Some thoughts on 'adding'...

[Marc]

To explain my position a bit further, I do not play for a realm, I play for my personal enjoyment, which is to have fun, challenging fights and gauging my "skills" against others. I will never agree w/ zerging lowlife, and I'll never understand how they can enjoy their playstyle, but as I'm entitled to piss and moan about them, it wouldn't be more than fair for them to piss and moan about us, which they do, quite frequently too.

I think you will find its the 8v8'ers who piss and moan son.

 

[Gilbride]

Yes, well, dad, you see, I never said anything about that not taking place, I was simply stating that the non-8vs8'ers do as well.

 

[Bracken]

I will never agree w/ zerging lowlife, and I'll never understand how they can enjoy their playstyle

So from when you started this game you played purely for fg fights? Bollox did you. I guarantee that for a significant time you played the game purely for fun and enjoyed the zergs in rvr. Then at some point you changed what you wanted from the game. Maybe that was because you got bored of the zergs and wanted a challenge, maybe it was because you got some rps and discovered IRC... but whatever the reason you changed how you played the game. Many of us didn't. We play it now like we always have. Now the irony is that because YOU chose to change how you approached and played the game and we didn't you now look down your nose at us, calling us zerging lowlifes. I've got no problem that you changed how you approached the game. I fully support your right to prefer fg rvr. But your attitude stinks and makes you sound like a ****.

 

[Levin]

I get upset when i run around solo, get jumped by enemies (even if just one) and have a 'fellow' alb stand next to our fight watching me die. Then the enemy hugs the alb and they do their secret handshake or whatever and part ways.

Kivik and anyone else on that side, you would provoke me by not 'adding' on my fights. Shall i start hurling insults your way then? I'd rather not, to be honest.

 

[Nosufer]

Just add on everything, if they don't like it they can organise to duel elsewhere via IRC.

 

[Vodkafairy]

zerg vs zerg was fun in OF, bridge standoffs in NF are not. either way, both are completely unrelated to adding. don't want to die 1v1, don't solo. a lot of people play this game for 1v1's and will not ruin those fights for others either.

people who play 8v8 moan about people adding on their fights (sometimes, sometimes it can be really fun to get adds too), people who don't whine about fg's being overpowered blahblah.

whine never ends, this discussion will never end, even tho its been completely dead and nothing new original has been added for a long time*

*my post included in the boring mass of worthless posts!

 

[kivik]

Ok youngest then? Or maybe rich parents that gave you whatever you wanted. Or you never went to school. Or your favourite kitten was taken from you by the kids up the road and fed to their ferrets.

I dunno, there's just something in what you post that screams "I never learned to play with other kids ".

Not youngest, middle one. Rich parents who don't give me whatever I want. I'm just finishing first year in college. My cat is 15 years and still alive. I've played alot with kids and something I leart about games is fairness.

"Oh my god! Someone not having 'normal' thoughts on adding! I bet he never learned to play with other kids!"

Fuck the normal.

I get upset when i run around solo, get jumped by enemies (even if just one) and have a 'fellow' alb stand next to our fight watching me die. Then the enemy hugs the alb and they do their secret handshake or whatever and part ways.

Kivik and anyone else on that side, you would provoke me by not 'adding' on my fights. Shall i start hurling insults your way then? I'd rather not, to be honest.

There is a very advanced solution for that, it tooks me years to find out!

Don't go out solo if you can't compete solo.

Sadly there is not such a good solution for us soloers. Yes one would be organizing duels on IRC but it's against the CoC and you don't get them same spontaneous fights.

I can live with what it is like in RvR at the moment, but for gods sake expect people to whine aslong as zerging/adding exist in this game.

 

[kivik]

You're basically sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA LA" when people try to point out the facts.

Hm, are you talking about yourself now?

 

[Svartmetall]

Hm, are you talking about yourself now?

Wow. Even 8-year-olds know that comeback is weak. Is that really the best you can do?

 

[Andrilyn]

I've played alot with kids and something I leart about games is fairness.

What's fairness to you? If a rr11 group kills a rr1-3 fg is that fair?
A templated person killing a RoG person is that fair?
A person with all RA's/abilities down getting killed by a person with everything up is that fair?

Please explain to me where the line of fairness is for you as most "leet" people think 1vs8 is fair but 8vs9 is not and tbh I am confused

 

[Svartmetall]

I get upset when i run around solo, get jumped by enemies (even if just one) and have a 'fellow' alb stand next to our fight watching me die. Then the enemy hugs the alb and they do their secret handshake or whatever and part ways.

