Some thoughts on 'adding'...

[Tomwyr]

I have to agree with svarts post tbh

It's a realmwar, and to me only dead invaders are acceptable, and i couldn't care less as to how they die.

"War is not about who is right, it's about who is left."
B. Russell

 

[Svartmetall]

When you zerg and add on 'fair-game'-players you are insulting and provoking them, you should really expect whines and maybe insults.

That sadly won't happen until zergers/adders stop provoking us to bitch at them.

So, basically - you don't like the way the game is actually set up, only want to play it your way, and will whine, bitch and scream at anyone else who doesn't?

"I'm playing a game where anything can happen. But it's GOT TO HAPPEN MY WAY OR I'LL CRY!"

It's pretty clear from the replies in this thread who the real intolerant people are.

 

[Flow]

adders whine about players who whine about adding.
non-adders whine about players who add.

with so many positives its a wonder why daoc is so full of negativity :S

 

[Darac]

I agree with Svart 100% tbh.

When playing my SB I get rolled by full groups constantly. I'm fine with this, its part of the game. Later if I see that FG fighting some mids I will attemp to sneak around the back and take out one of their healers. Surely this is fair? I mean they didnt feel bad about adding on me so surely it's ok if I add on them?

On numerous occasions when this has happened I have recieved sheds loads of abuse from other mids wanker: 's). It's water of a ducks arse though, but theres no need for it.

 

[Phake]

well i think we can all agree that everyone is entitled to play the game they seem fit only as its not breaking the CoC in any way etc... BUT .. and yes its a big but .. thing is that one of the ways of playing is ruining the fun for the other .. and and not the other way around ..

the ppl adding on ppl that dont want be added on is destroying the fun for them .. its not NESSESARY to do so .. AND defending those actions is rather retarded

respect for eachothers playstyles only goes one way these days .. the non-adding groups respects the adders but not the other way around .. thats why they get insulted when adding .. so my advice is .. dont add on those u KNOW dont wanna be added on .. and stop hiding behind the "i pay my subs and i play how i want" and atleast try and act like decent ppl and respect others way of playing..

sry for the bad english etc .. but i really do think that this whole thing has been twisted around .. instead of seeing it for what it is .. one side is killing the fun for others .. the other side aint.

i dont tell ppl how to play at all .. but when they show no respect towards other ppl at all .. and by ignoring the fact by hiding behind the "i pay subs" i say fuck off retards...

Peace, WAY better than WAR.

 

[rure]

"War is not about who is right, it's about who is left."
B. Russell

I'll continue my crusade versus people who compare computer games with wars. For those of you that still are doing these comparisons; how on earth can you not differentiate the very basic differences/consequences between a computer game and a war? Please start thinking.

 

[Eruptix]

some ppl in this thread deserve the award for "most retarded statement of the year 2006"


OLOL ITS WAR !!!1111
like real life war,ppl can die etc,BG leaders can be sued for crimes of war etc

rly...its war,its not a game !!!!111

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fucks sake..grow up..its a game and nothing more
NO ONE forces you to kill anyone on sight
NO ONE forces you to add on that 8v8 fight
NO ONE forces you to ruin the other ppl's fun by doing so

if you really think some little voice in your head forces you to do so,then please...go visit therapy

Anno 2006..Daoc Is a 8v8 game,not a RvR game

 

[Leel]

What a lot of crock, eruptix. It's a shame the spirit of the game has faded so much since the beginning, where you actually went out to defend your realm and smite thine enemies to death. I'm afraid communication across realms, especially via irc, is mostly to blame for this. Some people play exclusively for the fun, not for the competition. After all, it is a GAME.

 

[Tomwyr]

It's a shame the spirit of the game has faded so much since the beginning, where you actually went out to defend your realm and smite thine enemies to death.

Those were the days....

Anno 2006..Daoc Is a 8v8 game,not a RvR game

That is, according to Eruptix. According to me, Midgard frontiers should be kept clean at any time, as albs & hibs *will* try to get me out of theirs.

NO ONE forces me to play daoc in the first place, but i feel free to play as i please.

On a side note, i was just agreeing to svart, i don't think many out there have seen me adding on them.

i won't even answer to rure...

 

[rawr]

I have to agree with svarts post tbh

It's a realmwar, and to me only dead invaders are acceptable, and i couldn't care less as to how they die.

