The current moderators

[ebenezer]

No offense, but how do these people matter in a discussion concerning the ruleset and moderation of the RvR Discussion-forum? If they're not active in this particular section, why would their opinions, and yes, everyone's capable of forming an opinion, whether they're active or not, carry the same weight, or even any weight, compared to the people who're actually posting here, and out of which some wish to see a change?



If that was you wasting your last breath, then yea, it truly went wasted. For one, as I mentioned before, any comments I've made, and any information you can actually pull from this poll, is only relative to the RvR Discussion section. Now you just stated that most of your guild aren't active members of the RvR Discussion forum, but rather alot of people use FH as a raidcalendar and discuss things on other sections of the forum, and that's all fine and dandy. However, this makes them null and void when it comes to discussing the existance and application of rules and moderation in the RvR Discussion-forum. Noone's actually claimed that "Hey! We should be allowed to piss, moan and whatever in the grats-forum as well!" because it's not in any way related to that forumsection. Discussions about the current happenings in RvR, be they minor, as in 2 people moaning a bit about this and that happening to them in RvR or half of hibernia claiming albs are crossrealmers or whatever, then that's still RvR-related, and thus has its home in the RvR Discussion-forum, as long as they follow the rules of posting, something atleast some of us are discussing to see a less strict, and in some opinions rather silly, implementation of.

If I somehow misunderstood your post I'm sorry, but that's the way it comes across, and thus my answer. I'm not out to offend you, your guild or anyone else for that matter, it's simply the case that people who aren't active in the particular forum don't carry the same weight with their opinion. And no I'm still not saying the poll proves a whole lot, but to completely disregard it would be about as silly as to say it's a 100% accurate picture of the current situation.

As for cheating in the poll, no you can't really do that, other than creating a buttload of new accounts, which is a serious waste of work, since any user can still see who's voted what, meaning you can easily see if there's a bunch of random-generated new accountnames

yeh you did missunderstood me a bit and im gonna answer you then since you at least put some thought into ur posts First of all the people i mentioned and many more do check the rvr forum but as stated many times before they are tired of all the drewl and whine that goes on here. Most in our guild are 25 plus some have familys etc and dont behave like 50% of the children on these boards. So, they dont see much they wanna discuss in rvr since 90% of it is shit and whine? see what i mean. Also they cant understand how a forum with rules just get crossed every day by same people whout them getting banned permanently.

No offense m8 but you havent been here long enough to have much weight in ur opinions either in that matter. Im sure you have a view on whats going on here, but i havent started react this much the first year i was here, i got fed up the last now since of all the bs thats been going on. And do you really think 80% of the whiners on here even post anything remotely close to a discussion,,anything near what we are having now? Answer is no. And therefor nothing that belongs in rvr discussions. make a new sextion then maybe? Whine and personal attacks section. then you and others that liks to laugh about that and other imature discussions can load ur crap there( not you if you dont like it). hows that? And let the rest have some more reasonable discussions about rvr and so on.
Anyways...i know you are for a more open dialog from what it seems, but ur in a very bad company m8 and you get pulled along with a heap of trash along the way^^
eb.

 

[ebenezer]

I will continue to use the word retard both on forums, in game and irl. The P.C squad can find another victim to annoy. I don't relate the word to the actual meaning, retards are actually very unlucky people who have been unfortuante with genetics, it's nothing to laugh about or mock but using the word is perfectly acceptable..and before anyone posts I am "wrong" who the hell are you to tell me what I can and can't say?

If I decide I am offended by the word "the" should it be banned from the forums..after all I am finding it offensive and others are not..just like retard.

I can't STAND the PC squad...

OH MY GOD...You called him a black man, HOW OFFENSIVE...you're supposed to say "Darker skinned human hailing from the plains of Africa but later coming to Europe under evil slavery and oppression of white capitalist pigs"

well lol gamah..if you use it as a personal attack here on forum and the rules says you cant. are you totally against that ban then?
Doesnt really matter what you or anyone else think in the end the rules are made by the people having the forum, and thats it^^

 

[Danord_durin]

Never the less personal attacks are good reading

 

[ebenezer]

Never the less personal attacks are good reading

so is porn in some situasions...but i dont wanna read it in the rvr section

 

[Gamah]

well lol gamah..if you use it as a personal attack here on forum and the rules says you cant. are you totally against that ban then?
Doesnt really matter what you or anyone else think in the end the rules are made by the people having the forum, and thats it^^

I'll take my chances, thanks for stopping by.

