Some thoughts on 'adding'...

ebenezer

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Phake said:
does a game with firewizards with bolts, aoedamage spells, NS, and heavy DDs.. compared to lets say a berzerker look like a game balanced towards siegewarfare/largescale warfare?

yes...cause there are many stages of a siege m8. You dont only stand on a distance...you do get into close combat when finally charging and then the tanks suddenly get very valuable. All fill their task, thats the beauti of it.
 

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Phake said:
does a game with firewizards with bolts, aoedamage spells, NS, and heavy DDs.. compared to lets say a berzerker look like a game balanced towards siegewarfare/largescale warfare?

Yes.

If it was balanced around solo, there would be no AE.

Bolts are irrelevant in fg fights, it's zerg warfare where they can pick targets carefully that they are more effective.

However, it'd have to be said that my submission to Mythic when they ask about changes is always - "Look at all the classes, consider what they can do in solo rvr, group rvr, realm rvr, solo pve, group pve and epic pve. All classes should be effective in one way or another in all of them".

Darzil
 

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MaCaBr3 said:
Yay another "add" thread in which everyting gets repeated for the 1 zillionth time.

Though far less hostility in this one, I think, certainly in these latter pages.

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Darzil said:
Though far less hostility in this one, I think, certainly in these latter pages.

Darzil

Will, I think people are getting more civilized when it come to talking about adding, because they know there is no point in flaming and whining which results into nothing more then another closed thread.
 

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Darzil said:
Yes.

If it was balanced around solo, there would be no AE.

Bolts are irrelevant in fg fights, it's zerg warfare where they can pick targets carefully that they are more effective.

However, it'd have to be said that my submission to Mythic when they ask about changes is always - "Look at all the classes, consider what they can do in solo rvr, group rvr, realm rvr, solo pve, group pve and epic pve. All classes should be effective in one way or another in all of them".

Darzil

ooh bolts are irrelevant in FG fights? .. hehe .. ok .. something new for me .. i learn something everyday! :] .. seriously bolts pwn in FG fights .. hehe ..

but to get back to track the Adding is what we are talking about .. and yes as i previously posted FGs adding on other FGs is pathetic imo .. coz they are kinda fucking up their own playstyle :p .. hehe ..and thats the only adding i dislike ... and i do dislike it alot tbh :p .. haha .. silly me ..
 

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MaCaBr3 said:
Will, I think people are getting more civilized when it come to talking about adding, because they know there is no point in flaming and whining which results into nothing more then another closed thread.

or maybe some ppl actually have some decent views on adding .. and can share them with others in a civilized manner :p
 

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Phake said:
your quite right about that .. :p haha .. comparison with the card game was rather good .. though times square wassent :p .. HOhoHO :p ..
hehe it was an ACE comparison! And btw..you didnt answer my question in that post:p
 

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try playing some freeshard and doing 1v1 instances, gets so extremely boring after a while. same with crau area, when everyone just sits in a circle and some people fight now and then it completely bores the shit out of me ;/

way more fun if its "spontanious duels", also called playing daoc "the way its meant to be played". and still, adds are frustrating. odd. :p
Excellent point, I feel this is one of the best reasons that players should accept that they are part of a niche, in a greater whole.
When I am on my Infil I like to solo, when I am on my visual characters I enjoy fg fights when I find them and respect people that do not want adds, aswell as enjoying other parts of RvR; stand-offs, epic zerg, siege, all choices in moderation.
I enjoy 1v1 fights on my Infil; however, I realised early that my choice of how to play the game does not work well if you are separating yourself from the rest of the game. This is the very same reason that I never travelled to the 'solo zone', even though I am signed up. I very much prefer the spontaneous aspect and feel that separating yourself from the rest of the game is a bad idea.

Everything is good in moderation :)

If you accept this point then you will hopefully find the game more enjoyable and less frustrating, rather than feeling you must obey to different sets of rules. Play how you want and accept that others are doing the same too. From what I understand, it seems as though members of different playstyles do not feel like they are being respected from others; but are being asked to respect them. This is a point that could be discussed; however, respect cannot be asked for, for example, if a group of 8v8 that request add-free fights go ahead and kill 1v1 fights because they are a threat to their fights. Personally I have never attacked any groups while on my stealther, and never added on an obvious 8v8 fight whilst on my visual characters (intentionally), in fact I once ran away from a mid group as they were engaging a hib group; they still chase after me (more speed) and kill me, whilst engaged with the hib group. This was a high ranked mid group that wanted fair 8v8 fights btw, just because someone respects your wishes should not make them automatic rp-fodder. Selective hypocrisy is sickening; I feel the best way to get what you want comes from one of these choices:
- Accepting the game for what it is and stop complaining (adds).
- Make a global name for yourself, where you request fair fights and not be hypocrites.

