Politics So...Europe then?

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Raven, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    It was similar on the Scottish indyref; their white paper was all based around $100 a barrel of oil which was incredibly optimistic at the time and dire in reality leading to higher taxation and borrowing. It didn't / won't stop the die hard nationalists though
     
  2. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    The 60+ demographic kept the No vote afloat - I wonder how the demographic split will be for the EU vote? Will old people prefer to be out, and young people in?
     
  3. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    For all those stayers, are we forgetting the country voted Nigel Farage to be our MEP.

    Just frickin LOL to our opinion of the EU.
     
  4. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Swastikas from a group of 30 people.

    They're not neo-nazis though, its' only a small minority within that 30 man group who are!
     
  5. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    You do know we get more than one?
     
  6. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

  7. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    The stay crowd are doing an excellent job of making me lean towards a leave vote.

    If all they can do is issue threats then fuck'um.
     
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  8. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I'm not really bothered about the City tbh, it's pretty much common sense that they'd survive without the EU, since it's more global markets, and I'd imagine it has more to do with America that Europe (I might be wrong, but my point still remains)

    I'm more concerned about larger businesses that actively trade products across Europe, and if they get more trade out of Europe than they would in.
     
  9. fettoken

    fettoken FH is my second home

    If you guys are leaving the EU, do we need to get visum or some such to stay for a longer period of time, and also the other way around?
     
  10. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Dunno, ask the Swiss.
     
  11. ECA

    ECA I am a FH squatter

    500k more immigrants anticipated this year, I expect this campaign is going to come down to the stay campaign fearmongering about the economy and the leave campaign fearmongering about the immigrants.

    Any rational discussion will be met with stern hostility :d
     
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  12. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    500k is a ridiculous amount, being in or out of Europe will make little difference though.
     
  13. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    All these sort of questions will remain up in the air unless there is a vote to leave, then should the UK leave the EU all such issues will be sorted out in the 2 years or something it takes to disengage.

    As I've said before, the UK will be fine outside the EU since we are still part of Europe and get on well with most countries in Europe but it would be a little bumpy for the first few years.
     
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  14. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    2 years? LOL. Try ten.
     
  15. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    2 years might not be enough, all sorts of shit needs to be untangled

    The hoover power case for example, if the UK leaves and wants to sell these higher powered hoover than eu allows, the manufactirers would need to comply with a seperate set of safety and quality certifications

    Every single product that currently benefits from an EU certification would need to be re-certified if the UK standard is different, and any products made in UK for EU market would still need to meet the EU certification standards, will it be worth it for companies to have seperate production lines for a marginally different product for just the UK market? In most cases probably not
     
  16. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Hoovers...really?
    Perfectly sensible EU legislation...no one needs 1600watt vacuums.
     
  17. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Call yourself an Englishman? It's your inalienable right to have a vacuum cleaner that can suck the eyeballs off an illegal immigrant from 50 paces, and no bloody bureaucrat in Brussels should be able to stop you.
     
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  18. ECA

    ECA I am a FH squatter

    They put off banning our high power kettles in case it tips the scales for the leave campaign.

    no joke.
     
  19. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    All that tea drinking is causing havoc, havoc i tells you
     
  20. Lakih

    Lakih FH is my second home

    Schengen Area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'd say nothing will probably change, but bring your passport if going anyway because it's just easier for everyone.
     
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  21. ~Yuckfou~

    ~Yuckfou~ Lovely person

    Already banned "normal" light bulbs.

    I'm in a moral dilemma with this, up until recently I would absolutely vote out. Now though, due to emigrating to another EU country I want to vote in. It'll make life a lot easier for me and probably strengthen the pound back up. I'll feel dirty.
     
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  22. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Kettles. Pah.
    fusion-square-chroom_800x600_Crop_CY0_CX0_DPC_W800_H600.jpg
     
  23. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

  24. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    They already do this, so I'm not entirely sure how things would be massively different if we left.

    British Standards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There are some British Standards, some have been superceded by European Legislation.

    Still not seeing any compelling argument to stay tbh. The sky will fall in and everyone will kill each other aren't really compelling arguments, and all the talk of "consequences" just makes me more convinced fucking off out of there is the best approach.

    After all this referendum is an exercise in democracy, and if there's one thing the small band of bureaucrats (maybe oligarchs is more accurate) who run the EU hate, it's democracy.
     
  25. ~Yuckfou~

    ~Yuckfou~ Lovely person

    I've been looking at those, you got one? Any good?
     
  26. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Still not seeing a compelling argument to leave either, tomayto, tomahto. And since there are no obvious benefits... (please don't say "democracy". The UK ranks 13th in world for democratic institutions and all but two of the countries in front of the UK are in the EU, and if you honestly think brexit UK would become more democratic you're mad as a balloon.)
     
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  27. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Dunno yet. Kitchen is currently a set of interesting disconnected shapes. Along with the rest of the house.
     
  28. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    Considering consequences of your political actions seems pretty sensible to me

    The EU is a democracy, you vote for MEPs after all and the council of ministers is made up of elected officials from EU members, the problem is all the closed door shenanigans, but remember even that part is taken care of by elected officials

    No legislation or executive decisions are made by a bureaucrat without it being approved by someone thats been elected - if you dont like their decisions then vote for someone else

    It has flaws yes, the decisions are sometimes baffling, and frankly a lot of it is stuck in the mud of politics

    But is it any less democratic or accountable than any national government? Not really no

    and a brit complaining about lack of democracy while living in an outdated two party first past the post system is laughable :p
     
  29. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    A lot of laws/regulations made in the EU would still be enacted here even if the UK left the Eu, mainly to simplify things for companies etc but naturally there isn't a requirement to enact EU laws when outside of the EU.
     

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