 

[ebenezer]

I'll take my chances, thanks for stopping by.

i know you do

 

[Sharkith]

I can and do accept its not acceptable, but it is to me so why shouldn't I use it? Its the age old question about freedoms and liberties.

aye thats about it Gamah, we know there are lots of things that are unacceptible and we still express ourselves in those ways - its one of lifes contradictions. What would life be without them? Anyway you have said your bit I have said mine and I think we understand each other.

I come from quite a rough place too but this term was never used - in England it is very different. Where I come from we had our own terms that were equally as bad and of course I grew up using them - no-one is an angel when it comes to language. Thats why I would never deny you your right to express yourself. Nonetheless I cannot help but thinking that when that word is used it really lets the poster and the forums down.

regards

Sharkith

 

[Straef]

I got a pm from eggy saying using crack pipe was insinuating he had a drugs problem. I sent a reply back saying ok fair enough ill say pan pipe as theres no drugs correlation. didnt get anything back from him saying not to. used pan pipe many times with no worries (as its clearly non offensive) then all of a sudden got a warning for it.

I mean from my point of view I try and adhere to what I was told. I still want to be able to have little digs at people ofc thats half the fun but I dont want to do it in anyway that really offends anyone. I think you guys just take your jobs too seriously and its destroying all the fun here.

I mean come on pan pipe ffs

It's just a warning, get over it. A mod obviously found it offensive, and tried to explain why, and you thus got a warning. No vacation, no permanent ban, nothing horrible.

Pan pipe still offends me and you are just bending the rules to suit yourself,we all still no you mean crack pipe so you deserve all you get imo

Should you not get a warning for using the wanker emoticon on an hourly basis then? When you think about it (if), it comes down to censi's use of 'pan pipe'. You call people wankers every other post, which is hardly any better, so you might aswell get a warning for that.

To those that post 'retard' the word in itself is not offensive but the usage can be grossly offensive and certain uses in these forums is way beyond the line. For example calling repeat greifing in RvR 'retarded' as a behaviour is not offensive. Calling someone a 'retard' for any reason is plain wrong.

Someone said that whoever complained about that should get out more. If I called someone a 'retard' in work as part of my everyday speech my career would be over. So its not the word it is the way it is used.

Some of you are superb at using potentially abusive language in a non-offensive manner I would hope that continues. In fact we should encourage inventive lanuage use. Calling someone 'a retard' is not one of those instances and really is very offensive. If you don't speak English as your first language I would excuse you, anyone else

They get the message tho. Personally, I'm not the slightest bit bothered by people swearing, be it diseases or whatever, and I can't picture anyone being truly hurt by the word 'retard', unless the person happens to have a disabled relative or so. When I call someone a retard, I'm merely saying the person is acting like a 5 y/o, or being particulary thick. Sure, I could call the person thick/childish, but that doesn't do it for me.

So if i find it offensive i should stop coming to the forums and so should everyone else who does so? From my point of view it is offensive because of the meaning that is implemented in the way it is used in these forums. I dont think i am the only one, so why should i stop using the forums instead of the people using the word getting a warn?
/edit Secondly the VAST %age of people who use it very often do it in combination with "fucking" and other superb linguistic artisteries.

Firstly, I disagree with the leaving bit, tho it might be easier to read past offensive things, rather than taking it personally or getting offended by it whenever you read it.
Secondly, FH isn't the only place where the word is used in such a way. I'm not saying it's 'ok', but I run into the word wherever I go, limited as that area may be, besides using it on a fair few ocasions myself.
I'm fairly sure that a lot of the people expressing themselves in such a way don't necissarily mean to hurt someone's feelings, but rather try to make something clear. It may not be the most sophisticated way to say something, but it's common and to some people, like me, it's just not offensive, so they might not expect to hurt someone's feelings by saying it.

 

[ebenezer]

aye thats about it Gamah, we know there are lots of things that are unacceptible and we still express ourselves in those ways - its one of lifes contradictions. What would life be without them? Anyway you have said your bit I have said mine and I think we understand each other.