Since I honestly do not think hypocrisy will ever stop, it would be the best choice to accept the former option rather than the latter.
This would mean you will get adds while fighting 8v8 (unless in Agramon) but you can also do whatever you want. If you preach that you only want 8v8, good luck; however, if you then kill people with uneven numbers yourself, you are hypocrites.
 

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kivik said:
Because I'm not playing it that way?


Then you have to accept that other people are and your way of playing is just another way and not the only way and therefore not everyone will be playing it how you like it.
 

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rure said:
I'll continue my crusade versus people who compare computer games with wars. For those of you that still are doing these comparisons; how on earth can you not differentiate the very basic differences/consequences between a computer game and a war? Please start thinking.

read what mythic promotes this game as "WAR" so it is war in a virtual world its just some of us see it for what it is "a game in which a war is being waged where the participants are controlled by people outside the game" as long as people don't see RL in it what is the harm?.
i think people who see this as the ultimate my e-peen rr is more than your but i'm so elite now i just want to fight those whose e-peens exceeds or tries to exceeds mine. you will play the game as i feel it should be run are the people who are bringing this game to its "end". so casual gamers are only farmers and should know the elite groups out there he shouldn't add on? and not another group of casual gamers who are constanly being farmed by RR20 ml15 cl10 hardcore gamers who only want to be the "best of teh best" ?
sorry thats not the game i subscribe to i play to enjoy myself and to play how the situation arises add if i deem it ,solo if i'm in the mood or join with my friends/guildies and go with the flow.
 

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Behmoth said:
read what mythic promotes this game as "WAR" so it is war in a virtual world its just some of us see it for what it is "a game in which a war is being waged where the participants are controlled by people outside the game" as long as people don't see RL in it what is the harm?.
i think people who see this as the ultimate my e-peen rr is more than your but i'm so elite now i just want to fight those whose e-peens exceeds or tries to exceeds mine. you will play the game as i feel it should be run are the people who are bringing this game to its "end". so casual gamers are only farmers and should know the elite groups out there he shouldn't add on? and not another group of casual gamers who are constanly being farmed by RR20 ml15 cl10 hardcore gamers who only want to be the "best of teh best" ?
sorry thats not the game i subscribe to i play to enjoy myself and to play how the situation arises add if i deem it ,solo if i'm in the mood or join with my friends/guildies and go with the flow.

Hey Behmoth. I may be seeing you at twickers! Just hope you dont get the mighty red vee in the semis :D
 

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Svartmetall said:
It's war. It's not Realm Team Deathmatch, it's not Realm 1v1 Tournament Deathmatch, it's a 3-way Realm War. There is no such thing as 'adding'; it's just a term invented by people who wanted to jealousy cling to 'their' RPs. Every single enemy is fair game. All the time. Everywhere. I've always found it interesting that the people who whine the loudest about 'adding' are often the same people who are first to sneer 'someone died in an RvR zone' at anyone they don't consider part of their own little l337 clique.
Which is more than a little bit hypocritical.

You want guaranteed 1v1? Play Quake Tournament Deathmatch.
You want guaranteed 8v8? Play Quake Team Deathmatch.
You want war? Play DAOC.

A bunch of l337-kiddies will probably now leap in and flame me to death for saying this (oh noes, I only have one RR5 toon so far, how could I possibly know anything about the game?), but those are that facts. You can splutter in indignation all you want, but those are the facts.

DAOC is not a 1v1 game.
DAOC is not an 8v8 game.
DAOC is a realm war game.

If you want to try and have 1v1 or 8v8 fights in DAOC, fine, great, more power to you. But the game isn't set up for that, so don't whine if an enemy of your enemy helps kill your enemy. If your FG is fighting an enemy FG and more of either side or the third side piles on, oh well. Deal with it. It happens, and it's going to keep on happening...because that's how the RvR part of this game is set up.

