The current moderators

[Alan]

Being a long time friend of Dallas for example i dont like the idea that they "Supposedly" deleted his sig and took away some of his rep points.Although im not 100% sure of what the contents of his sig was last i saw it said " Dallas rr9 bm and rr4 runemaster" although he may of changed it at some point before i could see an updated version.

Their has also been speculations (from what i hear from people) that the mods go into pm box, weither this is true or not i dont know, yes its an invasion of peoples privacy but example if they believe that the certain player is up to something to ruin e.g "the spirit of the game" where as selling cheats through pms ect, they would have a right to investigate that.

The sig broke the terms and conditions of the forums (and was different to the one you saw)

As for PM's, vBulletin stores private messages in its database, however there are no means for moderators or admins to access these messages through the forum software. I can say hand on heart that I have no means of reading anyones PM's other than taking a large baseball bat to Deebs and threatening him for a copy of the forum database.

 

[Jupitus]

Being a long time friend of Dallas for example i dont like the idea that they "Supposedly" deleted his sig and took away some of his rep points.Although im not 100% sure of what the contents of his sig was last i saw it said " Dallas rr9 bm and rr4 runemaster" although he may of changed it at some point before i could see an updated version.

He was using it to promote freeshards.

Their has also been speculations (from what i hear from people) that the mods go into pm box, weither this is true or not i dont know, yes its an invasion of peoples privacy but example if they believe that the certain player is up to something to ruin e.g "the spirit of the game" where as selling cheats through pms ect, they would have a right to investigate that.

Untrue - in fact, as an admin, I can't read people's PMs, although I can see how many PMs users have in their allocation of space.

Edit: Tears in a wtfpwning Jupspeed shocker!!!

 

[Alan]

... stuff ...

Too slow Old man.

 

[Elkie]

Fair enough, remember it was only what i heard about the reading pms, rest was my view on things.

 

[ebenezer]

jup and tears and rest of mods. Can you please read the sugestion about another section and tell me if that would be possible. Its on the page before this.
eb.

 

[Elkie]

Can we please have a new section called rvr ventilation or whinage or something so that all these people can go there and do just that?
That way i and a lot of others can just avoid going into that section all together. And you can enforce bans and stricter rules on people inc to troll or flame in the normal rvr section.
waiting with excitement to hear the answer..
eb.

By having this forum it would be a silly idea as it is RvR related yet whining is not allowed, the forum page would be a waiste imo

 

[Alan]

jup and tears and rest of mods. Can you please read the sugestion about another section and tell me if that would be possible. Its on the page before this.
eb.

I've posted a link to the other mods, the one thing that worries me here is that any forum where the rules are more lapse could easily be abused by everyone as a place to evade the rules, there would be little if any activity in the other forums.

 

[Novamir]

Comments like those just get the thread ignored, or locked.

IMO, Tears, thats exactly one of the problems.

Firstly, why do those comments get a thread locked? Sure they aren't directly constructive, but for example, Censi's was just a joke to me. the others' comments can just be ignored. I dont understand why you have to be so militant.

Also, why victimise the thread and everyone else because one or two comments make you pissed off? They dont make the rest of us pissed off. If you feel you really have to moderate then at least do it discriminately.

 

[Alan]

IMO, Tears, thats exactly one of the problems.

Firstly, why do those comments get a thread locked? Sure they aren't directly constructive, but for example, Censi's was just a joke to me. the others' comments can just be ignored. I dont understand why you have to be so militant.

Also, why victimise the thread and everyone else because one or two comments make you pissed off? They dont make the rest of us pissed off. If you feel you really have to moderate then at least do it discriminately.

I refer you to my post in FULL.

The current forum guidelines are quite clear on threads intended to flame others, or whine about the game mechanics, if you want these guidelines changed then provide constructive feedback

If a thread becomes saturated with childish comments or abuse to the mods/admins/users then it is no longer providing constructive feedback.

