Some thoughts on 'adding'...

[Edlina]

But as you just stated some poeple have a nack for it and some dont to same etxtent. So doesnt the players that dont have the same nack for it spend some more time to get around to it then? If a "skilled" player that you say have a talent or aquired skills from another game start playing a set group maybe he doesnt need as much time to adjust and learn, but a casual player with no prior pc skills might have to spend a lot of time, just quite obvious to me...
Dont you agree?

Well obviously, that's part of my point, it's not due to the limit in playtime, it's due to the lack of skill (which comes from many different things, and which indeed does take time to obtain) so I guess indirectly it is down to the time you play, but it's also down to how you spend that time a lot, because there are certain scenario'es (sp?) in which you become more skilled at certain aspects of all that the term skill contains in daoc, faster than in other scenario'es. Therefore you cannot say that it's because the set grps plays for too long hours a night, or too many evenings a week, because that's just not true, they don't play times/hours that the majority of daoc players can't manage without it causing problems with the other aspects of their life, or even without increasing their weekly playtime.

So yes, some players need to spend more time to obtain the same amount of skill, but perhaps that's precicely what differentiates some "top players", while other "top players" are that simply because they spend a lot of time on the game?

 

[Bracken]

Then it becomes a prioritization issue.

I think that's exactly what it is. There's not a great deal of skill (as in hand/eye co-ordination) that's required in daoc. What is needed is knowledge, concentration, working as part of a team and maxing out your char. Developing all of those does takes time, but once in place you don't need to play so often to keep it going.

 

[Alan]

Im with Svartmetall on this one.

I've played 8v8 before, Ive tried to solo, Ive got a RR5 (that should shut up most of the whiners)

DAOC is a realm game like Svar says, if you find a nice solo fight or 8v8 then good on you, they are definetly the more fun fights But when someone else hits your target dont go screaming like a spoilt kid "dont add ffs" if you want a game based on 1v1 or 8v8 sod off and play something else.

 

[rawr]

if you want a game based on 1v1 or 8v8 sod off and play something else.

This sort of comment is what is causing the friction.
Players can play whatever game they want and until Mythic enforce restrictions to only participate in one style of RvR, they should still be able to play how they want.

Players can 1v1, 8v8, siege or zerg etc. if they so choose to do.
The key is understanding that not everyone plays the game for the same reasons; therefore, if you are playing in a different style to the majority (1v1, 8v8) you should accept that 'adding' will happen. Players who play for 1v1 will still give the other players within the same 1v1 niche the respect they ask for (same for 8v8).

There is also a difference to venting frustration and giving abuse to someone. The idea is that most of the frustration could probably be solved, if people can learn to accept the world doesn't revolve around them.

 

[Yejorah]

You cant tell me how to play! Play like i tell you to instead!

word.

 

[Alan]

Players can 1v1, 8v8, siege or zerg etc. if they so choose to do.
The key is understanding that not everyone plays the game for the same reasons; therefore, if you are playing in a different style to the majority (1v1, 8v8) you should accept that 'adding' will happen. Players who play for 1v1 will still give the other players within the same 1v1 niche the respect they ask for (same for 8v8).

The key is that 1v1 or 8v8 is fun (i've done it - and if you can find such a fight thats great) but I also understand this game was not designed for 1v1 or 8v8 so you wont see me screaming when other people jump into the fight and those who do are just trying to turn the game into something it was never designed for.

The current rules say that any enemy in the frontier is fair game for anyone.

 

[Alan]

You cant tell me how to play! Play like i tell you to instead!

word.

Very mature

The fact is the way I play is in line with the game rules means nothing ?

 

[rawr]

The key is that 1v1 or 8v8 is fun (i've done it - and if you can find such a fight thats great) but I also understand this game was not designed for 1v1 or 8v8 so you wont see me screaming when other people jump into the fight and those who do are just trying to turn the game into something it was never designed for.

The current rules say that any enemy in the frontier is fair game for anyone.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from; but you must also be able to appreciate that just because the game was not designed intentionally for 1v1 or 8v8, that it should stop players enjoying the game this way.

Going along the lines of this thought, then you should be able to see why suggesting that players turn to another game if they only want 1v1 or 8v8 is a bad idea.

 

[Edlina]

Very mature

The fact is the way I play is in line with the game rules means nothing ?