"War is not about who is right, it's about who is left."
B. Russell

I have nothing at all against someone enjoying the game like this, but that quote doesn't really work for DAoC due to /release imo.

The main difference is that this is a community game, meaning that you will see the same people more than once. Communication outside the game or not, people will build a reputation; it is how this ecology works. kivik's post highlights this point, and in all fairness if you would ever want to join any of the niches that have been created also, you are free to.

I have to point out that the whole point of his post, was that you should not whine if you choose to play against the game, (you should be accepting that things will be harder if you create seperate styles of play with the collective freedom the game gives) not that everyone should kill-on-sight, avoid everyone else, or leave.

In the fairness of interesting discussion I would ask that we could debate the message of the thread, which Svart intended to be that no one should be entitled to complain about conflicts with their chosen style of play. This does not mean harrassing someone because they have chosen a different view on the game than you, by calling them an 'adder' or 'elitest irc kiddy', etc.

 

[Icebreaker]

I agree with the Threadstarter. The Reason i started Daoc were the big battles. And in Beta and early Release there wasn't any opted Groups arround. It was just a big Zergfest. And i had loads of fun! Would play Counterstrike or similar Games if i want 8vs8 or 1vs1 fights. But anyway Daoc has changed. There are People out there who prefer Solo fights and Group fights. But those shouldn't cry because someone adds on them (gay word) or get zerged because this is just another Way to play Daoc.

Solo, Zerg, Group,Trio,Duo,Quadro!

 

[ebenezer]

well i think we can all agree that everyone is entitled to play the game they seem fit only as its not breaking the CoC in any way etc... BUT .. and yes its a big but .. thing is that one of the ways of playing is ruining the fun for the other .. and and not the other way around ..

the ppl adding on ppl that dont want be added on is destroying the fun for them .. its not NESSESARY to do so .. AND defending those actions is rather retarded

respect for eachothers playstyles only goes one way these days .. the non-adding groups respects the adders but not the other way around .. thats why they get insulted when adding .. so my advice is .. dont add on those u KNOW dont wanna be added on .. and stop hiding behind the "i pay my subs and i play how i want" and atleast try and act like decent ppl and respect others way of playing..

sry for the bad english etc .. but i really do think that this whole thing has been twisted around .. instead of seeing it for what it is .. one side is killing the fun for others .. the other side aint.

i dont tell ppl how to play at all .. but when they show no respect towards other ppl at all .. and by ignoring the fact by hiding behind the "i pay subs" i say fuck off retards...

Peace, WAY better than WAR.

its a bit more complicated then just saying that one side respect the other side and the other not them back. First of all this whole discussion started way back when insults started whissling past players in rvr. i remember my first insult was from Lorfo long ago. i was in frontier during a raid and the raid past a tower and we all suddenly heard. FO lesser players....this is our tower
Didnt think too much at it at this point but after a few months i suddenly heard some more players that had similar abuse from other players when crossing bridges etc. slowly but steady the subculture of "fair" fights started to be more vocal and express their frustration at every oportunity. not all ofc...just the most vocal and frustrated ones. This in time started more and more discussions here and slowly created two distinct camps in daoc. And the casuals in between that couldnt care less about any of it So what you gotta realise here is that people have been playign it in another way from day one...and then suddenly get abused for something that to them is their way of what this game is. Now they didnt start disrespecting anyone by purpose. They didnt even know they were doing it. the disrepect started from the abusers...and if they wouldnt have started that, then maybe we wouldnt have this situasion at all today. Start abusing someone for something so silly as am opinion in a game...and you get nowhere with that human being after that. Its just common sense, that relationship is beyond repair.
The " other camp" with "zergers" and "adders" will never respect people that abused them in the first place. Also you say here that respect only goes one way. I would like to say that only one side really cares about it the casual players and players that play the game the way it was in beginning and have no intrest to discuss this doesnt even involve themself in this. they just keep on playing it with their friends the same way they always had.

If you buy a product, which this game is. its a game you buy for ur own money and do with it how you like. except for a few rules that comes with it, lets say you buy another computer game, and a guy you invited over plays it with you. You tell him how you play the game. he suddenly burst out: what...you cant play it like that!!!...thats not fair!...you have to understand that my way of playing it is the right and fair way! would you listen to him and change ur playstyle though you bought the game and you play how you like? i think not. Poeple in this game often forget that This game is a product everyone pays for them self. its thiers. And there is nothing anyone else can do about it. When they sit down and start playing this game they dont have in mind to ruin for anyone else or to play for someone elses sake....darn they just wanna spend some time relaxing and play a feckin game they bought in the pc shop. not have to listen to some abusive people that tries to bully themself into their living room.
The key words: GAME......NO ABUSE......PLAY HOW YOU LIKE...think about those and you realise how far off you are.
over and out..