Yeah, that kind of stuff's complete bullshit. It's tantamount to cross-realming.

 

[noaim]

Yeah, that kind of stuff's complete bullshit. It's tantamount to cross-realming.

No, its perfectly fine and just as much bullshit as adding, so take your own advice and like the fact that it is a way of playing and therefor you should respect it.

 

[noaim]

I think you will find its the 8v8'ers who piss and moan son.

That could be related to that an fg doesnt really ruin zerg rvr the way a zerg or adds can ruin fg rvr.

 

[Gilbride]

So from when you started this game you played purely for fg fights? Bollox did you. I guarantee that for a significant time you played the game purely for fun and enjoyed the zergs in rvr. Then at some point you changed what you wanted from the game. Maybe that was because you got bored of the zergs and wanted a challenge, maybe it was because you got some rps and discovered IRC... but whatever the reason you changed how you played the game. Many of us didn't. We play it now like we always have. Now the irony is that because YOU chose to change how you approached and played the game and we didn't you now look down your nose at us, calling us zerging lowlifes. I've got no problem that you changed how you approached the game. I fully support your right to prefer fg rvr. But your attitude stinks and makes you sound like a ****.

Yes, I've run with the zergs, when I was lvl 25, back in US Retail beginning. Yes I've even halfway enjoyed it sometimes, but it didn't take very long to realize the entire lack of challenge it presents. Yes, because I chose to change my way of playing, when the opportunity finally presented itself, I realized further what a mindnumbingly boring play zerging is. And looking back, I still can't quite see the fun I ever saw in it. I never said I would tell anyone else not to zerg, altho I know for myself that I have on several occasions done so, but rather in a manner as to suggest it, not say "Play like me or you suck". As alot of people say, defending their way of playing, whatever it is, and it still holds as true as ever is, I don't pay someone elses subscription, and they don't pay mine, so however much either side whines, it's their own decision to make all the same. As for my attitude, it's not zergerfriendly, it hasn't been for veeeery long. It's not really something that's changed through the years of DAoC, I've got a competitive gaming-history before DAoC. There's a challenge to fighting multiple groups with just one group too, it's a damn egoboost walking out of there alive with whatever amount of groups you just fought lying dead around you. However, I still believe in the competitive perspective of fairness that the 8vs8-community advocates, and find it equally, if not more so, fun to beat a group I know very well might kick our asses as much as we could do them, without the aid of numbers.

So I don't see the fun in running around like a mindnumbingly boring flock of sheep. Guess that's my flaw.

 

[Raven]

It's tantamount to cross-realming.

no its not, its just some people, who, shock horror! dont play the way you think the game should be played, dont prioritise RPs over fun. if i see a hib having a 1v1 i wont join in if they are losing, why should i ruin someone elses experience of the game (the alb or mid) just for a few RPs, i wouldnt get any fun out of it, neither would the victim, it would just mean i get a few RPs.

if you lose all the time take a step back and see whats wrong, be it spec, template or strategy, then improve, not expect someone to carry you.

some people play for RPs some for a challenge and some fun, we have to share the same server, i think its about time everyone stopped bickering and just played the way they like, ignoring what the idiots who take it to seriously think, a war lol, go and read the papers and see whats going on in the world, thats war, this is some polygons and text, a game.

no i dont care what it says on the back of the box, the game has evolved in the last few years into something different. MMOs are made by the community not a few quick quotes on the back of a CD case.

Play how you like, have an opinion on others playstyle, but dont try and force them into playing your way, get over the fact that not everyone enjoys zerging and some of us actually get along with people from the other realms.

 

[Raven]

No, its perfectly fine and just as much bullshit as adding, so take your own advice and like the fact that it is a way of playing and therefor you should respect it.

thing is though, your group does add on 1v1's most of the time and zergs down soloers so whats the difference between you and the zergers? you can say omg mates they were like in the same zone as us, they would have added on us if we hadnt of zerged them down!!!11! but so can the zergs about you "adding" on zerg v zerg fights.