How is that any less mature than you telling people who play for 1vs1 or 8vs8 to sod off and play another game? The game doesn't state that you have to kill every enemy on sight, therefore the ppl preffering 1on1 or 8vs8 play in line with the game rules too.

Don't throw bricks when you live in a glass house next time.

 

[Alan]

How is that any less mature than you telling people who play for 1vs1 or 8vs8 to sod off and play another game? The game doesn't state that you have to kill every enemy on sight, therefore the ppl preffering 1on1 or 8vs8 play in line with the game rules too.

Don't throw bricks when you live in a glass house next time.

I have nothing against the people who prefer 1v1 or 8v8, its the people who insist that the game must now be played as 1v1 or 8v8 that does my head in if this is what you expect of DAOC then you should go find a different game rather than scream at any other player on the battlefield who dares to hit something you have targeted.

 

[rawr]

I have nothing against the people who prefer 1v1 or 8v8, its the people who insist that the game must now be played as 1v1 or 8v8 that does my head in if this is what you expect of DAOC then you should go find a different game rather than scream at any other player on the battlefield who dares to hit something you have targeted.

Excellent point to raise.

We can all agree that in DAoC (with NF as the scenery), RvR is very much siege orientated. With this in mind; all other styles of play such as zerg, bridge camping, 1v1, 8v8 all hold no grounds with how the game is 'supposed' to be played. However, much like bending your perspective to see that bridge camping is stopping the invaders from attacking your first line of defense; 1v1, 8v8, zerg can be seen as controlling enemy numbers and so forth.

DAoC would have become very boring a long time ago if it did not have the variety of styles it offers, I feel players should open their eyes to this and enjoy the game for what it is; take their chosen style as it comes, as there will always be other players out there looking for the same kind of fun.
It is when players enforce their views on others ('don't add!', 'go play another game!'), that you are restricting players into a lesser variety of RvR.
If there is no variety, there is no RvR imo.

 

[Gahn]

Very mature

The fact is the way I play is in line with the game rules means nothing ?

The fact is the way WE play is in line with the game rules also, my freedom end where your starts etc ...

 

[Gahn]

I have nothing against the people who prefer 1v1 or 8v8, its the people who insist that the game must now be played as 1v1 or 8v8 that does my head in if this is what you expect of DAOC then you should go find a different game rather than scream at any other player on the battlefield who dares to hit something you have targeted.

I really can't understand where lies this incredible trouble that's letting other peeps have their fights instead of charging in screaming "Fer Arthur meights"!!!! there are other "wide" groups out to fight each other, there are other Siegers out there to play with, just let us have our part of fun and we'll let u have yours -.-

 

[Darzil]

1vs1, 8vs8, RvsR are all within the game rules.

Complaining/whining about others doing that isn't within game rules or FH rules. It also isn't nice.

Is there more to it than that ?

I think all that Svart (and Tears) were saying is that if you want GUARANTEED 1vs1 or 8vs8, this isn't the right game. Cos there are no guarantees here.

Darzil

 

[Elrandhir]

I really can't understand where lies this incredible trouble that's letting other peeps have their fights instead of charging in screaming "Fer Arthur meights"!!!! there are other "wide" groups out to fight each other, there are other Siegers out there to play with, just let us have our part of fun and we'll let u have yours -.-

This is respecting eachothers and I think it should be possible, even though you can't expect to never get adds as it is still realm vs realm, and some wont change how they play to please others.

The flaw in many arguments both from the Fair 1vs1, 8 vs 8 and the RvRers etc is that they are more or less only thinking about themself (not all ofcourse), but from more or less every post I read I can see that what I do is how it should be, and I don't have much understanding for others. (Sounds like spoiled brats always thinking they can get it their way when talking tbh)

Somewhat if I cry loud enough mommy will come and give me that cookie (hard comparison, but in some cases this is how it looks tbh)

I just replied to you Gahn because there was something I wanted to reply on, all of my post aint really ment for you'r post ;D

 

[Alan]

The fact is the way WE play is in line with the game rules also, my freedom end where your starts etc ...

You may, but others don't they constantly spew out a barrage of insults and abuse to anyone who dares hit their target, last time I checked this was something they could easily be reported for.

