oppressed were going to migrate to?

The fact that some people equate not being allowed to use certain words or act like ***** with not being able to discuss rvr speaks volumes.

 

[Alan]

The current forum guidelines are quite clear on threads intended to flame others, or whine about the game mechanics, if you want these guidelines changed then provide constructive feedback rather than :-

in short the fh mods are lame retards that refuse to stay off teh crackpipe?

the mods in this place seem to be a joke tbh

ibtl!

Comments like those just get the thread ignored, or locked.

 

[noaim]

Those are allowed afaik. Being a **** about it isn't.



And at that time not every other post was "omg j00 added on me j00 suxxoring retard". I remember back when you and I would have a flame and it was kept reasonable. It was always mid v alb and kept at that level. The rules tightened because people were just posting like ***** and if you dared to "add" you were branded a "retard". That shit was ruining the boards and was becoming every other thread.

Just open your own forum where you can bitch and whine and write "retard" as much as you like. Problem solved. Besides, wasn't prydwen.net supposed to be the utopia that the great oppressed were going to migrate to?

The fact that some people equate not being allowed to use certain words or act like ***** with not being able to discuss rvr speaks volumes.

I dont think I said I want to use it, I meant that people that gets offended by reading it, especially when not directed to themselves even, maybe should ask themselves if it really is something to get upset about.

I said before that I think posts with personal insults should be removed, but what I dont understand is why, if there is a thread with 300 posts, and 2 people in it that made 20 of those posts insult eachother, the thread usually gets locked instead of those 2 people warned and their posts removed or something.

Would also be nice to be able to discuss what people that add and who does not, as long as the insults are left out, but no, apparently that is an insult (to call someone an adder) yet people who does it say it out loud and clear, "I dont give a fuck about fair fights and attack anyone I want".

 

[Alan]

Ohh look, yet another thread gets diverted into a whine/flame about adding

 

[Gilbride]

Ohh look, yet another thread gets diverted into a whine/flame about adding

Weirdly enough it's been about that all the time, partly due to the biased ruling on the particular matter.

Doesn't really matter if "zerg whine" if you wanna call it that hadn't gone to the same extreme, as jupitus put it, it's biased ruling to make a rule against certain discussion concerning one playstyle, but allowing the other to roam free, and thus, people tend to get slightly irritated by the fact that moderation is biased.

 

[censi]

Just open your own forum where you can bitch and whine and write "retard" as much as you like. Problem solved. Besides, wasn't prydwen.net supposed to be the utopia that the great oppressed were going to migrate to?

please that arguement is getting soooo old

bracken have you applied to be a mod by any chance?

 

[Sharkith]

Would also be nice to be able to discuss what people that add and who does not, as long as the insults are left out, but no, apparently that is an insult (to call someone an adder) yet people who does it say it out loud and clear, "I dont give a fuck about fair fights and attack anyone I want".

Ahhh now you see on this I am completely with you. Banning the term is a censure that is pretty strong. I am totally against that in principle and in some ways I oppose the current policy. The problem is that the term has somehow been associated with shitty flaming and mud slinging. I am not sure how that happened but the people who want to discuss this haven't helped themselves. On this particular issue banning the term or any discussion of the term is draconian, the thing is we have to ask ourselves why we have come to this?

Then we get back to one of the points of the thread. Should there be people moderating or should the users try to moderate themselves?

It seems to me that the moderators would disappear or at the very least become less apparent. You see it is quite simple self moderate and bingo - no need for moderators to interfere in discussions.... I don't think it takes much.

What I think you risk suggesting is that responsibility for posting here and moderating the posts lies with the moderators and that its OK for users to be irresponsible with their communication. There is a slight difference in emphasis for example Braken advocates people taking responsibility themselves, others seem to want to say what they like and still others want to say what they like and get away with it.

What we are talking about here is where does the responsibility for posting lie. It is depressing that the board reached a stage that it became dependent on moderators to such an extent. Everyone just needs to step back and think why that is the case and what can they do to avoid the moderation stifling what can often be interesting discussions - even if they get flamy etc...

 

[gunner440]

i'm sure all of you would rather have a board than nothing to post in at all.

the FH services are voluntary if you already didn't know and no one would be able to do a thing if Deebs woke up one day and decided to pull the plug on this section.

p.s. flim is a Crap mod with a capital C.

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[Gahn]

The general view i have about it -.-

 

[ebenezer]

As we can see now after this and million other moderator posts we have a few different categories of people.

The guy/gal that wanna be able to talke about alot of different things in the rvr section, but still in a matur way, maybe discuss fg/fg fights heatedly but still not drag personal insults into it.

The guy/gal that come here to try and read usefull info on rvr and other things regarding daoc and get sick and tired of seeing personal attacks finding its way( or add whine) into every single post.

The guy( most likely only a aguy) That are only here to troll or to cause shit and intrested in nothing else.