I come from quite a rough place too but this term was never used - in England it is very different. Where I come from we had our own terms that were equally as bad and of course I grew up using them - no-one is an angel when it comes to language. Thats why I would never deny you your right to express yourself. Nonetheless I cannot help but thinking that when that word is used it really lets the poster and the forums down.

regards

Sharkith

thing is most people do curse a lot. i do it as wlel and im absolutely no angel in that area. But i know when and where to use it. if im discussiing something i might use strong words to back my arguments up, but lol...so far no one in any discussions in rl contained words like retard,,,and if they did they were beyond words by then^^ So i doubt gamah here use that words with people in rl in a sensible discussions( if he have any?). Or im sure he wouldnt be recognised by his mother by now^^ Any other statement would mean he is somehow living in a monostary with people being so spiritual they would let him do anything or a big lie
Its over inet and you have to expect this behaviour i guess, just look at chat rooms etc in general what the behaviour is there. people saying they wanna kill eachother this and that, and ofc its said in rl as well...but not in a discussion or its allready to late for that So its basicly down to that people know they can get away with it. otherwise it wouldnt look like this, its a fact.
eb.

 

[liloe]

I think so ye Gamah. And liloe, I guess you sorta pwned me there. GIVF danish as the language used in these forums

don't get me wrong though, I didn't answer that to "pwn" anyone =) Some words are stuff you get used to when speaking a language and as eben said, some of it is ok for discussions, some is not. I'm quite sure that I curse too often when I talk to friends, but they know how I mean it.

When I talk to another person, I'm in no way gonna speak like that. The same thing goes for a public forum. I don't know the people there so I cannot judge if they would like to hear certain words. Also I'm not a native speaker, which means I sometimes have to think about what I write. I'm quite sure sometimes I write strange stuff and eng. people would (or do? =)) ) laugh about it, but hey, that's life.

So what is the decision for me, I will keep it down with cursing and just write normally =) No, I'm not an angel, I curse too much in /as sometimes, but I hope it's all forgiven =))

 

[Bracken]

I can and do accept its not acceptable, but it is to me so why shouldn't I use it? Its the age old question about freedoms and liberties.

Or just the fact we are guests on a forum. I got a warning for posting "Two World Wars and still a bunch of arrogant w*nkers" to a German taking the piss at us going out of the world cup. After re-reading the CoC I accepted the warning was a fair cop. (I took exception to the mod telling me it was a "racist" post which is just bollox - but that's a different issue ). If you want to post here you have to accept the rules - the mods don't always get it right but on the whole they do a decent job. Really the whining going on about them here is just pitiful. Bottom line is if you don't like the rules just find another forum.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

<snip>
and I can't picture anyone being truly hurt by the word 'retard'
<snip>

Should someone call me that I would be offended very much. If that person would say that in my face, he'll probably have a fist in his not very long after.

It's not about you not being able to picture someone getting hurt by namecalling.. it's about accepting that they do, and respecting those people by not calling them names.
You don't have to understand their reasoning, just accept that it's the case...

 

[Dimse Dut]

Ok but here we have thread thats lasted 20 pages and for FH standard it has been like a Nobel panel.

I wish I could make moderators bookmark this thread so they saw that when given a fair chance the "non-paying commeners" of FH can Dazzle.

*respect and cookies to you all*

 

[Gilbride]

yeh you did missunderstood me a bit and im gonna answer you then since you at least put some thought into ur posts First of all the people i mentioned and many more do check the rvr forum but as stated many times before they are tired of all the drewl and whine that goes on here. Most in our guild are 25 plus some have familys etc and dont behave like 50% of the children on these boards. So, they dont see much they wanna discuss in rvr since 90% of it is shit and whine? see what i mean. Also they cant understand how a forum with rules just get crossed every day by same people whout them getting banned permanently.

No offense m8 but you havent been here long enough to have much weight in ur opinions either in that matter. Im sure you have a view on whats going on here, but i havent started react this much the first year i was here, i got fed up the last now since of all the bs thats been going on. And do you really think 80% of the whiners on here even post anything remotely close to a discussion,,anything near what we are having now? Answer is no. And therefor nothing that belongs in rvr discussions. make a new sextion then maybe? Whine and personal attacks section. then you and others that liks to laugh about that and other imature discussions can load ur crap there( not you if you dont like it). hows that? And let the rest have some more reasonable discussions about rvr and so on.
Anyways...i know you are for a more open dialog from what it seems, but ur in a very bad company m8 and you get pulled along with a heap of trash along the way^^
eb.

Actually I'm all for the trashy flamey "discussions", it's not half the fun reading a forum where everything is censored and modded to hell and back, and that's not something I want to see happen, thus my position in this matter. These guys who're all "so bad and trashy" are really nothing compared to alot of posters, not a single one of 'em.

