Some thoughts on 'adding'...

[ebenezer]

No just no, DAoC is a game, it's not the same as real life. But if you still think you are right I would like to see you take up some examples about adder morals, comparing them with real life. It's simple, you almost never act the same way in this game as you would in real life.



There are no rules that a player should follow and respect when he joins the game, he creates is own. You can do that, but you can't expect everyone to follow your rules.



Well I'm sure you all played the same way? Because if someone didn't like the way you played he would play together will other likeminded people, something wich is not possible in DAoC.




Maybe not, not like you will get away using the same kind of provoking in a situation in real life, similar to add/zerg situations in DAoC.

I've once abused and even hit a guy in a group wich strangely had a similar attitude to some zerg/add people in this game. Their group were somewhat terrorizing our school, they blackmailed other pupils and sometimes beat them up if they did not pay. When they came to me to do that I directly opposed them, insulted them and hit one of them, yes I got totally beaten up. But it was well worth it, they did stop doing such stuff around our school. I do not ask you to, nor do I expect you to believe it, but it's true. Felt I had to mention it.

hihi...always fun debating with you kiv. You missunderstand half and forget what you said just before
First of all yes you can compare some situasions in daoc. Im not talking about comparing the game with rl silly boy!( yes you can reply with saying silly old man) Im talkin about comparing certain situasions and interaction between human beings...they are sometimes the same if your not roleplaying 100% of the time...which im sure you dont Also whats that ur saying about not acting in game as you do in rl??? Im the same...your not?? Who are you playing then? kivik the angry asassin? or the role of harry the horny hunter?? I know many people luckely that are the same in game( atitudewise, and moraly when interacting with other people) Otherwise i wouldnt get to knowem or be friends with them
please dont missunderstand me( which you might do) im not saying that i go around choping people up in rl...its not that kind of comparison Read up and then comment hihi.

also...your saying its not possible to play together with likeminded people???? what the heck is that supposed to mean lol? i play a lot with like minded people...dont understand what you mean at al, so please epxplain that

Last...you said urself you cant compare rl with daoc..yet you urself end with a comparison about beating a guy in rl
Ow well...another fun kiv/ebe discussion were half get missunderstood and always ending with both having different opinions
over and out..

 

[kivik]

i have seen that, people from the same vent channel whining to others in different channel for adding. realy lame imo because its no rules against adding.

Not like there are any rules about no whining.

Thats is REALY anoying and its cross realming from my side so i never do it.

Hm well you are not alone not knowing the meaning about crossrealming.

Crossrealming means that you steal 'secret' information from one realm so another realm can take advantage of the information. For example when a midgard player join the albion RR BG with some alt on albion and pass information about movements, targets and such to mids through msn/irc/vent etc.

 

[ebenezer]

Not like there are any rules about no whining.



Hm well you are not alone not knowing the meaning about crossrealming.

Crossrealming means that you steal 'secret' information from one realm so another realm can take advantage of the information. For example when a midgard player join the albion RR BG with some alt on albion and pass information about movements, targets and such to mids through msn/irc/vent etc.

well people that play in different realms crossrealm on vent all the time also kiv

 

[kivik]

hihi...always fun debating with you kiv. You missunderstand half and forget what you said just before
First of all yes you can compare some situasions in daoc. Im not talking about comparing the game with rl silly boy!( yes you can reply with saying silly old man) Im talkin about comparing certain situasions and interaction between human beings...they are sometimes the same if your not roleplaying 100% of the time...which im sure you dont Also whats that ur saying about not acting in game as you do in rl??? Im the same...your not?? Who are you playing then? kivik the angry asassin? or the role of harry the horny hunter?? I know many people luckely that are the same in game( atitudewise, and moraly when interacting with other people) Otherwise i wouldnt get to knowem or be friends with them
please dont missunderstand me( which you might do) im not saying that i go around choping people up in rl...its not that kind of comparison Read up and then comment hihi.

also...your saying its not possible to play together with likeminded people???? what the heck is that supposed to mean lol? i play a lot with like minded people...dont understand what you mean at al, so please epxplain that

Last...you said urself you cant compare rl with daoc..yet you urself end with a comparison about beating a guy in rl
Ow well...another fun kiv/ebe discussion were half get missunderstood and always ending with both having different opinions
over and out..

Gah I blame you poor spacings for all the misunderstanding!