The guy/gal that likes to discuss adding and mostly whine about everything and preferably stick some personal attacks in and find it amusing to read alot of those thrown back and forth.


All the guys/gals except the ones that comes to read usefull info etc seems to be ok with personal attacks and some shit slinging. So my question now, a serious one which i hope to get an answer back on is.

Can we please have a new section called rvr ventilation or whinage or something so that all these people can go there and do just that?
That way i and a lot of others can just avoid going into that section all together. And you can enforce bans and stricter rules on people inc to troll or flame in the normal rvr section.
waiting with excitement to hear the answer..
eb.

 

[Congax]

Can we please have a new section called rvr ventilation or whinage or something so that all these people can go there and do just that?
That way i and a lot of others can just avoid going into that section all together. And you can enforce bans and stricter rules on people inc to troll or flame in the normal rvr section.
waiting with excitement to hear the answer..
eb.

Well tbh, FH can start up some new section for nearly everything: Let's set up one for fg whine! And now one for 1v1 whine! Let's go stealth zerg whine! Where do I put gratz again? Let's make a poll section! My thread about whorelocks in a fg adding on solo'ers belongs where, mates?

Just keep it as it is imo.

 

[Maeloch]

It's generally fine. One or two mods have posted the odd post which suggests they are a bit immature to mod forums, but then the pool of mature peeps with a balanced approach able and willing to give their own free time to mod forums is prolly quite small.

Other thing: the hypersensitivity of the mods towards add whine. I wonder how many peeps who want to discuss adds really only have themselves to blame for this, with the constant, endless endless spamming of addwhine back when the modding was much lighter. I mean just never shutting the fuck-up and knowing when enuff was enuff. It's OTT, but can't blame the mods for seeing *any* addwhine as the thin end of the wedge tbh...

 

[ebenezer]

Well tbh, FH can start up some new section for nearly everything: Let's set up one for fg whine! And now one for 1v1 whine! Let's go stealth zerg whine! Where do I put gratz again? Let's make a poll section! My thread about whorelocks in a fg adding on solo'ers belongs where, mates?

Just keep it as it is imo.

well i would like it as it is without the whine...and many with me. So the format that is now aint working is it. And all except the ones that dont want the whine are fine with ALL kinds of whine. Therefor a section where everyone that wants to can unload all their whine and shit as much as they want....must be perfect for everyone that need to read and see that no?
eb.

 

[Congax]

well i would like it as it is without the whine...and many with me. So the format that is now aint working is it. And all except the ones that dont want the whine are fine with ALL kinds of whine. Therefor a section where everyone that wants to can unload all their whine and shit as much as they want....must be perfect for everyone that need to read and see that no?
eb.

It's not as if the people who cannot stand the word 'retard' won't click on that link then - it's kinda like when you fart in bed, you always lift up your sheets to smell .

Sure, something may not be working now, but I doubt adding yet another extra area will fix that. I guess something will always be wrong.

 

[ebenezer]

It's not as if the people who cannot stand the word 'retard' won't click on that link then - it's kinda like when you fart in bed, you always lift up your sheets to smell .

Sure, something may not be working now, but I doubt adding yet another extra area will fix that. I guess something will always be wrong.

well for tha people that dont want the whine i doubt they will ever complain..the ones doing the complaining always been the whiners anyhow
So when they have their own section they cant really complain about not having the oportunity to whine about adding anymore...and they wouldnt be able to complain on the mods either, but as you say they will prolly find something else to whine about. Anyway, it will narrow it down considerably
eb.

 

[Elkie]

Personally Im not going to vote, for the pure reason that ive never had any problems with the mods, some issues come to mind that i may not like their choices in what they do on the DAoC board, but its like having a job your not the boss of the board your just a mod who looks after the board, you have to follow the rules and follow various points in some threads.

We cant really make a pole like this because at end of the day i very much doubt that the mods are going to be sacked because people dont like them. Yes i think sometimes as said above that the mods can go abit far but thats also connects to the point of being a mod keeping the board happy and constructive.

Being a long time friend of Dallas for example i dont like the idea that they "Supposedly" deleted his sig and took away some of his rep points.Although im not 100% sure of what the contents of his sig was last i saw it said " Dallas rr9 bm and rr4 runemaster" although he may of changed it at some point before i could see an updated version.

Their has also been speculations (from what i hear from people) that the mods go into pm box, weither this is true or not i dont know, yes its an invasion of peoples privacy but example if they believe that the certain player is up to something to ruin e.g "the spirit of the game" where as selling cheats through pms ect, they would have a right to investigate that.

Alot of the mods have helped me at various times with e.g my acount and helping me out, so they are not really all that bad and not doing a good job, quiet few of them are nice chaps but if you was a mod wouldnt you be exactly the same? Following the rules of being a mod.