 

[ebenezer]

Yes, I've run with the zergs, when I was lvl 25, back in US Retail beginning. Yes I've even halfway enjoyed it sometimes, but it didn't take very long to realize the entire lack of challenge it presents. Yes, because I chose to change my way of playing, when the opportunity finally presented itself, I realized further what a mindnumbingly boring play zerging is. And looking back, I still can't quite see the fun I ever saw in it. I never said I would tell anyone else not to zerg, altho I know for myself that I have on several occasions done so, but rather in a manner as to suggest it, not say "Play like me or you suck". As alot of people say, defending their way of playing, whatever it is, and it still holds as true as ever is, I don't pay someone elses subscription, and they don't pay mine, so however much either side whines, it's their own decision to make all the same. As for my attitude, it's not zergerfriendly, it hasn't been for veeeery long. It's not really something that's changed through the years of DAoC, I've got a competitive gaming-history before DAoC. There's a challenge to fighting multiple groups with just one group too, it's a damn egoboost walking out of there alive with whatever amount of groups you just fought lying dead around you. However, I still believe in the competitive perspective of fairness that the 8vs8-community advocates, and find it equally, if not more so, fun to beat a group I know very well might kick our asses as much as we could do them, without the aid of numbers.

So I don't see the fun in running around like a mindnumbingly boring flock of sheep. Guess that's my flaw.

No ur flaw is that you been on the other side and still can manage zero objectiveness
I would understand someone talking like you and allready from day one set out to level his characters..avoid all contact with players zerging back then, get ur alt kitted for fg rvr and nothing else. Cause then you would have no understanding of the other side. But here you are , been playing exactly the same, and can muster not an ounce of understanding for the side you used to be on..i find that a bit wierd;S
How can you ever judge someone elses playstyle, and why would you? You dont have to like it, but thats another thing.
over and out..

 

[Gilbride]

Could turn that around and say, because I've been in the other camp, I've got actual experience in the area and can make a more educated comment on it, but since it's all opinions, that's quite hard ;o No, I do not muster an ounce of understanding for the playstyle, I can't see how it could possibly be fun, especially after the game's been out so long. Competitive play w/o competition is only fun for so long.

It would be great fun if everyone would just lay off the zerging, but it's not something that's ever gonna happen, but due to the continous discussions on the subject, more people respect peoples desires to have their fair fights in the frontiers, so obviously these discussions are helping us, 'cept for those as stubborn as ourselves, when it comes to maintaining what they consider their playstyle. O'course it's all whining, from every camp, but people still read and comment, and some things take hold one way or the other.

As for my lack of compassion for the different playstyle, that has its own reasons.

 

[Bracken]

It would be great fun if everyone would just lay off the zerging

So unless everyone plays the same then it isn't fun? Has it ever occurred to you that there is room for all play types in this game, and that all that's needed is for each to use their brains in seeking their own form of fun. Don't like zerging? Then don't go where the f*cking zergs are. I don't go to Agramon. Why? Because I respect it as a fg area and have absolutely no interest in that playstyle (even though I did for a while a couple of years ago I disliked the attitudes it brought out in me and others). If I didn't want to play with the zergers I wouldn't go anywhere near keeps, towers, iRvR zones or the routes in between. I'd go to Agramon and encourage other fg'ers to do the same. But it seems for some people that's just too f*cking obvious.

 

[Gilbride]

Reading what we want to read much? Yes, it would be great fun if it was all 8 man roaming groups, imo, but as said, that wouldn't realistically happen ever, not a chance. But if you want to read that as "OH EM GEE PLAY MY WAY!" then fine, there's no point in holding a discussion.

 

[noaim]

thing is though, your group does add on 1v1's most of the time and zergs down soloers so whats the difference between you and the zergers? you can say omg mates they were like in the same zone as us, they would have added on us if we hadnt of zerged them down!!!11! but so can the zergs about you "adding" on zerg v zerg fights.

Yeah? What does that have to do with anything? We expect soloers to add on us and we´ll kill them if we dont know them.

 

[Levin]

There is a very advanced solution for that, it tooks me years to find out!

Don't go out solo if you can't compete solo.

I reserve my right to rvr even if i have no friends around to join me or tbh if i just feel like running alone. The difference is; when i get ganked and have some stranger from my own realm watch me die, i don't insult people. I tighten my fist in frustration, shrug it off, and move on.

We play in an environment where there are tons of different views on how to have the most fun. Some of those play styles risk clashing with others and all we can do is shrug and keep trying to find those perfect moments of thrill - without spewing gall over those beside us trying to do the same thing. If you're going to say that you have a right to do that, but others do not - we might as well give up on this discussion now because neither side will ever convince the other.