When I mean I don't act the same in this game as I do in RL, I simply mean that I sometimes will insult someone like I normally wouldn't have done. Other than that I act pretty much the same

And to that likeminded people part. I meant that all of you playing there in the painball arena must have been likeminded, if you weren't I'm sure those who did not like that way you were playing would go find some other likeminded and play with them, messy!

Alright, somtimes it works to compare RL and DAoC.

Heck, soon you will be talking about me comparing paintball with DAoC and insulting likeminded while I'm blabbering about adders/zergers act the same in IRL as I would do in-game

 

[Phake]

its a bit more complicated then just saying that one side respect the other side and the other not them back. First of all this whole discussion started way back when insults started whissling past players in rvr. i remember my first insult was from Lorfo long ago. i was in frontier during a raid and the raid past a tower and we all suddenly heard. FO lesser players....this is our tower
Didnt think too much at it at this point but after a few months i suddenly heard some more players that had similar abuse from other players when crossing bridges etc. slowly but steady the subculture of "fair" fights started to be more vocal and express their frustration at every oportunity. not all ofc...just the most vocal and frustrated ones. This in time started more and more discussions here and slowly created two distinct camps in daoc. And the casuals in between that couldnt care less about any of it So what you gotta realise here is that people have been playign it in another way from day one...and then suddenly get abused for something that to them is their way of what this game is. Now they didnt start disrespecting anyone by purpose. They didnt even know they were doing it. the disrepect started from the abusers...and if they wouldnt have started that, then maybe we wouldnt have this situasion at all today. Start abusing someone for something so silly as am opinion in a game...and you get nowhere with that human being after that. Its just common sense, that relationship is beyond repair.
The " other camp" with "zergers" and "adders" will never respect people that abused them in the first place. Also you say here that respect only goes one way. I would like to say that only one side really cares about it the casual players and players that play the game the way it was in beginning and have no intrest to discuss this doesnt even involve themself in this. they just keep on playing it with their friends the same way they always had.

If you buy a product, which this game is. its a game you buy for ur own money and do with it how you like. except for a few rules that comes with it, lets say you buy another computer game, and a guy you invited over plays it with you. You tell him how you play the game. he suddenly burst out: what...you cant play it like that!!!...thats not fair!...you have to understand that my way of playing it is the right and fair way! would you listen to him and change ur playstyle though you bought the game and you play how you like? i think not. Poeple in this game often forget that This game is a product everyone pays for them self. its thiers. And there is nothing anyone else can do about it. When they sit down and start playing this game they dont have in mind to ruin for anyone else or to play for someone elses sake....darn they just wanna spend some time relaxing and play a feckin game they bought in the pc shop. not have to listen to some abusive people that tries to bully themself into their living room.
The key words: GAME......NO ABUSE......PLAY HOW YOU LIKE...think about those and you realise how far off you are.
over and out..

My quote didnt mean this whol post was directed to you btw, just hijacked that to adresss a few things

Woopidoop :] .. yea i actually agree with some things you are saying .. that is if the reality would look like what u describe :] .. anyways .. from my experience the adders that we have come across over the years has been really unfriendly at some times .. and at the beginning when we started to run with asylum we said to the groups/ppl adding to plz stop dooing it etc .. with no abuse at all etc ... and sometimes u get ppl saying sry etc .. and sometimes there would come a FO ...

lately after NF was released sometime happend to the ppl who likes adding .. they somehow think these days thats its ok to fuck ppl over .. .. (after all its humans behind the computers) .. and blame their bad conduct on whatever reason .. imo its just bad behaviour towards other ppl ..

ofcuz i realize that this is a computer game .. im not totally stupid .. but i also realize that some ppl play this computer game for the competition .. and if that element is eliminated for them their time and money goes to waste .. and the only way to really get around this problem is for the adders not to add .. though that wont be possible .. so the discussion really ends there .. we who like the FG fights and the competition could atleast get something more validated response than, Elitist pigs, irc nerds, l33t boys, i pay my sub shit all the time.. when trying to explain our point of view.

well atleast some ppl are giving informative views like yourself on this matter..

anyways .. as said b4 .. PEACE is better than WAR! :]

 

[Cadiva]

No I don't like the way the game was set up to, it sucks. And that's why I'm playing my own way, and will whine on someone who provokes me, I would do the same if I was an adder/zerger and got provoked. But I usually try to just talk to them, but I'm unormally answered with the oh so original "OMG/ROFL IT'S RVR!", wich makes it kinda pointless.

I am tempted to ask why are you playing it then, given you didn't like the fact it was set up from the start as a three way massive conflict?