My quote didnt mean this whol post was directed to you btw, just hijacked that to adresss a few things

 

[Elrandhir]

I will and have always respected other players I think, anyone can ask me to not add on this or that fight (though I usually leave any fight I see is fair)

What I wont do is watch a hib die if I don't know he is out for 1 vs 1 and now Im talking about people I see never wanted to get into that fight willingly, is rather easy to spot usually atleast, then the Alb/mid will die because I will then be helping, I don't care if the Alb or mid think it's adding, because from the hibs view i was helping and that comes first for me.

I never add on fair 1 vs 1 fights, and if anyone think that I should never help atall, then well I can only say that I think it's pretty sad to just stand and watch you'r realm mate die tbh, that is how I feel atleast.

And also if anyone would disagree on this, yeah sure thats you'r opinion, but whatever anyone would say that would never change my view on this.

 

[Nosufer]

The adding sub-culture has got to the point now where if you add, you run the risk of your enemies and own realm x-realming to kill you via IRC.

 

[Elrandhir]

The adding sub-culture has got to the point now where if you add, you run the risk of your enemies and own realm x-realming to kill you via IRC.

I don't use IRC myself or anything else that helps me communicate with anyone from another realm.

I will help out to kill people that are at a place where there is mostly solo fights at the time, and it's pretty obvious that they only come there to get some easy RP's.

I see no wrong in teaming up with other soloers, not grouped, but still help out and kill those comming there to farm, and those wanting to farm should expect this to happen also imo ^^

 

[Calo]

some ppl in this thread deserve the award for "most retarded statement of the year 2006"


OLOL ITS WAR !!!1111
like real life war,ppl can die etc,BG leaders can be sued for crimes of war etc

rly...its war,its not a game !!!!111

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fucks sake..grow up..its a game and nothing more
NO ONE forces you to kill anyone on sight
NO ONE forces you to add on that 8v8 fight
NO ONE forces you to ruin the other ppl's fun by doing so

if you really think some little voice in your head forces you to do so,then please...go visit therapy

Anno 2006..Daoc Is a 8v8 game,not a RvR game

and
NO ONE forces you to play 8v8
NO ONE forces you to play solo
NO ONE forces you to not add on ppl
NO ONE forces you to not do what you think is fun (aka keeptakes etc)

Ppl like you only see 1 way, you just can't see the other side or you just start calling them clueless and lesser beings.

and lol Daoc is a 8vs8 game. Did you made it or something? Yes keep on trying to FORCE ppl to play 8vs8.

 

[ebenezer]

People that buy this game should expect nothing from anyone else except following the rules included in the manual. They should also expect anything to happen in a zone were you step into freely and can be killed. If not that is that persons own ilusions and nothing that a person not even aquainted with him should be blamed for. If i came into any game with expectasions about how the other players should play that would be very foolish of me. I can expect comon decency since that is what happends around me in rl. But that doesnt includes setting my own standards or rules for people that dont even know me . Also everyone that played this long cant think at all out of their own box any longer...therefor its a fruitless discussion since it will go back to square one everytime. I think only if you try and use the same argument in a totally different settings and with people not involved in this will you realise how stupid it all is.
Try for example to go into a paintball arena or a lazerdoom place. A place were everyone kills anyone. Then start setting ur own rules with the friends you are there with. Then decide that the rest of the people around your circle that shoots and interfere should be abused openly. Comon...try it...and see what happends. if you get a very positive response il give you a platinum in game for trying, if you are beaten up or abused back maybe you learned something along the way This is how stupid it is, people just dont realise it cause they dont have any perspective and are living this false ilusion they set up around themself in daoc that their opinion is really the right one. Its the same with any drug...or sect. if you live a lie long enough you start believing in it...
over and out..

 

[kivik]

So, basically - you don't like the way the game is actually set up, only want to play it your way, and will whine, bitch and scream at anyone else who doesn't?