 

[Raven]

Yeah? What does that have to do with anything? We expect soloers to add on us and we´ll kill them if we dont know them.

zergers expect you to "add" on them so they kill you...see no difference, but the zergers dont feel the need to complain about it. people in glass houses should not throw stones, you yourself are an adding zerger by your own definition so stop complaining that others do the same to you.

 

[censi]

Yeah? What does that have to do with anything? We expect soloers to add on us and we´ll kill them if we dont know them.

ive left your fights well alone but tbh u always steamroller me, mid fight or whatever.

its cool though its war.

 

[noaim]

zergers expect you to "add" on them so they kill you...see no difference, but the zergers dont feel the need to complain about it. people in glass houses should not throw stones, you yourself are an adding zerger by your own definition so stop complaining that others do the same to you.

Is this where you are gonna point me to where I said that zergers shouldnt attack us, or complained about them doing so?

 

[noaim]

ive left your fights well alone but tbh u always steamroller me, mid fight or whatever.

its cool though its war.

You have added aswell, and since you are stealther we kinda only notice you when you add. We usually dont stealthlore and scan the area for stealthers to see if there is anyone there not adding before we engage.

 

[kivik]

Wow. Even 8-year-olds know that comeback is weak. Is that really the best you can do?

Wow. Even 5-year-olds know that age-insults are weak. Is that really the best you can do?

What's fairness to you?

First of all I'm not a fgvsfg guy, so can't answer some of you questions.

RR11 vs rr1-3: I know from own experience that the higher RRs do suffer from arrogance and that can be their death. My sb is rr4 yet I think fighting rr7-11 can be fair.

Ability vs No abilities: I normally don't use battler/malice or purge unless my enemy uses some ability, so it evens out. If he doesn't use anything then I don't use anything, usually.

Templated vs RoGs: Don't think I ever see any RoGlord soloers, they tend to stick to zergs I believe, wich I try to avoid.

If you're going to say that you have a right to do that, but others do not

Where exactly did I say that?

The difference between your situation and ours is that you have a working solution.

 

[Raven]

Is this where you are gonna point me to where I said that zergers shouldnt attack us, or complained about them doing so?

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...and when I am in an fg fight and people add, they ruin my fight.

That could be related to that an fg doesnt really ruin zerg rvr the way a zerg or adds can ruin fg rvr.

you do not like adding or zerging, which is fine, neither do a lot of people, but you cant really complain when you do the exact same thing on a different level, i picked you out for no particuler reason, your group has in the past not zerged me down, but thats very rare. there is no real justification in zerging down heavy tanks, archers maybe as they are the usual adders, hardly going to do a lot running in at snail speed on a hero.

it seems a lot of people complain about adds/zergs but are quite happy to do the same, just see the poll on adding to see how blind people are. most people add/zerg in some way or another.

stop zerging down everything you see solo and maybe you wont get so many people "ruining" your FG fights. surely your main CCer has enough experiance to tell classes/people before they just charge in with the mez?

anyway this discussion is going nowhere, some people are happy to add/zerg, some hate adding/zerging, people need to understand that their way of playing isnt everyones way of playing, whether you like it or not with out the diversity this game would not be as fun as it is.

 

[noaim]

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you do not like adding or zerging, which is fine, neither do a lot of people, but you cant really complain when you do the exact same thing on a different level, i picked you out for no particuler reason, your group has in the past not zerged me down, but thats very rare. there is no real justification in zerging down heavy tanks, archers maybe as they are the usual adders, hardly going to do a lot running in at snail speed on a hero.

it seems a lot of people complain about adds/zergs but are quite happy to do the same, just see the poll on adding to see how blind people are. most people add/zerg in some way or another.

stop zerging down everything you see solo and maybe you wont get so many people "ruining" your FG fights. surely your main CCer has enough experiance to tell classes/people before they just charge in with the mez?

I am stating that they ruin our fight, which they do. That is hardly complaining about them doing it, if you cared to read the posts you would understand that.

And ofc our main cc knows what classes etc, but some people we kill because we know they add, some people we kill because we dont like them. You guess where you go?

 

[Raven]

I am stating that they ruin our fight, which they do. That is hardly complaining about them doing it, if you cared to read the posts you would understand that.

and your rr10/11 group ruins fights for solo'ers/mini groups/rog groups, get over it already

You guess where you go?

and i really couldnt care less what some random thinks about me. i play the way i like and will continue to play the way i like, if you dont like it then tough i am afraid.