 

[ebenezer]

Woopidoop :] .. yea i actually agree with some things you are saying .. that is if the reality would look like what u describe :] .. anyways .. from my experience the adders that we have come across over the years has been really unfriendly at some times .. and at the beginning when we started to run with asylum we said to the groups/ppl adding to plz stop dooing it etc .. with no abuse at all etc ... and sometimes u get ppl saying sry etc .. and sometimes there would come a FO ...

lately after NF was released sometime happend to the ppl who likes adding .. they somehow think these days thats its ok to fuck ppl over .. .. (after all its humans behind the computers) .. and blame their bad conduct on whatever reason .. imo its just bad behaviour towards other ppl ..

ofcuz i realize that this is a computer game .. im not totally stupid .. but i also realize that some ppl play this computer game for the competition .. and if that element is eliminated for them their time and money goes to waste .. and the only way to really get around this problem is for the adders not to add .. though that wont be possible .. so the discussion really ends there .. we who like the FG fights and the competition could atleast get something more validated response than, Elitist pigs, irc nerds, l33t boys, i pay my sub shit all the time.. when trying to explain our point of view.

well atleast some ppl are giving informative views like yourself on this matter..

anyways .. as said b4 .. PEACE is better than WAR! :]

yepp...i can understand that people have got abused from other side as well. Im sure there exist rotten apples in both camps.
And yeh..about me trying to be informative etc. im actually not on any side. i play solo most of time on hero. but i do it for me and not to gain respect nor for being on any side. reason i end up defending the "zergy" side a lot is cause i find that many times the "leet" side is a bit more intolerable and actually dont have the game enviroment on their side. I think everyone can play as they want...
And also about the solution to the problem. there have been efforts from both sides that havent worked, For us that solo the zone was brought to life. And for fg action agramon was...for some reason this doesnt seem to work, and the fg/solo people tend to actually want to go to the zergy areas but STILL get angry when they get adds and whine...something i would never do. get anoyed and whine to friends etc yes...but no write a whole thread here or abuse someone over it. Anyways..as it seems it cannot be solved. So...accept and go on i would say
over and out..

 

[snushanen]

Not like there are any rules about no whining.



Hm well you are not alone not knowing the meaning about crossrealming.

Crossrealming means that you steal 'secret' information from one realm so another realm can take advantage of the information. For example when a midgard player join the albion RR BG with some alt on albion and pass information about movements, targets and such to mids through msn/irc/vent etc.

yes you are right there, and thats a very good example of cross realming.
and yes correct, there are no rules saying its illegal to whine, IF its no harrasment or
abusing languange etc (fcing adding tard is an example on "illegal whine" )

but i disagree with you when you say i dont know the meaning of crossrealming. I dont know for sure but I would think (in GOAs eyes, and their word is the law) that comunication between 2 persons playing 2 different realms in form of the programs you mentioned, is to be concidered cross realming.

(If a GM just happens to see this thread, feel free to confirm or reject my theory )

 

[Bracken]

and the only way to really get around this problem is for the adders not to add ..

Well seeing as people have every right to "add" then no that isn't the solution. Playing it as realm v realm (ie adding) is totally legitimate, as is fg or solo - and this is supported by the CoC which prevents people getting abuse. The solution is for people of all playstyles to accept others right to do the same - even when that conflicts with their own preference. You might get frustrated by that but if you choose to play the game in a specific way you have to accept that there will be times when it just doesn't happen like that. If you politely ask someone not to add then they are still perfectly entitled to do so, though they are more likely not to than if they get abused for adding - likewise what they can't do is give you abuse just for asking.

 

[Zebolt]

Wow! What a well-thought-out and reasoned argument by way of response!

I'm not trying to reason or make arguments mate. It's pointless, you showed how clueless you are in the first post. Yes, you're tired of the so called leet ppl, we get it. Now get over it!

 

[raid]

Such stereotypes again... I prefer 8v8, I use IRC etc "symptons" but still I'm as far from 1337 as it gets.

 

[Phake]

Such stereotypes again... I prefer 8v8, I use IRC etc "symptons" but still I'm as far from 1337 as it gets.

Yes you are ... you need to wear Y-front to be really 1337! ...:wub:

 

[kivik]

I am tempted to ask why are you playing it then, given you didn't like the fact it was set up from the start as a three way massive conflict?

Because I'm not playing it that way?