 

[Ronso]

I voted no . The reason I voted no is because the question wasnt overly detailed but my answer lay someone on the 'no' side . I dont like the attitude of one or two of the moderators even though Ive never had a fall out with them personally and I dont base it on people I know getting a bashing . Its just from what Ive seen ..some very saracastic overly witty mod comments as a closing statement on a thread etc and just a few of the ways things have been handled . The if you dont like then fuck off thing is definately the wrong way to go about it however I cant deny that a few of the FH users deserve that .

Sometimes retarded threads do start but I wouldnt jump to close it straight away . Personal attacks are lame yeah but theres nothing really left to discuss and everything seems to be a well done albs on rr or well done albs its ure fault ure over populated and crap polls like IRVR do we like it ?

FAO INSEOROA

Why did you kill me four times in a row after emoting surrender to me threads are fine I think .

Just me tho

 

[Conway]

Are you lot still talking about this...

<skips ten pages>

I think a general whine section that the rest of us can happily ignore is one thing. If its going to be a personal abuse section that is another matter. That drags people forcibly into it because they are being abused there. I don't see that is needed.

 

[Sharkith]

is this is now the longest thread on FH?

 

[Conway]

Mmmm, actually how about a whine section where you have to join a user group to actually see it, and you can flame other users of the whine section but flaming non users gets you a ban. Then those who like having personal fights can do so and people who don't can stay totally out of it. All you would need is a mod who wears asbestos armour and doesn't care what anyone says about him.

 

[censi]

The current forum guidelines are quite clear on threads intended to flame others, or whine about the game mechanics, if you want these guidelines changed then provide constructive feedback

THIS POST NOT CONSTRUCTIVE ENOUGH FOR YOU?

Take the hint ffs.

 

[Elkie]

is this is now the longest thread on FH?

No weird shaving one on off topic went on for 53 pages

 

[Sharkith]

No weird shaving one on off topic went on for 53 pages

 

[Congax]

Keep them replies coming and we'll be on 50 pages soon, Sharkith

 

[Straef]

So, basicly, this thread could be seen as a tribute to my never-ending fight against non-spamming and non-sarcastic individuals.

 

[Dukat]

non-spamming and non-sarcastic individuals.

no. such. animal.

woot, both spam and sarcasm in one post, what do I win ? (please dont ban me nice mods please please k thanks)

on topic: havent voted, not totally made up my mind tbh, one or two of the current mods can be annoying but then most people are annoying in thier own way, when elevated to a position (eg. moderator) the annoying things are highlighted for others to see, theres always going to be some who get annoyed by a certain mod, weather or not what we have here is just a few people getting annoyed or a fair portion of the regular community is the real question, hard to say but there are alot of names on the 'no' side of things tbh.

 

[Bracken]

please that arguement is getting soooo old

bracken have you applied to be a mod by any chance?

The argument is getting old and yet remains so true. You don't have to post here - if the compulsion to write "retard" (or the particular insult of choice which you're not allowed to post here) is so strong then find somewhere that allows you to do it.

As for your question - er no. I'm far too biased to do that job (I'd just ban whining ***** like you and be done with it ) , which is one reason why I think those of you whining about the current mods need to wake up and smell the coffee - despite the occasional mistake they actually do a pretty reasonable job considering the muppets they are having to deal with. Like I said earlier, what IS this obsession with wanting to call people "retards" or bitch and whine at people. The rules say we can't, so get over it.

 

[ebenezer]

I've posted a link to the other mods, the one thing that worries me here is that any forum where the rules are more lapse could easily be abused by everyone as a place to evade the rules, there would be little if any activity in the other forums.