As for my opinion not mattering as much, I wouldn't expect it to carry the same strength as the old boardtrolls, because I'm a fairly new face, so that's really no problem. That doesn't mean my points, much like anyone elses, are invalid, as long as they're informed and up-to-date. Therefore I'm obviously avoiding discussing too much in past tense, because, as you said too, I wasn't around back then.

While I quite expected to be slightly off concerning your mates etc, I've already made a comment on that earlier. It's really not that hard to not read every thread, and it's no requirement to browse through everything posted. I'm an old board-crawler, if not so much here on this forum, and if everything is neat and tidy all the time, it just gets boring. O'course it has to do with what kind of forum it is too, but an RvR-section in a competitive game like this is bound to be people rubbing shoulders with eachother, and it's gonna be a pissing contest. IMO, as long as it's RvR-related, which means the flametossing "you added on my grandmother"-threads, it should be fine, as long as it doesn't go overboard. And I'm well aware of the fact that my limits for overboard are alot more.. accepting than those of the mods and some users seem to be.

That said I wouldn't want to see a different section for it, because there's no need for it, you can have all types of threads mixed, each reader just needs to learn how to screen through topics. Really, what it all boils down to is whether you actually take what's said on a forum seriously or not. I don't, it's a laugh to me in most cases, sure, if a serious discussion turns up, I'll definitely keep a serious discussion going, but if it's not, just roll with it, and get some laughs out of it. That's the way I see it, and it would seem, quite a few others as well. I'm all for serious discussion, but if you're nothing but serious, you lose out on alot of the fun as well.

Just as an example, tell me if this thread would float on FH or get closed and poster/s banned within minutes? http://vnboards.ign.com/realm_of_albion/b22184/74375976/p1
Personally I get such a laugh out of that thread, and it's a pure flamebait, but sometimes you gotta allow yourself a laugh out of someone elses expense.

 

[Straef]

Should someone call me that I would be offended very much. If that person would say that in my face, he'll probably have a fist in his not very long after.

It's not about you not being able to picture someone getting hurt by namecalling.. it's about accepting that they do, and respecting those people by not calling them names.
You don't have to understand their reasoning, just accept that it's the case...

The thing is, I tend to show people as much respect as they show me, and I won't go walking up to random people to give them a piece of my mind. If someone gets me as far as to give him a proper bitching, he's basicly had it coming, and in that case I couldn't care less about how much I hurt him, I might actually like it.
And I get your point, and that's why I don't go yelling things in public which I might say around friends or at home or wherever, and I do try to avoid upsetting people, usually.

 

[Golena]

Should someone call me that I would be offended very much. If that person would say that in my face, he'll probably have a fist in his not very long after.

Slightly off topic maybe:

It's not ok for someone to call you a retard.
It is ok for you to punch someone in the face.

I've normally found that people making such statements arn't actually particularly offended at all, just looking for justification to hit someone.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Slightly off topic maybe:

It's not ok for someone to call you a retard.
It is ok for you to punch someone in the face.

I've normally found that people making such statements arn't actually particularly offended at all, just looking for justification to hit someone.

well, I haven't been in a fight in.... well, I think more than 10 years and I hope to maintain this for quite some time in the future, so I'm definately not just looking to add some color to someone's face.

and no, it's not okay to punch someone in the face out of the blue, but if someone is out provoking others by calling them names he _is_ asking for it.

 

[Labello]

Dallas - I removed your sig. I didn't like it.

Anyone else voting 'no' just fuck off then. Simple as that. Start your own board, bitch at each other on IRC or whatever. I don't care.

I'm sorely tempted to just gather up their names at the end of the poll and delete their ids, to be honest.

This bitching at the mods and baiting will stop, whether it's through choice (aka people growing up a little) or through my ban stick.

Vote away guys - have fun while you can.

You can be a great leader and solve the problem "nicely"
We can end this war nice and quite, by changing the rules to what ever most ppl whant.
Do it easy by starting a thread where we can discuss new rules for the forum.
Then form rules after there reactions.


Ore you can be weak and brainless, as you sad (aka people growing up a little) by kicking ppl left and right cous they dont whant the same sulotion as you do

 

[Dave J.]

Chillax, retards.

 

[Dimse Dut]

Chillax, retards.