No I don't like the way the game was set up to, it sucks. And that's why I'm playing my own way, and will whine on someone who provokes me, I would do the same if I was an adder/zerger and got provoked. But I usually try to just talk to them, but I'm unormally answered with the oh so original "OMG/ROFL IT'S RVR!", wich makes it kinda pointless.

"I'm playing a game where anything can happen. But it's GOT TO HAPPEN MY WAY OR I'LL CRY!"

More like:

"I'm playing a game where anything can happen. BUT IF SOMEONE PROVOKES ME I'LL GIVE THEM WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR!"


Maybe you will understand the difference. I don't whine because they play another way, it's because they are provoking me, while I haven't done anything to them. And that's why I sometimes pay them back!

 

[kivik]

First of all, make some spaces in your posts, ebenezer!

Try for example to go into a paintball arena or a lazerdoom place. A place were everyone kills anyone. Then start setting ur own rules with the friends you are there with. Then decide that the rest of the people around your circle that shoots and interfere should be abused openly.

Crap example, first of all you can play paintball/lazerdome in different ways, exactly like DAoC. Difference between DAoC and this is that; Those that plays one way plays together in one arena, and those who plays in another way plays together in another arena. If you start setting own rules I'm sure you will play in an arena together with other who follow those rules, and if someone however decides to join and not follow the rules, talking with them would probably be easier because they won't yell "OMG YOU ARE NOT PLAYING PAINTBALL AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED!!!"

Comparing DAoC and real life usually doesn't work. But I know one thing that that is very similiar, getting angry/pissed over losing in DAoC (game) and getting angry/pissed over your favourite team losing in <insert random sport> (game).

However I think I get your point anyways.

As you said you should have no expections when buying DAoC and that's why many play their own special way. I'm not setting rules for other people I'm setting them for myself. However I will welcome and highly respect people who will play by my rules or similar when meeting me out there in RvR.

 

[ebenezer]

First of all, make some spaces in your posts, ebenezer!



Crap example, first of all you can play paintball/lazerdome in different ways, exactly like DAoC. Difference between DAoC and this is that; Those that plays one way plays together in one arena, and those who plays in another way plays together in another arena. If you start setting own rules I'm sure you will play in an arena together with other who follow those rules, and if someone however decides to join and not follow the rules, talking with them would probably be easier because they won't yell "OMG YOU ARE NOT PLAYING PAINTBALL AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED!!!"

Comparing DAoC and real life usually doesn't work. But I know one thing that that is very similiar, getting angry/pissed over losing in DAoC (game) and getting angry/pissed over your favourite team losing in <insert random sport> (game).

However I think I get your point anyways.

As you said you should have no expections when buying DAoC and that's why many play their own special way. I'm not setting rules for other people I'm setting them for myself. However I will welcome and highly respect people who will play by my rules or similar when meeting me out there in RvR.

hehe..well actually you can compare some situasions and morals etc with rl if you dont compare the actual game mechanics. In this situasion it was used to make an example that would work for every other game were you pay....go in and play with other poeple and have to respect the rules there and just play. You just cant set ur own rules. Also i played lazerdoom ina place were everyone played in one big arena. So my example was working fine there My point was that if you use the same kind of abuse in any other situasion similar to the abuse situasions in daoc...you wouldnt get away with it. Now im quite sure no one would dare even do that in rl.since you would feel the consequense for it right then and there.
Also no daoc players that played and been infested with the "add discussion" virus can see the resemblance since they cant think outside the box any longer, any other person would though...
Anyways, a calm enough discussion so far. maybe people are at last getting tired of raning about it hehe)
over and out..

 

[Marc]

Cant wait till my ranger is 50. Im gonna add and leech on everything \o/

 

[Nosufer]

Cant wait till my ranger is 50. Im gonna add and leech on everything \o/

We can group Marc, you can be my padawan learner

 

[Fyric]

You realise that eventually people are gonna start being on same vent, but on different channel, when add comes they'll switch channel, mention it, and then leave again.. eventually all adding will stop by then unless you add with such force that you have any chance in hell against an opted fg, ie. 2fg+

Is that really what you want.. do you actually want your realmmates and the people they're fighting to start working together like that?, right now people will back off as soon as they see the add, but eventually people are gonna make it more formal.

DAoC is evolving/degenerating into the good vs the bad, instead of midgard vs albion vs hibernia, is that really what people want, because if people keep adding on already engaged enemies, that is what will happen, whether the game was designed for it or not.