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Quick tip: if you want a 1v1 - or even an 8v8 - fight with someone with no chance of someone adding, do it down in the southern end of the Irish Sea. No bugger ever goes there, and the chances of you getting 'added on' are about as great as the chances of George Bush using a five-syllable word (and knowing what it means).

Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else.


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Hey there,

You are ever so right in your opinion. I really think it is nice of you to stand up for your view of RvR like i have done myself several times.

Adding is a word invented by ppl who have fun in having private enemies with whom they want to fight in front of others without anybody interferring.

Correct term is victory through superior "firepower".

If the specialists, or elitists or whatever we should call them would stick to the Irish sea, to Agramon or where ever the ones of our kind, which i call normal players go. They would have no problems, but as you kindly point out, they expect to be able to have their own boxing ring just near brynja bridge or near berkstead or whatever.

There is nothing to do about it, they call us rediculus fools, but they act in the same way towards us.

Have fun and hope you save my life in RvR, if you dont add, i will flame you and call you a coward, a stitch or accuse you of beeing a noob that was too slow on the trigger ;)

Best regards

Vonwar
 

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noaim said:
I dont complain if people like you who doesnt claim not to add, adds. I dont complain if we get adds at a bridge, tower or keep either (or well I do, but only to the driver for going there, and if he does it again I usually log) so I dont see where the hypocrisy comes in. There is a reason to why I dont wanna play when its iRvR etc.

If that's the case then we don't disagree - it just came across that you were. I can fully understand complaints between fg'ers when groups are claiming not to add but do - it's when the rest of us who are just playing the game like we always have get caught up in the bitching it gets on my tits.
 

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Bracken said:
If that's the case then we don't disagree - it just came across that you were. I can fully understand complaints between fg'ers when groups are claiming not to add but do - it's when the rest of us who are just playing the game like we always have get caught up in the bitching it gets on my tits.

And I can understand that it does, you shouldnt need to run in an opted fg just to rvr. Ofc I would prefer if people didnt add when we have a good fight, and add all they want when we are fighting a clearly weaker grp, but that is just wishful thinking. People that claim not to add then adds anyways are what annoys me though.
 

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Cadiva said:
Then you have to accept that other people are and your way of playing is just another way and not the only way and therefore not everyone will be playing it how you like it.

Great, then I hope people accept that I whine when they provoke me.
 

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Have never been able to understand why people whine over a game, I do it sometimes maby in guild and mostly as a joke then, but I have never once PMed anyone or anything else for doing whatever ;D

People whining usually makes me laugh though, so in a way I guess it's cool as it's rather entertaining =P

I guess the game would be rather boring though if everyone was as me, because then there wouldent be any whines, and they are as I said rather entertaining to watch sometimes tbh ;D
 

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kivik said:
Great, then I hope people accept that I whine when they provoke me.


hihi kiv kiv:p We have been through this before. Majority isnt provoking you. For me provoking is something you do on purpose( correct me on the word if im wrong:). And im quite sure people dont do it on purpose, though the result for you might be the same since you just get angry when you get an add no matter how what when it happends:p
I dont know how you tick, but i dont get angry at people for doing something they arent even aware of:) Then again you might have many enemies that you provoked and they now provoke you on purpose. I dont know^^
Im just trying to help you get through this without a vein bursting or ur heart exploding, its not good for you:p
Deep breath...think of happy place...and then rush out into battle again!:p
Hugs.
 

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ebenezer said:
hihi kiv kiv:p We have been through this before. Majority isnt provoking you. For me provoking is something you do on purpose( correct me on the word if im wrong:). And im quite sure people dont do it on purpose, though the result for you might be the same since you just get angry when you get an add no matter how what when it happends:p
I dont know how you tick, but i dont get angry at people for doing something they arent even aware of:) Then again you might have many enemies that you provoked and they now provoke you on purpose. I dont know^^
Im just trying to help you get through this without a vein bursting or ur heart exploding, its not good for you:p
Deep breath...think of happy place...and then rush out into battle again!:p
Hugs.

Well doesn't matter if they intend to do it or not, it's a provoke, and most of the people are well aware of it.

They are spoiling my fun over and over again, they are really asking me to yell 'fuck you idiots' at them.

I normally don't start to whine/abuse, and I try to avoid it. But sometimes it just comes out of me, mostly when the same person adds/zergs me several and if I've talked to that person before.
 

