Question State Terrorism?

[Trem]

This probably has more to do with how the rockets kill people less than 1% of the time or wound less than 15% while murdered babies are actually well.. dead.

This is pretty much why palestinians seems to get more coverage.

If someone throws a dart at me I will punch them in the fucking mouth.

Reaction to an action you see.

 

[Scouse]

If someone throws a dart at me I will punch them in the fucking mouth.

If someone throws a dart at you will you go over and kick their next-door-neighbours baby's face in and then make sure they can't get to a doctor?

 

[Helme]

So the Hamas defence is "don't blow us up, we're incompetent"? I can get board with the idea that the Israeli response is disproportionate, but the whole "only 1% of Hamas rockets kill anyone so its soooo unfair" argument is ultimately a crock of shit.

Nowwhere did I say that it was right what Hamas were doing, I was just explaining why it got more TV time.

If every single rocket Hamas fired got TV time we'd be seeing nothing but reports of "a rocket hit the pavement in Israel today, nobody was hurt, nobody was injured".

 

[Trem]

If someone throws a dart at you will you go over and kick their next-door-neighbours baby's face in and then make sure they can't get to a doctor?

Well if the person who threw the dart knew I was that way inclined then whose fault would it be if I did?

 

[Scouse]

Well if the person who threw the dart knew I was that way inclined then whose fault would it be if I did?

Yours.

 

[Trem]

Yours.

How do you explain that then?

If I poke a tiger with a stick and it attacks me and my family is it my fault or the tigers?

 

[Scouse]

Trem: "Well your honour, I was in a pub and this bloke glassed me"

Judge: "Yes?"

Trem: "So I went round his house and killed his children a few weeks later"

Judge: "WHAT??!!!!"

Trem: "Yeah. I figured 'I'd show him' - so I killed his family"

Judge: "Well, that's all fine then. You're just a dumb animal after all. Like a tiger, eh?"

 

[Ctuchik]

Nowwhere did I say that it was right what Hamas were doing, I was just explaining why it got more TV time.

I don't think anyone on this board is trying to defend what Hamas is doing.

Personally i couldn't give a piss if they bombed Hamas, what i don't like is that Israel is NOT targeting Hamas, but the population they rule over.

Israel seem to think that punishing the population is the best way to make them revolt against Hamas, but what it does is the complete opposite. And Israel can't seem to figure that one out, or they just don't care.

 

[Trem]

Trem: "Well your honour, I was in a pub and this bloke glassed me"

Judge: "Yes?"

Trem: "So I went round his house and killed his children a few weeks later"

Judge: "WHAT??!!!!"

Trem: "Yeah. I figured 'I'd show him' - so I killed his family"

Judge: "Well, that's all fine then. You're just a dumb animal after all. Like a tiger, eh?"

Miles off my friend.

 

[Scouse]

Miles off my friend.

Bang on, my friend.

In fact, I (almost) wish that was the only post I'd made

 

[throdgrain]

Scouse your argument is just getting weaker and weaker so that its almost funny.

 

[Chilly]

Point is, they are not tigers. they are people.

 

[Trem]

Point is, they are not tigers. they are people.

No the point is I would know *before* I poked the tiger that bad things are going to happen, because the other year I poked a tiger and it killed all my family, so I got married again and had children. So if I am stupid enough to poke a tiger again I can't blame the tiger.

Bang on, my friend.

In fact, I (almost) wish that was the only post I'd made

If a bloke glassed me in a pub and he knew I was a nutter who would go and kill his family for doing such a thing then he shouldn't do it should he?

Its not about what happens in court at the end of it all its about action and reaction, its not about right or wrong its about.....well......if you don't like your peoples babies being killed then stop chucking fucking rockets into your enemies country. Babies were killed before and they will be again, if you attack your enemy expect that to happen.

 

[Scouse]

OK then. Lets rephrase it so it's more accurate:

Trem: "Your honour, I was out on a Friday and in a pub across town someone got glassed by some twat"

Judge: "Yes?"

Trem: "Well the person who got glassed came and killed my whole family, even though I wasn't the one who glassed him. In fact I've never hurt anyone."