 

[Eeben]

It's war. It's not Realm Team Deathmatch, it's not Realm 1v1 Tournament Deathmatch, it's a 3-way Realm War. There is no such thing as 'adding'; it's just a term invented by people who wanted to jealousy cling to 'their' RPs. Every single enemy is fair game. All the time. Everywhere. I've always found it interesting that the people who whine the loudest about 'adding' are often the same people who are first to sneer 'someone died in an RvR zone' at anyone they don't consider part of their own little l337 clique.
Which is more than a little bit hypocritical.

You want guaranteed 1v1? Play Quake Tournament Deathmatch.
You want guaranteed 8v8? Play Quake Team Deathmatch.
You want war? Play DAOC.

A bunch of l337-kiddies will probably now leap in and flame me to death for saying this (oh noes, I only have one RR5 toon so far, how could I possibly know anything about the game?), but those are that facts. You can splutter in indignation all you want, but those are the facts.

DAOC is not a 1v1 game.
DAOC is not an 8v8 game.
DAOC is a realm war game.

If you want to try and have 1v1 or 8v8 fights in DAOC, fine, great, more power to you. But the game isn't set up for that, so don't whine if an enemy of your enemy helps kill your enemy. If your FG is fighting an enemy FG and more of either side or the third side piles on, oh well. Deal with it. It happens, and it's going to keep on happening...because that's how the RvR part of this game is set up.

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Quick tip: if you want a 1v1 - or even an 8v8 - fight with someone with no chance of someone adding, do it down in the southern end of the Irish Sea. No bugger ever goes there, and the chances of you getting 'added on' are about as great as the chances of George Bush using a five-syllable word (and knowing what it means).

Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else.


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Gonna say like all the zergers/adders now, pay my subs an you can tell me how to play..

 

[liloe]

are you serious?
your post is full of BS AND of wajn,stop trying to convince other ppl to play the game your way when you cant compete with the way they play

its not their fault that you have to zerg/do keep rvr/add to make rps cause you're probably not skilled enough to join decent 8man guilds


and btw: try running with a real 8man guild before you judge the ppl that do,and see how much freaking fun it can be

So his post is full of BS but it's ok if you claim that 8vs8 is better than zerging? That's a bit hypocrit if you want my opinion.

Or maybe you're not skilled enough to organize a decent keeptake?

As VF said, the issue has been debated a million times and starting another thread is pointless, cause at the end of the day, everyone plays his own style and nobody will ever be able to change that. That goes for both directions ofc, nobody can force ppl to zerg either.

Just it would be nice if people let other people play the game and enjoy it. Again, this counts for both sides. It's pointless to whine if you get added on, swallow it and live with it, no need to get high blood pressure. On the other hand it's totally useless to whine about people who don't want to help take a keep in some realm. You think 8v8 is crap and boring? Well, I think keeptakes are crap and boring and only good to take our own realm's keeps back.

Both arguments are valid, both have been discussed many many times and there are people on both sides behaving like 5y old kids (which is not directed at the initial author, though - I only blame Svart for making another thread about a useless topic ). Sometimes I wish people would grow up a little and see that there is more than one opinion on the planet that matters.

 

[Roteca]

I will be honest, i stopped reading somewere on page 6.

however, if it shall be so accepted to add and going at "war" in the frontiers, why was there so much crying in start of toa when ppl added on your mobs? and stole your camps. for me its basicly the same thing, if it wasnt a part of the game that you could "steal" others mobs and artifact encounters why didnt mythic made it so its pops a barrier around the players that first came there to prevent others from taking it.

its about respect, something that many lacks in this game sadly, just as we should show respect in pve we should also show respect to thoose who want to have 1vs1, 2vs2. 4vs4, 8vs8 and so on, let them have it, i think most knows who dont want to get added on, just leave em alone and they wont bitch at you, and you dont have to bitch back. quite simple i think atleast.

 

[ebenezer]

I will be honest, i stopped reading somewere on page 6.

however, if it shall be so accepted to add and going at "war" in the frontiers, why was there so much crying in start of toa when ppl added on your mobs? and stole your camps. for me its basicly the same thing, if it wasnt a part of the game that you could "steal" others mobs and artifact encounters why didnt mythic made it so its pops a barrier around the players that first came there to prevent others from taking it.

its about respect, something that many lacks in this game sadly, just as we should show respect in pve we should also show respect to thoose who want to have 1vs1, 2vs2. 4vs4, 8vs8 and so on, let them have it, i think most knows who dont want to get added on, just leave em alone and they wont bitch at you, and you dont have to bitch back. quite simple i think atleast.