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Elrandhir said:
Have never been able to understand why people whine over a game,

Whining when losing or when things are not going your way is human, it's simple as that.
 

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kivik said:
Whining when losing or when things are not going your way is human, it's simple as that.

the difference in how some poeple handle it is staggering though:p
 

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kivik said:
Well doesn't matter if they intend to do it or not, it's a provoke, and most of the people are well aware of it.

They are spoiling my fun over and over again, they are really asking me to yell 'fuck you idiots' at them.

kivik said:
Whining when losing or when things are not going your way is human, it's simple as that.



Just out of interest, are you an only-child? ;)
 

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kivik said:
Great, then I hope people accept that I whine when they provoke me.

Sadly not, as has been said time and time again both officially through the GoA reps (Requiel) and through the CoC on Freddys and through the way the game is designed - there is no such thing as adding - therefore your whinge has no basis as 'provocation'.

/em simply playing Devi''s Advocate.
 

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Bracken said:
Just out of interest, are you an only-child? ;)

No.


Cadiva said:
Sadly not, as has been said time and time again both officially through the GoA reps (Requiel) and through the CoC on Freddys and through the way the game is designed - there is no such thing as adding - therefore your whinge has no basis as 'provocation'.

/em simply playing Devi''s Advocate.

Umm, yes there is such thing as adding, maybe known as 'helping your realm in times of war' for you. To be honest I don't give a shit about what FH CoC says about adding. Not sure whar Requiel has said but the game might have been designed one way, but the players make it another way.


So yes, my whine has basis as 'provocation'. Just watch every whiner here, do you think they do it for fun or because they are happy? It's pretty obvious that they are provoked.
 

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kivik said:

Ok youngest then? Or maybe rich parents that gave you whatever you wanted. Or you never went to school. Or your favourite kitten was taken from you by the kids up the road and fed to their ferrets.

I dunno, there's just something in what you post that screams "I never learned to play with other kids ".

:fluffle:
 

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kivik said:
To be honest I don't give a shit about what FH CoC says about adding
The instant you say that, you give up any right to whine when others don't play the game the same way you want to. Because the way you apparently want to play the game is not the way the game is set up. You can say you don't care how it was set up, but that's your problem, not anybody else's. You're basically sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA LA" when people try to point out the facts.
 

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Svartmetall said:
is not the way the game is set up. You can say you don't care how it was set up, but that's your problem, not anybody else's. You're basically sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA LA" when people try to point out the facts.

How many times does this have to be said for people to understand it? This, being an MMORPG, is not entirely up to the "design" of the game, but rather the playercommunity has a large impact on "how the game's supposed to be played".

Not saying I agree entirely w/ kivik, altho to a large extent I expect I do, regardless however, Svartmetall, your "facts" are not worth much when it comes to the playing of the game, because, as the box reads: gaming experience may change during play.

So your war is another persons game, and to be honest, some people play for the challenge, and believe in offering the equal opportunity of a challenge to their opponent, rather than charging the rps for the realm!

To explain my position a bit further, I do not play for a realm, I play for my personal enjoyment, which is to have fun, challenging fights and gauging my "skills" against others. I will never agree w/ zerging lowlife, and I'll never understand how they can enjoy their playstyle, but as I'm entitled to piss and moan about them, it wouldn't be more than fair for them to piss and moan about us, which they do, quite frequently too.
 

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Right now I agree with Svart completely, because from how I see it he is just saying that anyone can play how they like and not saying that anyone should play in some way, like those that want 1 vs 1 etc usually do.

I like all aspects of the game really and I know there are many ways of playing the game and thats why I don't complain on whetever anyone else do, even if there is ofcourse those who will add instead of help, and when saying that I mean that they know they add and are just doig this for the RP's, when that happens it is imo Adding in a bad way.

But then there are also those who kills whatever because it's the way they want to play, like a realm and kill everything from the other realm, without careing about the RP's and that is okay.

When it's adding (When you'r only really doing it for you'r own benefit)
Helping (Not careing about RP's really, But want to play the game as RvR)

Hard to tell these apart though from seeing it, although sometimes you do and then I also think those playing only for the RP's are just lame.

In the End anyone can play however they like and it wont really bother me much.

Have to say that Kiviks arguments even though I understand what hes saying is abit narrowsighted.
 

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