 

[Marc]

We can group Marc, you can be my padawan learner

haha ok mate

 

[ebenezer]

You realise that eventually people are gonna start being on same vent, but on different channel, when add comes they'll switch channel, mention it, and then leave again.. eventually all adding will stop by then unless you add with such force that you have any chance in hell against an opted fg, ie. 2fg+

Is that really what you want.. do you actually want your realmmates and the people they're fighting to start working together like that?, right now people will back off as soon as they see the add, but eventually people are gonna make it more formal.

DAoC is evolving/degenerating into the good vs the bad, instead of midgard vs albion vs hibernia, is that really what people want, because if people keep adding on already engaged enemies, that is what will happen, whether the game was designed for it or not.

For some poeple the midgard/albion.hibernia war is allready dead. All knows eachother over boundaries and so on took care of that..irc etc. Its more like friendly dueling then the game it was. Not for casuals or the "zergers " though. they still play it like it was in past.( not making any judgement on that...just stating facts). Also the future you mention about one common front against adding will never happend. its not as simple as that. just because they have that view in common...everyone adds for one thing..so those people will constantly bicker amongst themself anyways. Also since people are not didvided into black/white and have other opinions and views as well they wont start to work together just cause one view is the same.I for one thing like to have uninterupted fights, but would that make me spend time on vent with some people i seen on this boards just cause they have same opinions about adding lol...thats not why i play this game. I play it to have fun for myself and friends, and when they gone..im gone
over and out..

 

[Leel]

Ebenezer, paragraph your posts a bit please, it's a bit hard to read, and you always write so much:-P

 

[snushanen]

You realise that eventually people are gonna start being on same vent, but on different channel, when add comes they'll switch channel, mention it, and then leave again

i have seen that, people from the same vent channel whining to others in different channel for adding. realy lame imo because its no rules against adding.

Have also experienced players from other realms come down in my channel because they know i play mid and they say "Hi m8 could u plz PM (a name) and tell him "U fcking adding zerger ................... (finish QQ)"

Thats is REALY anoying and its cross realming from my side so i never do it.
The comunication between realms are suposed to be as limited as possible. And if people have to cry about it. Go outside and whine to the wall.. it helps

 

[Labello]

It's war. It's not Realm Team Deathmatch, it's not Realm 1v1 Tournament Deathmatch, it's a 3-way Realm War.
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It's what we make it, rules is just a suggestion.

There is no such thing as 'adding'; it's just a term invented by people
...

It's just invented by people? Tell me whats not invented by people?
Ore maby you think Mythic is some kinda higher life form?

 

[ebenezer]

Ebenezer, paragraph your posts a bit please, it's a bit hard to read, and you always write so much:-P

sorry and yeh...im too lazy sometimes( except when writing a lot)

 

[kivik]

hehe..well actually you can compare some situasions and morals etc with rl if you dont compare the actual game mechanics.

No just no, DAoC is a game, it's not the same as real life. But if you still think you are right I would like to see you take up some examples about adder morals, comparing them with real life. It's simple, you almost never act the same way in this game as you would in real life.

....go in and play with other poeple and have to respect the rules there and just play. You just cant set ur own rules.

There are no rules that a player should follow and respect when he joins the game, he creates is own. You can do that, but you can't expect everyone to follow your rules.

Also i played lazerdoom ina place were everyone played in one big arena. So my example was working fine there

Well I'm sure you all played the same way? Because if someone didn't like the way you played he would play together will other likeminded people, something wich is not possible in DAoC.

My point was that if you use the same kind of abuse in any other situasion similar to the abuse situasions in daoc...you wouldnt get away with it. Now im quite sure no one would dare even do that in rl.since you would feel the consequense for it right then and there.
over and out..

Maybe not, not like you will get away using the same kind of provoking in a situation in real life, similar to add/zerg situations in DAoC.

I've once abused and even hit a guy in a group wich strangely had a similar attitude to some zerg/add people in this game. Their group were somewhat terrorizing our school, they blackmailed other pupils and sometimes beat them up if they did not pay. When they came to me to do that I directly opposed them, insulted them and hit one of them, yes I got totally beaten up. But it was well worth it, they did stop doing such stuff around our school. I do not ask you to, nor do I expect you to believe it, but it's true. Felt I had to mention it.