Well...everyone was unhappy about that in beginning...no exceptions. And no wonder when you spend like 10 hours to camp instead of going out in frontier on crau bridge which takes 1-10 minutes So a bit different. Also people accepted that you couldnt camp and every whine post about "stolen" camps were met by everyone with: hey..you cant camp...get over it! etc. Also when exping in frontier and someone whines over that on rvr forum all sais in choir: Its an rvrv zone..expect it!! But suddenly when its about adding in other type of rvr, you shouldnt expect an add Hmm..funny. Ow well...you say it well in the end. Everyone should respect eachother...unfortunatly that aint gonna happend..
over and out

 

[Roteca]

Well...everyone was unhappy about that in beginning...no exceptions. And no wonder when you spend like 10 hours to camp instead of going out in frontier on crau bridge which takes 1-10 minutes So a bit different. Also people accepted that you couldnt camp and every whine post about "stolen" camps were met by everyone with: hey..you cant camp...get over it! etc. Also when exping in frontier and someone whines over that on rvr forum all sais in choir: Its an rvrv zone..expect it!! But suddenly when its about adding in other type of rvr, you shouldnt expect an add Hmm..funny. Ow well...you say it well in the end. Everyone should respect eachother...unfortunatly that aint gonna happend..
over and out

what i ment with it is, that ppl have realised and respect that you dont go and steal others mobs in pve (artifact encounters before for example), ofc, some ppl still did it, and still prolly does it, cant get everyone to realise that it aint nice. but if ppl started to show just as much respect in rvr and dont go and "steal" eachothers figths, that sometimes takes way longer then 1-10 minutes to get going, by building up a fg for example, getting everyone in-game + on vent/ts, getting buffbots in, buffing grp up, trying to find out if any of your favourite enemys you like to have 8vs8 fights versus is out playing, and then to spot were about they are in the frontier and try to encounter them on a "safe" spot were you dont get added on can quite often take way longer then 10 minutes. ofc not 10 hours as some arti-camping could require, but still alot of time.

 

[Himse]

if you go down to the woods today your sure not in for a surpise....

the leet kiddies come out to play and play the game like they want to play because 8v8 is the wiiiiiinnnnnnnn.

 

[Bracken]

I will be honest, i stopped reading somewere on page 6.

however, if it shall be so accepted to add and going at "war" in the frontiers, why was there so much crying in start of toa when ppl added on your mobs? and stole your camps. for me its basicly the same thing, if it wasnt a part of the game that you could "steal" others mobs and artifact encounters why didnt mythic made it so its pops a barrier around the players that first came there to prevent others from taking it.

Because realm v realm isn't pve. One's against the CoC, one isn't. That's how the game is. There are of course alternative games if you don't like how this one is coded

its about respect, something that many lacks in this game sadly, just as we should show respect in pve we should also show respect to thoose who want to have 1vs1, 2vs2. 4vs4, 8vs8 and so on, let them have it, i think most knows who dont want to get added on, just leave em alone and they wont bitch at you, and you dont have to bitch back. quite simple i think atleast.

Respect isn't about whether someone subscribes to playing the game the same way as you. Choosing a particular playstyle and then expecting everyone else to go along with it is just silly - equating it to respect is even more so.

 

[Roteca]

Respect isn't about whether someone subscribes to playing the game the same way as you. Choosing a particular playstyle and then expecting everyone else to go along with it is just silly - equating it to respect is even more so.

i never said anyone should play as me, but that ppl should respect eachothers way of playing, in other words thoose who want to be left alone with fair figths let them be, apperently the part that want there war is big enough to figth eachother.

to be honest it seems like both parts are quite tired of the whine from eachother, the easiest way as it looks to me is thoose who like there war should leave the guild/set grps that want fair figths, duo or solocrews that want fair figths alone, and the ones that dislike adding and zerging should try to avoid the "choke-points" as bridges, areas that is directly linked to the iRVR parts were they are placed at the moment.

oh and just to add to this post, taking an encounter that wasnt already engaged but was so called camped was never against the coc, just if the mob had been engaged.

 

[Himse]

i never said anyone should play as me, but that ppl should respect eachothers way of playing, in other words thoose who want to be left alone with fair figths let them be, apperently the part that want there war is big enough to figth eachother.

to be honest it seems like both parts are quite tired of the whine from eachother, the easiest way as it looks to me is thoose who like there war should leave the guild/set grps that want fair figths, duo or solocrews that want fair figths alone, and the ones that dislike adding and zerging should try to avoid the "choke-points" as bridges, areas that is directly linked to the iRVR parts were they are placed at the moment.

they should? since the 8v8'ers dont respect the others way of playing.

people like to add, then you whine at them, that isnt respect is it?

exactly, kthxbye.