*waits a few*

 

[Stallion]

i feel that some random mongs who get prema pooned in rvr whenever they actualy play the game should not have the power!

looks to me with your stupidity.. neither should you.

but hey why would you.. even if we take your point

 

[Bracken]

You can be a great leader and solve the problem "nicely"
We can end this war nice and quite, by changing the rules to what ever most ppl whant.
Do it easy by starting a thread where we can discuss new rules for the forum.
Then form rules after there reactions.

Ore you can be weak and brainless, as you sad (aka people growing up a little) by kicking ppl left and right cous they dont whant the same sulotion as you do

What nonsense. There is no "war" - you don't like how the forum is? Go and find another one. This is starting to sound very much like "Join a game,decide you don't like how it's played and try and make everyone else change to your way of playing." Not forgetting to call anyone else who doesn't play your enlightened way a retard of course...

 

[ebenezer]

Actually I'm all for the trashy flamey "discussions", it's not half the fun reading a forum where everything is censored and modded to hell and back, and that's not something I want to see happen, thus my position in this matter. These guys who're all "so bad and trashy" are really nothing compared to alot of posters, not a single one of 'em.

As for my opinion not mattering as much, I wouldn't expect it to carry the same strength as the old boardtrolls, because I'm a fairly new face, so that's really no problem. That doesn't mean my points, much like anyone elses, are invalid, as long as they're informed and up-to-date. Therefore I'm obviously avoiding discussing too much in past tense, because, as you said too, I wasn't around back then.

While I quite expected to be slightly off concerning your mates etc, I've already made a comment on that earlier. It's really not that hard to not read every thread, and it's no requirement to browse through everything posted. I'm an old board-crawler, if not so much here on this forum, and if everything is neat and tidy all the time, it just gets boring. O'course it has to do with what kind of forum it is too, but an RvR-section in a competitive game like this is bound to be people rubbing shoulders with eachother, and it's gonna be a pissing contest. IMO, as long as it's RvR-related, which means the flametossing "you added on my grandmother"-threads, it should be fine, as long as it doesn't go overboard. And I'm well aware of the fact that my limits for overboard are alot more.. accepting than those of the mods and some users seem to be.

That said I wouldn't want to see a different section for it, because there's no need for it, you can have all types of threads mixed, each reader just needs to learn how to screen through topics. Really, what it all boils down to is whether you actually take what's said on a forum seriously or not. I don't, it's a laugh to me in most cases, sure, if a serious discussion turns up, I'll definitely keep a serious discussion going, but if it's not, just roll with it, and get some laughs out of it. That's the way I see it, and it would seem, quite a few others as well. I'm all for serious discussion, but if you're nothing but serious, you lose out on alot of the fun as well.

Just as an example, tell me if this thread would float on FH or get closed and poster/s banned within minutes? http://vnboards.ign.com/realm_of_albion/b22184/74375976/p1
Personally I get such a laugh out of that thread, and it's a pure flamebait, but sometimes you gotta allow yourself a laugh out of someone elses expense.

well I wish it was as simple as to just brows away to the posts you wanna read Its not though....as soon as a whiner sees a guy he wanna abuse he goes for him in any single thread. This always happends and cant be stopped as it is now even with the rules. So only chance is to ban him really^^ In game you can ignore and on FH you can on pms...but not on rest of forums.
So the only chance to actually get away from it is when mods do the job good. Also even if ur not a target its quite tedius to get every feckin post locked cause cant keep their mouth shut and have to attack someone in every thread. If something for once is getting intresting someone have to absuse and bam...thread locked. And i dont blame the mods for that which some obviosuly do, that would be like blaming the police every time they enforce the law and lock a guy breaking it everytime
So...the other alternative is another fourm which they are not to keen on. Or to make a whine section. That way the whiners can abuse and be more open there and it will be a chance for people not wanna read it to escape it. i could accept such a section. but not that it is spammed in the regular rvr section. And atm me and others have the rules on our side...

So bottom line. Either abide by rules , dont abide by rules and have this ongoing discussion( what i think is gonna happend)..make something else happend( forum, another section).
eb.