 

[noaim]

But when someone else hits your target dont go screaming like a spoilt kid "dont add ffs" if you want a game based on 1v1 or 8v8 sod off and play something else.

"Dont tell me to fuck off because my way of playing is valid, but you should fuck off, even though your way of playing is also valid."

Lol, funny man.

 

[Alan]

"Dont tell me to fuck off because my way of playing is valid, but you should fuck off, even though your way of playing is also valid."

Lol, funny man.

The way you play is perfectly valid but the way you whine to other players isnt. The manual and information form GoA is perfectly clear on the subject of this so called "adding" - deal with it.

 

[Gondath]

...huh? My post contained no 'whine' whatsoever.

It didn't contain anything *but* whines as far as I could see


Seriously tho, it's fun to see you have these retarded discussions on euro servers too, would been dead boring without them

The sooner you learn to respect that people may have different definitions of fun than yourself, the better (goes both ways obviously)

 

[Levin]

Can't we all just agree that adding or no adding are both valid playstyles according to the rules of the game - and that the thing we want to get rid of is the whines towards those with a different style?

If adders don't whine when no-adders don't add, and no-adders don't whine when adders add, things might be easier for everyone.

 

[Edlina]

The way you play is perfectly valid but the way you whine to other players isnt. The manual and information form GoA is perfectly clear on the subject of this so called "adding" - deal with it.

That goes both ways, but regardless I think just about everyone can agree that saying abusive things to people adding - or to people not doing so - are not okay, asking them politely not to add - or to help out - is certainly fine though. No one here is particularly validating that. It has, to a certain degree at least, to be expected though considering adders "ruin" the valid way some people prefer to play, while running around looking for fgvsfg or 1on1 does not ruin any other kind of playstyle.

 

[evzy]

Jesus I cant be bothered to read 22 pages of whine, reckon I can guess its summed up with the old - stop adding ffs noob qq statement. Someone points out that adding is actually acceptable but whining at people who add isnt. This is followed by more whining. rinse n repeat.

22 pages and we still haven't cured cancer............ what a waste of time

 

[Skaven]

Yeah I add all the time, but i'll also get pissed when ppl add on my kills - yeah its hypocritcal, but I won't go and pm them and say '' omg dude why did you add!'' because its just part of the game. I'll vent for like 1 min to myself then move on. shouting at the screen is one thing, start qqing at the guy and throwing verbal insults at em for adding is another... get some fresh air

 

[Elrandhir]

Can't we all just agree that adding or no adding are both valid playstyles according to the rules of the game - and that the thing we want to get rid of is the whines towards those with a different style?

If adders don't whine when no-adders don't add, and no-adders don't whine when adders add, things might be easier for everyone.

This would be the Logical and best solution, but then there would probably be no more Threads made on FH anymore haha =P

Also as Edlina said, asking someone to not add aint wrong imo, aslong as it's done politely.

 

[Gondath]

Can't we all just agree that adding or no adding are both valid playstyles according to the rules of the game - and that the thing we want to get rid of is the whines towards those with a different style?

If adders don't whine when no-adders don't add, and no-adders don't whine when adders add, things might be easier for everyone.

Then people would have nothing to bitch over... can't have that!

 

[Alan]

Can't we all just agree that adding or no adding are both valid playstyles according to the rules of the game - and that the thing we want to get rid of is the whines towards those with a different style?

:worthy: Wise words :worthy:

 

[Bracken]

Levin wins the discussion

 

[ebenezer]

Can't we all just agree that adding or no adding are both valid playstyles according to the rules of the game - and that the thing we want to get rid of is the whines towards those with a different style?

If adders don't whine when no-adders don't add, and no-adders don't whine when adders add, things might be easier for everyone.

 

[kivik]

If adders don't whine when no-adders don't add, and no-adders don't whine when adders add, things might be easier for everyone.

Sadly not. Can't we all just agree that whine will be used against adders that adds on non-adders?

DO I WIN!?!?!?!


-.-

 

[Alan]

Sadly not. Can't we all just agree that whine will be used against adders that adds on non-adders?

DO I WIN!?!?!?!


-.-

nope, because im not going to keep a list on my wall of people that "dont add" then stop and read it before encountering every fight and clicking on peoples names.

Whine to be used on those that complain about adders
Whine to be used on those that complain about people trying to 1v1 or 8v8