Politics So...Europe then?

[Scouse]

Brexit bots!

I'm so far removed from social media it'd never even occured to me.

 

[Bodhi]

I've been waiting to see if anyone would bother referring to the evidence-based arguments eloquently made by Professor Michael Dougan - who's specialism is European Constitutional Law, posted by @BloodOmen here:
I like that he compares arguments levelled against him to creationists shouting down evolutionary biologists.

Did anyone actually watch this video, or does his calm honest evidence-based assesment threaten to shatter people's brains?

No, not at all. However the sneering tone of your post, plus the fact he's completely wrong on the Norway point, mean my voting intentions remain completely unmoved.

Sad thing is, I'm more than happy to vote Remain tomorrow, if I hear an argument along the lines of "The EU is great because....". The sad thing is, after however many years this campaign has gone in, I'm yet to hear one.

 

[caLLous]

Just saw on the news someone saying they're voting Leave because they don't like the lies they've heard from Remain. WHAT.

 

[Bodhi]

Just saw on the news someone saying they're voting Leave because they don't like the lies they've heard from Remain. WHAT.

Thing is though, both campaigns have been fucking shocking from what I've seen, with bullshit, threats, personal attacks and smears featuring large from both sides. So I really have to admit, if it was an election I would be going for the none of the above option.

But it isn't sadly, so I have to choose a least worst option. To me that's getting out.

 

[Gwadien]

Thing is though, both campaigns have been fucking shocking from what I've seen, with bullshit, threats, personal attacks and smears featuring large from both sides. So I really have to admit, if it was an election I would be going for the none of the above option.

But it isn't sadly, so I have to choose a least worst option. To me that's getting out.

I still fail to see how leaving is the 'least worst option' - I mean, are you in poverty? - Do you need massive change in order to turn your life around or are you content with the way things are.

I mean, sure things COULD be better if we leave, but for fence-sitters, the obvious choice would be the status quo.

 

[Job]

Still just an opinion, you could spout out endless facts about individual concerns, but how they all interact on the world stage is beyond prediction, if you could predict it the ftse index would be 1billion and we'd all have ferraris.

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah well, issue is, I'm not much of a gambler, and that's what leaving is; a gamble.

 

[caLLous]

Thing is though, both campaigns have been fucking shocking from what I've seen, with bullshit, threats, personal attacks and smears featuring large from both sides. So I really have to admit, if it was an election I would be going for the none of the above option.

But it isn't sadly, so I have to choose a least worst option. To me that's getting out.

Yeah the whole campaign has been awful but for a person to say "I'm voting one way because the other side lied" is laughable.

 

[Scouse]

the fact he's completely wrong on the Norway point

Oh, so you're refuting the expert professor who's worked his entire professional life on this?

Cool! Please provide the evidence from an equally reputable source that refutes him

 

[caLLous]

 

[Bodhi]

Oh, so you're refuting the expert professor who's worked his entire professional life (being funded by the EU) on this?

Cool! Please provide the evidence from an equally reputable source that refutes him

Bit more like it.

I posted an article earlier in the thread that looked at the Norway option in detail, and came to massively different conclusions.

 

[TdC]

wow Bods, you sharing the hat Job made much?

 

[Job]

Oh, so you're refuting the expert professor who's worked his entire professional life on this?

Cool! Please provide the evidence from an equally reputable source that refutes him

I'm not refuting his facts, but how they will play out against the chaos of the economy/politics and price of bananas is just an opinion.

 

[Bodhi]

wow Bods, you sharing the hat Job made much?

His post at Liverpool University is part funded by the EU though?

Which I don't have an issue with, but it does bring into question his position as an independent voice.

Anyway a good read:

Remain: the left has lined up with the establishment

 

[ECA]

Can you imagine if we vote out ? Scouse will have a breakdown.

 

[Job]

A very, very slow one.

 

[Shagrat]

but obviously a superior breakdown to the rest of us oiks.

 

[TdC]

His post at Liverpool University is part funded by the EU though?

Which I don't have an issue with, but it does bring into question his position as an independent voice.