Well how to do it would be up to you and invent a good way to solve it. But from what i seen in this thread ur taking in some of the "whining" sides critisism. And i think if you wanna find a way in between without hurting any camp too much and sort of please both a new section were they can go ventilate and a sort of harder enforced rvr section in some way would be only way to make both happy. Keep it as it is, and still enforce the rules you have il be happy. But the whiners will deffo keep terorise you until you ban them for good...they wont learn or change we seen that now. Make the rules less strict and me and alot of other people will leave or just not read it anymore and you will have only whine and no real discussions left. Anyhow...its up to you guys, make a wise desision and dont give in to any threats/pressure from either side. But it seems something needs to be done either way or with something in between
Gl.
eb.

 

[Dakkath]

Well, I'm in two inds on this one too...

I've paid subscription on here for the last 2 years so I must, at least on some level, believe that they're doing a good job...

However I was vocal in the last major 'Mod Evaluation' thread...

After that thread I sent PMs to all the mod folks explaining my comments and suggested one or 2 steps that may make life easier... I did get a reply from Flim who seemed to take some of them on board which is a good start...

They're not perfect, but hell no-one is... One thing I do have to say having read all the posts here is that I do believe that we, the forum using members should have a voice and the right to raise issue with some of the moderation on here but starting a thread should be the very last resort...

PMing the folks in question usually gets a more favourable response without having the mod go into 'defensive mode'. Usually a public thread will result in them receiving 3000 whines and 10 genuinely sensible comments which get lost in the deluge of crap...

Sadly, it seems that Jupitus going ubah defensive scored a huge PR own goal with his 'STFU or FO' comment. Bit of a silly comment to make given the current climate but I hope and suspect he regrets the way he phrased it (if not the meaning behind it). Oh well we live and learn I guess...

Anyway, I'm voting a tentative yes for now but I do think things could be slightly better. How about, as a gesture of good will, reviewing the additional CoC surrounding these forums and evaluating whether some of it is too strict (as it seems to be the driving force behind the majority of issues one way or the other). This could either be done publically or behind closed doors *IF* one or 2 of the (slightly less reactionary) subscription paying members, selected by the masses were consulted. Perhaps getting a bit of user buy in will help to calm things a bit. Just a thought...

 

[Sharkith]

fact is even the whiners are a bunch of pussies anyway XD. Just a little bit of history for you, back in the days (3 years ago) I was a co-creator of this discussion board....

Frothersunite

This is how they talk about stuff in the froth pot

So just in case you think I don't tolerate flaming etc think again. I just have very little tolerance for repetitive shite and a lack of imagination

 

[Bracken]

Sadly, it seems that Jupitus going ubah defensive scored a huge PR own goal with his 'STFU or FO' comment. Bit of a silly comment to make given the current climate but I hope and suspect he regrets the way he phrased it (if not the meaning behind it). Oh well we live and learn I guess...

I hope he doesn't regret it - it was exactly what was needed. The "current climate" has come about because there are too many people here that are spitting their dummies out because they can't get their own way. It's like they're a bunch of '80s children used to being able to do what they want, say what they want and not give a f*ck how anyone else feels who are suddenly having to comply with a few boundaries. They sound like a bunch of Harry Enfield's Kevins.

 

[censi]

Like I said earlier, what IS this obsession with wanting to call people "retards" or bitch and whine at people. The rules say we can't, so get over it.

quit with this im genuinly offended by the word retard horseshit bracken. its a load of fucking bullshit.

My title on FH is tight Bastard. Do you know what a bastard is? Do you know that in a lot of countries around the world this is still a very heavy insulting swear word.

you also got /wanker emotes as people have pointed out.

such a load of bullshit being spouted here.

 

[Sharkith]

quit with this im genuinly offended by the word retard horseshit bracken. its a load of fucking bullshit.

My title on FH is tight Bastard. Do you know what a bastard is? Do you know that in a lot of countries around the world this is still a very heavy insulting swear word.

you also got /wanker emotes as people have pointed out.

such a load of bullshit being spouted here.

aye censi this is true, a word is not offensive in its own right, how people choose to use can be though. I think your missing the fucking the point. You can pretty get away with saying anything you like in life as long as your careful. How some terms have been used here over and over again has been stupid. Like I said before turing around to someone and going - "Hey you what the fuck where you doing that was retarded" is very different to going "Hey you are a fucking retard!"

