Relic Raid

[rvn]

relic raids are nice, brings out alot of action, in the normally totally deserted frontier.

too bad that some people didnt get enough bored with the pve of TOA

 

[Ging]

relic raids are nice, brings out alot of action, in the normally totally deserted frontier.

too bad that some people didnt get enough bored with the pve of TOA

i only pve to rvr!

pve sucks!

 

[xorland]

Fuck me you would think these relics were real with the amount of whines that go on..

They are!

 

[Kalba]

Grats PvE masters!

 

[Vodkafairy]

It´s amazing, how long-time playes like VF are still getting upset about stuff like this after all those years, and come up with a bunch of weird arguments. Not flaming you personally, just trying to put my finger on the flaws in your POVs.

im not getting upset about it? just think its a shame that they really think it was good for the server. surely it wasn't very fun to bash npc's and npc's only?

nothing wrong with epic battles and so on, if we play to 8v8 we try to roam in a quiet area where only the grps that are also looking for us go to. if people want to have standoffs on and around the bridge or tower all day long, they can do it for all i care - aslong as they dont ruin fights we have. also im not the person to yell at a group that adds unless its really bad frustration of the moment (rarely), rather pm one and ask if they want to prevent it next time. if they dont want to, /shrug, nothing i can do about it. sure it may sound bitter sometime but i really dont mean it like that - in case some people want to wajn at me now

relic raids and so on are a good change from the 'normal' rvr, i can really enjoy them tbh. actually i organised a rr at primetime not long after NF release with lots of planning and all the fg guilds involved, i think everyone kinda enjoyed it except the fact that within 10 mins albs had more people than i got together after days of contacting guilds

relics do ruin the balance, but retaking relic from a single keep isn't that hard. if the other realms keep pressure, eventually the keep will fall and balance is restored. reward for good organisation and lots of planning is the dmg bonus, for a short while. the fun is in the capturing, not having them.

this is where it goes wrong at raids that aren't at primetime, you dont deserve a reward for fighting npc's only, without any kind of planning or organisation. in my opinion

 

[Gordonax]

relic = reward for good organisation on very large scale. late night raids are just sad, very sad. no respect for any of those who are involved, use your brain next time you think its fun to fuck up atmosphere and balance on the server

Do you extend that "no respect" to the people who took the keeps earlier then logged off? Because really, they were the ones that won the relics. All the 3fg did in the early morning was go collect them.

What you say used to be right. However, Mythic has changed the ground rules. Now, the way to defend relics is to make sure your keeps aren't in enemy hands - if you leave them in enemy hands overnight, less than 20 players can take them. And there will always be 20 players on at 4am who want to take relics, especially in Alb where there's more people play late.

 

[Coldbeard]

And i dont have rights to my own opinions ? wheee thanks

I never said that? No idea how you manage to twist that one.

 

[Gordonax]

glen was taken back when the albs disapeared
albs logged on at some silly time and took the relics

Reading through, I don't think the albs involved logged on at 5am or whatever - I think they were the late-nighters who play that time anyway.

 

[Urgluf]

excal albs cant compete rvr so they make up for it with pve relic taking..

or they reroll hib? xD

 

[Javai]

So when do we get the new 'no -ToA' 'no relics' server

I love to see all the whines about how Albs gonna have 20% extra damage, Hibs had 20% extra spell damage for almost the whole 2.5 years of old frontiers, I guess bards been busy with amnesia or else people got very short memories.

 

[Draypor]

im dont mind what the albs did last night, i know this is a 24/7 game and peeps do have different work patterens.... however, i doubt that the albs that took the relics ALL fall into this

for the last week or more there seems to be alot of late nite alb zergin, funny how this coinsides with school breaking up! look forward to the new term

as for your 20% bonuses... bah, dont make much difference to us warlocks

 

[Vodkafairy]

Do you extend that "no respect" to the people who took the keeps earlier then logged off? Because really, they were the ones that won the relics. All the 3fg did in the early morning was go collect them.

What you say used to be right. However, Mythic has changed the ground rules. Now, the way to defend relics is to make sure your keeps aren't in enemy hands - if you leave them in enemy hands overnight, less than 20 players can take them. And there will always be 20 players on at 4am who want to take relics, especially in Alb where there's more people play late.

the collecting is what is probably inevitable, but still pathetic in a way the people who took keeps around midnight or even past it.. well.. doesn't really matter. early morning is when keeps/relics should be left alone

and yeah you're right about the second part.. nothing to add there really, other than that i think its a bad system

 

[Bracken]

for the last week or more there seems to be alot of late nite alb zergin, funny how this coinsides with school breaking up! look forward to the new term

Hmm late night is 9pm - midnight? Guess it depends on your age what you regard as late night

Incidentally, last week saw some nice hib zerging, the week before it was mids. But hey, selective memory 4teh win...

 

[Javai]

But hey, selective memory 4teh win...

No no selective memory 4teh whine.....