 

[Roteca]

they should? since the 8v8'ers dont respect the others way of playing.

people like to add, then you whine at them, that isnt respect is it?

exactly, kthxbye.

as i said before, the numbers who like there war is apperently big enough to add and zerg on eachother, just like there was arranged solozones before, dunno if it still is, there could be arranged places that the 8vs8 play, places that the war-ppl can roam, and ofc swap these areas around like every second day or smth so they dont get boored of the terain, ect...

and by my understanding of thoose who like the war part they are more intrested of tower/keep taking/defending, blocking enemys at bridges and so on, i migth be mistaken here since that is not my way of playing thou...

and i respect ppl that want there war part, thats why i dont like to go areas were i know they usually is around, and from my experience that is often around the keep areas (often the ones with port linked to it)

 

[Bertram]

I only have a few things left over for this Endless discussion...

I..... you..... And everyone pay Mythic/goa Every month! No one is paying more than me, am not paying more than others SO .... I have the exact same rigts as everyone aswell as the other way around ! So if someone wanna add they add... If someone dont want to add they dont... If someone wanna zerg they zerg :S

If you think you are tired of rvr and think its out of fun for you , Go to tabletennis or start do some other stuff... Just leave the players who still like the game, and stop bother people with endelss whine and QQ becasue the game is not going the way you like it to...

Its totaly oki you have some ipinions about the rvr fights but i dotn give a fuck tbh... I dont wanna sound as a idiot but tbh... I am TIIIIRED! of the same old bull shit over and over again... I dont care about pointless whine/flame becasue someone dont like teh way i play, becasue am not going to change just becasue you think its wrong what am doing... But hey , pay my subs and i will give a damn

Am not normally adding but i have done it ... I have to be honest and yes i have jumped 2 peeps fighting and so what? I really like the 1vs1 fights but if i want to add or what ever, i will do that , and i dont wanna get flamed afterwards please...

 

[Knothead]

i never said anyone should play as me, but that ppl should respect eachothers way of playing, in other words thoose who want to be left alone with fair figths let them be, apperently the part that want there war is big enough to figth eachother.

to be honest it seems like both parts are quite tired of the whine from eachother, the easiest way as it looks to me is thoose who like there war should leave the guild/set grps that want fair figths, duo or solocrews that want fair figths alone, and the ones that dislike adding and zerging should try to avoid the "choke-points" as bridges, areas that is directly linked to the iRVR parts were they are placed at the moment.

oh and just to add to this post, taking an encounter that wasnt already engaged but was so called camped was never against the coc, just if the mob had been engaged.

how can u tell if someone doesn't want to add or needs help? sorry but if i see an alb mid grp fighting i will fight end of story

 

[Gotmagi]

they should? since the 8v8'ers dont respect the others way of playing.

people like to add, then you whine at them, that isnt respect is it?

exactly, kthxbye.

Actually 8v8'ers usually show a lot of respect, lots of grps leave me alone when I solo on thane, except the few lamers like Realm hunters etc

 

[Roteca]

how can u tell if someone doesn't want to add or needs help? sorry but if i see an alb mid grp fighting i will fight end of story

you migth not notice the first time, but if they tell you to please not add, or if you see one of the grps back of because of adds, also i think its fairly known what guild/set grps, solo/duo/trio-crews that is after fair figths...

 

[Mey]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Svartmetall again."

"Don't try to have a 1v1 fight 10 feet to the left of Brynja Bridge and then howl in indignation when someone else piles in as well; it's a bit like deciding to have a screaming argument with someone in the middle of a restaurant and then going "FFS stop eavesdropping!" at everybody else."

Agreed

 

[Mey]

you migth not notice the first time, but if they tell you to please not add, or if you see one of the grps back of because of adds, also i think its fairly known what guild/set grps, solo/duo/trio-crews that is after fair figths...

What about the new guys?

 

[Roteca]

What about the new guys?

you migth not notice the first time

you will deffo notice if they like if you add or not, and on the other hand, and ofc ppl should try to ask polite the first and second time, but when it happends over and over again its quite frustrating tbh. i dont know any exact numbers of fancy stats cuz i realy cba to find out, but i do know that daoc aint a growing game, there aint so many new ppl cooming. but they will notice anyhow when they start to venture the frontiers who likes to play the war part, and who does not.