If you can't get the difference then there is no point trying to discuss it with you.

 

[Bracken]

quit with this im genuinly offended by the word retard horseshit bracken. its a load of fucking bullshit.

My title on FH is tight Bastard. Do you know what a bastard is? Do you know that in a lot of countries around the world this is still a very heavy insulting swear word.

you also got /wanker emotes as people have pointed out.

such a load of bullshit being spouted here.

I'M not offended by it. I couldn't care less what words people use. I'm mildly offended that the word **** is censored out as I'd have no problem with it being used. I was put out that I got a warning for insulting an obnoxious poster about his nationality. So I really couldn't give a shit what words are allowed - the fact is that you AREN'T allowed to use it because some people ARE offended by it. That's the simple fact you need to grasp, accept, stop f*cking whining about and stop bitching at the mods over.

 

[ebenezer]

I hope he doesn't regret it - it was exactly what was needed. The "current climate" has come about because there are too many people here that are spitting their dummies out because they can't get their own way. It's like they're a bunch of '80s children used to being able to do what they want, say what they want and not give a f*ck how anyone else feels who are suddenly having to comply with a few boundaries. They sound like a bunch of Harry Enfield's Kevins.

i think he said what many are thinking tbh And i do understand if they are so fed up with all this shit tbh. I could never be a mod here, think i would have gone berserk long ago. Reason i even care about all this , is that im a bit offended by the lack of understanding for the structure they have here. I usually dont like athorities much myself but i was raised in typical swedish family during the 70s, with a good morale and a decent social behaviour.

Another thing that i been appalled by and annoyed with many times, is this alter ego people create over inet. I think us that have been raised in 70s and earlier have a stronger self image perhaps and wouldnt dream of altering urself just cause you cant be touched or reached. If im not roleplaying ( which i havent done since a long way back) im always myself and dont exagerate or use any stronger language then i would if i discussed or met someone in rl. But thats something the younger people more raised with computers and a slacky upbringing have differently from us. they began keeping contact and chatting over inet much earlier then us and in a younger age.
Also never being satisfied or constantly questioning athorities is a thing of this time and age. No one is satisfied with what they have and wanna be able to do just about anything anywhere at all times
I was in pretty bad company and lived a pretty wild teenage life, but me and my friends always had respect and an understanding for other people that doesnt exist in same way today^^
Goodness im starting to feel old

Anyhow....i understand that we are all of different ages and we are all different and live in different cultures. But something that i think we should have in common is to have some empathy and a respect for other human beings , whatever playstyle( yes even playstyle!) or background they come .
And that includes listening to poeple, not abuse other people and not asume to much or expect that YOU are the most important. Something i see very little on these boards...
eb.

 

[Collateral]

damn it...i voted no...
my fault, since "ze crazi german" was too fast with his selection and wasn´t reading whats the whole poll is about Oo

i like the forum and the way things are going. too many whiners around, but that makes this forum kinda amusing. the german daoc forums are so damn boring because of so many restrictions that hardly anyone is posting anymore.

and a big "lol" to anyone, who feels insulted by forum titles and "naughty" emotes, hehe

keep up the good work guys and +1 to YES!!

 

[Gilbride]

I've posted a link to the other mods, the one thing that worries me here is that any forum where the rules are more lapse could easily be abused by everyone as a place to evade the rules, there would be little if any activity in the other forums.

So basically, what this comment says, if reading the words typed out, is that if there was a forum-section with different rules, i e less strict, everyone would move to use this forum. Doesn't this actually tell you that the rules are too strict, if you're expecting everyone, not just "the whiners" to move over to a possible new section with less strict rules?