 

[ebenezer]

What nonsense. There is no "war" - you don't like how the forum is? Go and find another one. This is starting to sound very much like "Join a game,decide you don't like how it's played and try and make everyone else change to your way of playing." Not forgetting to call anyone else who doesn't play your enlightened way a retard of course...

yeh...i see a pattern

 

[toxii]

Just as an example, tell me if this thread would float on FH or get closed and poster/s banned within minutes? http://vnboards.ign.com/realm_of_albion/b22184/74375976/p1
Personally I get such a laugh out of that thread, and it's a pure flamebait, but sometimes you gotta allow yourself a laugh out of someone elses expense.

thats by far one of the funniest threads i ever read ^^

 

[Sollers]

What nonsense. There is no "war" - you don't like how the forum is? Go and find another one. This is starting to sound very much like "Join a game,decide you don't like how it's played and try and make everyone else change to your way of playing." Not forgetting to call anyone else who doesn't play your enlightened way a retard of course...

nice one, push this towards another FG rvr vs. zerg rvr topic.

way to go

 

[Gilbride]

well I wish it was as simple as to just brows away to the posts you wanna read Its not though....as soon as a whiner sees a guy he wanna abuse he goes for him in any single thread. This always happends and cant be stopped as it is now even with the rules. So only chance is to ban him really^^ In game you can ignore and on FH you can on pms...but not on rest of forums.
So the only chance to actually get away from it is when mods do the job good. Also even if ur not a target its quite tedius to get every feckin post locked cause cant keep their mouth shut and have to attack someone in every thread. If something for once is getting intresting someone have to absuse and bam...thread locked. And i dont blame the mods for that which some obviosuly do, that would be like blaming the police every time they enforce the law and lock a guy breaking it everytime
So...the other alternative is another fourm which they are not to keen on. Or to make a whine section. That way the whiners can abuse and be more open there and it will be a chance for people not wanna read it to escape it. i could accept such a section. but not that it is spammed in the regular rvr section. And atm me and others have the rules on our side...

So bottom line. Either abide by rules , dont abide by rules and have this ongoing discussion( what i think is gonna happend)..make something else happend( forum, another section).
eb.

I wouldn't necessarily say I disagree entirely with what you're saying, altho obviously to some extent I do. Yes, I'd go so far as to blame the moderators for some of the locked threads, but not because they're necessarily doing a bad job, rather because I'd rather say there could be a different way to go about things, than simply locking every thread where some people go, what is to the rules considered overboard. Edititing the posts that're considered out of bounds and throw in a warning/temp ban. Using the thread I posted as an example just above, which you didn't comment about(I would've wanted to hear your comment on it ) you can clearly see what kind of moderation I'd rather see than locking every thread where someone said something evul.

Obviously VNBoards have a very strictly censored languagepolicy, which isn't what I mean I'd be after, but simply edit out the "problem" in the post and let the thread roll on. It's more work for the moderators, but it's alot better for the forum I'd say. Such an increased workload could obviously be lightened by extending an invitation to be a moderator to such people the admins/mods would feel could do a decent job at it, and thus increase the moderator-force, rather than necessarily removing every single mod out there now, because as has been said by alot of people who've voted "no", it's not necessarily that the mods are doing a terrible job, just that there might be room for improvements.

 

[Jupitus]

nice one, push this towards another FG rvr vs. zerg rvr topic.

way to go

Actually, Sollers, that's what this is all about (well 95%) imho.

The whines flared up when we took a stance and said 'no add whineage'. It seems to me that the people doing the whining are to a large extent the ones who don't like it when we say 'it's all part of the game, live with it'.

Why not a rule against zerg whining? Because it hadn't got to epidemic proportions like add whining had. Almost every grats thread was having to be heavily edited or closed due to one or another saying 'gratz n00b adder weakling' or similar. That's not what gratz threads are for.

We added the rule to counteract people being victimised on the boards by a subset of users. I stand by that decision as being fundamentally correct.

 

[Gahn]

Actually, Sollers, that's what this is all about (well 95%) imho.

The whines flared up when we took a stance and said 'no add whineage'. It seems to me that the people doing the whining are to a large extent the ones who don't like it when we say 'it's all part of the game, live with it'.

Why not a rule against zerg whining? Because it hadn't got to epidemic proportions like add whining had. Almost every grats thread was having to be heavily edited or closed due to one or another saying 'gratz n00b adder weakling' or similar. That's not what gratz threads are for.

We added the rule to counteract people being victimised on the boards by a subset of users. I stand by that decision as being fundamentally correct.

Well if it was for grats threads problem solved when it was decided to move em off rvr section; so we can relax rules in here a bit now? xD

 

[pikeh]

thats by far one of the funniest threads i ever read ^^

dual wield pole arm........
rofl

funniest thread...ever.