Judge: "Well, you shouldn't fucking live in that town should you then. There's fucking tigers about"...

 

[Scouse]

if you don't like your peoples babies being killed

By that rationale I'm fair game for the IRA simply because I live in England - regardless of how I feel about the people around me.


Am I fair game, Trem? Just because of where I live?

 

[throdgrain]

Christ Scouse, you're old enough to know that life aint just like that. Get in the real world mate.

 

[Scouse]

Christ Scouse, you're old enough to know that life aint just like that. Get in the real world mate.

Seems like a pretty accurate assessment of the situation to me.


Hamas (the twats) wang a few rockets at Israel. Maybe kills a few if they're "lucky".

Israel invades with tanks, planes, automated missiles, killing nearly 7000 people in the last ten years, builds a wall around them, denies them a reasonable amount of food, water, medical supplies...


What's wrong with that picture throddy? I'm not being obstinate, but that seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.

You sitting there saying "you're going mad Scouse" and "life ain't like that" isn't constructive. Tell me how it actually is if you think I'm wrong.

Remember, I used to be full-on pro-Israel. I've not come to this way of thinking lightly.

 

[Ctuchik]

Ofc there's actions and reactions, but the reaction doesn't justify killing innocent people no matter how you put it.

if someone glass you in a pub you fucking get a baseball bat and cave HIS head in, not his kids or anyone else.

 

[throdgrain]

If Hamas kidnap an Israeli soldier, Israel invade thier country. Harsh?

Well thats clearly what you think of the situation. I call it defending ones people.

I really think this is a no win argument, whatever I say will just result in yet another oh they killed the babies post, but for what its worth, Israel is beset on all sides by people and countries who hate them and want Israel to be destroyed. All Israel can do is defend, vigorously, its people and it's land.

Do I agree that it should be building on Palestinian land against all agreements? No.

 

[noblok]

Israeli document: Gaza blockade isn't about security - World AP - MiamiHerald.com

 

[Scouse]

If Hamas kidnap an Israeli soldier, Israel invade thier country. Harsh?

Throddy. I'm not saying Israel can't defend itself.

I'm no fan of Hamas. Pretty much like everyone in the thread I think they're a bunch of twats.


However, Israel's actions are disproportionate. Out of order - completely. They punish reams of innocents.


The "glassing over the other side of town" example shows this pretty clearly. All I'm saying is that all "states" (not just Israel) have a duty to act proportionately.

Israel isn't doing this. It's murdering innocents by the thousands. It's punishing innocents in the high hundreds of thousands (given there's 1.5 million of 'em).

Why is that concept so offensive to you?

 

[ECA]

Think about Northern Ireland if we had addressed the situation like Israel has.... would that have made it better or worse?

It would have been a disaster of epic proportions.
Is it that hard to see the parallels?

 

[throdgrain]

We did send troops to Northern Ireland ....

 

[ECA]

We didn't blockade northern ireland, stop them exporting or importing goods and reduce them to living on food aid. Unless I'm mistaken.

 

[DaGaffer]

We didn't blockade northern ireland, stop them exporting or importing goods and reduce them to living on food aid. Unless I'm mistaken.

Well since Northern Ireland is our country that would have been rather odd don't you think?

Lot of really fatuous comparisons going on in this thread.

 

[ECA]

I believe some people who live there may disagree with you Dagaffer, violently.

 

[DaGaffer]

I believe some people who live there may disagree with you Dagaffer, violently.

Nevertheless, as there is another group of people who would agree, violently, the two cases aren't the same are they?

If you must make comparisons, we've blockaded and bombed plenty of civilian populations going back to WWI because of the actions of their governments, and had it done to us for that matter.

 

[Ctuchik]

we've blockaded and bombed plenty of civilian populations going back to WWI because of the actions of their governments, and had it done to us for that matter.

so that makes it ok then?

 

[Trem]

so that makes it ok then?

No but its just the way it is.

 

[ramathorn]

I believe some people who live there may disagree with you Dagaffer, violently.

they're living in denial