So you're saying every single expert in the entire world is not to be trusted?

Better start burning those universities soon. Job will elect you king of the Saxons and love you forever if you did that. Unless you're brown. Or do anything to upset him. Or have an education. Or undercut his rates.

 

[Raven]

Will it be delusional though?

 

[caLLous]

 

[Raven]

I think we can safely say any pre vote polls are pretty pointless these days.

 

[Moriath]

Can you imagine if we vote out ? Scouse will have a breakdown.

One can hope

 

[Moriath]

So you're saying every single expert in the entire world is not to be trusted?

Better start burning those universities soon. Job will elect you king of the Saxons and love you forever if you did that. Unless you're brown. Or do anything to upset him. Or have an education. Or undercut his rates.

Idislike the word expert without the qualifying what makes him an expert. And what makes his view better than others. Experts can be easy to find.

 

[dysfunction]

Idislike the word expert without the qualifying what makes him an expert. And what makes his view better than others. Experts can be easy to find.

How about these guys? Experts enough for you?
Nobel prize-winning economists warn of long-term damage after Brexit

 

[caLLous]

When you start throwing around qualifiers like "ten of the world's leading economists" though you have to sit up and pay attention.

ffs @dysfunction. (although I posted it before you last time )

 

[BloodOmen]

Do what you all want to do tomorrow. It's your decisions at the end of the day, I just hope you're basing these decisions on facts, not propaganda from proven racist parties like the BNP and Britain First. this should be a choice based on facts and statistics, not because you don't like someones skin colour or the religion they've chosen.

This is something that will weigh heavily around not only you but your family for the next 10 years. Change does not come over night, if we vote out tomorrow and it actually happens, not a great deal would change for AT LEAST 10 years, it takes that long to implement new laws, new regulations and changes in general across the board, it's not just a case of "Ok we're out, flick the switch for the new laws."

I'm not voting out tomorrow and let me tell you why

I'm married to someone from Europe and I take this pretty seriously and personally, my children are both half European if you want to be technical and I won't vote on something that could (and I do use COULD very lightly) potentially impact them and their futures.

I couldn't give 2 flying fucks about Islam or Muslims either for that matter because unlike most of you I haven't been scared into thinking everyone who wears a burka or has brown skin is a terrorist by media owned by Rupert Murdoch. The fact of the matter is there are almost 2,000,000,000 Muslims on this planet, let that sink in for one moment - almost - >2,000,000,000<-, to put that further into perspective, there are 6,300,000,000 (roughly) on this small rock we call Earth, if all Muslims were as bad as the media made them out to be, we'd already be dead, because there is fuck all we could do against 2,000,000,000 people.

Stay safe, do some research if you're still in doubt about in/out tomorrow and make sure it's the right choice.

 

[Scouse]

Idislike the word expert without the qualifying what makes him an expert. And what makes his view better than others. Experts can be easy to find.

If you bothered watching the video you'd have seen that he presents his credentials. And "experts" aren't easy to find - most people claim to be them, most, like Gillian McKeith, aren't.

@Bodhi - nice "evidence-based" argument there m8


Edit: I won't have a meltdown if we leave. I'll feel pity for the poor folk who'll get fucked over, anger at my net worth being decimated and joy at watching the idiots who voted for leave realise they were wrong, but not admit it.

But I suspect we'll stay.

 

[caLLous]

I'm married to someone from Europe and I take this pretty seriously and personally, my children are both half European if you want to be technical and I won't vote on something that could (and I do use COULD very lightly) potentially impact them and their futures.

You're from Europe and your children are both 100% European.

 

[BloodOmen]

You're from Europe and your children are both 100% European.

You know what I mean you bellend stop nitpicking.

 

[Scouse]

Anyway a good read:

Remain: the left has lined up with the establishment

Website owned by this guy

he considers efforts to combat racism in football to be "a class war" driven by "elites' utter incomprehension of the mass passions that get aired at football matches". Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes". ... He is opposed to the legalization of same-sex marriage ...yadda yadda

So, a dodgy partisan journo, not exactly "evidence-based" eh @Bodhi?