 

[Draypor]

Hmm late night is 9pm - midnight? Guess it depends on your age what you regard as late night

Incidentally, last week saw some nice hib zerging, the week before it was mids. But hey, selective memory 4teh win...

well i logged off about 11:30 ish last nite and relics were all still in place.
i logged on about 7:00 this morn and they were gone...... :touch:

selective PvE 4teh win

 

[Generation]

Remove relics, make all realm bonus come only from enemy keeps held and the problem is almost eliminated. Yes, there would then be those who take keeps at 5am to get a little extra bonus but they're not too hard to retake and restore balance.

I don't see how anyone can blame the regular late-night players for having a go at relics if the chance is there, many can't take part in *primetime* raids due to their working hours, they pay the same amount of subs as anyone else so why shouldn't they.

Moral of the story: Defend your frontier, claim any tower/keep you can and get it's level raised, and you'll find that the small percentage of players active in late-night rvr will really struggle to get your relic gates open.

 

[Generation]

well i logged off about 11:30 ish last nite and relics were all still in place.
i logged on about 7:00 this morn and they were gone...... :touch:

selective PvE 4teh win

Yup, all RvR activity ceases at 11:30pm :touch:

Most adults only require 6 hours of sleep a night

 

[scorge]

People will always whine, when you take the bonus away from them. Even though they say it doesn't matter, it obviously does.

 

[WullieTheRed]

Well, its a 24/7 game and all that, but using AC tactics to secure all the relics is just very, very lame. Albies must now carry the Stone of Shame for all eternity!! mwahahaha.

 

[Draypor]

Yup, all RvR activity ceases at 11:30pm :touch:

Most adults only require 6 hours of sleep a night

i agree with u, but from what i gather we could have all stayed on till 3am and it would have made no difference.

as i said originally, i dont mind what happened. just like to get involved

 

[dub]

was afraid of what the hive mind controller implemented in last patch would do to albs , but seems i cant blame that since it obviously was the hole in glen wall that commanded you to take relics.

i suggest getting better brick resist so all you albs who " are really against AC raids" dont fall for the lure's of walls again.

as with everything else in this game its you that decide , there is no proverbial alb that feel a strange force compelling them to take relics , its you that does is.

play as you want others to play against you.

/dismiss

 

[Petwick(Ebony Hand)]

 

[Lisaliten]

can i be an alb? :worthy:

 

[scorge]

play as you want others to play against you.

naked covered in mud... wearing a tin foil hat to confuse the alb zerg...!

 

[Docs]

what difference does it make? its about the principle of preferring relic dmg over the fun fight its supposed to be to get it. velly pathetic, even if they're getting reset soon

its quite obvious that its no fucking point doing a primetime raid because you'll only take it back in the morning anyways. and i bet many hibs would do the same if they could, mids aswell.

would be nice if people could just stop and think whats best fun for all and the best overall way to have this server - neutral relics and many primetime raids, whether they fail or not. but nooo... dmg loLZ EPEEN KEKEke +++++++111!1

Vodka, I know that you usually make quite intelligent posts, but what do you want it to turn into? A mass farmage like the last year in OF where alb didnt have a single relic and each primetime raid resulted in the albs getting farmed and/or the server died.

Servers might not die these days but Im willing to bet the farm part will still happen.
And the almost 1½ years straight of status quo where hib had power and mid strength was good for the game? What was the difference that made things so right back then? Was it not the same "dmg loLZ EPEEN KEKEke +++++++111!1" ?

This will probably just be for a few weeks and after that Im willing to bet that the albs will have a hard time defending from two realms RR:ing at the same time.

And to the lot that use personal insults and put other nice attributes on an entire realm of players, I really think you should stop playing for a few days anc contemplate the fact that you are getting this worked up over a game.

The sad truth is that the same people that cry their guts out today will be the ones that laugh the loudest when the clustering is introduced and they can get to stab back.

 

[Bracken]

was afraid of what the hive mind controller implemented in last patch would do to albs , but seems i cant blame that since it obviously was the hole in glen wall that commanded you to take relics.

i suggest getting better brick resist so all you albs who " are really against AC raids" dont fall for the lure's of walls again.

as with everything else in this game its you that decide , there is no proverbial alb that feel a strange force compelling them to take relics , its you that does is.

play as you want others to play against you.

/dismiss

What you talking about? Afaik those that didn't want to get involved in a late night raid logged when Glen was taken.

/ponder

 

[Docs]

i can garuntee 20% pow and 20% melee make a big difference in fg rvr.
If your a low rr grp you have to play exeedingly well to beat a high rr grp, now try beat a high rr grp who is 3 shotting your support because of the bonuses

relics in the relic shrine should be locked during the night, but that will never hapen

Where have we seen this before? Ohh yes, albs dying 10 at a time at amg in OF...
Whats the difference this time?

 

[pinkey]

gratz albs and everyone stop moaning, yes we have ur power relics and yes we have ur strength relics, just have fun trying to get them back ITS ONLY A GAME

 

[Lisaliten]

gratz albs and everyone stop moaning, yes we have ur power relics and yes we have ur strength relics, just have fun trying to get them back ITS ONLY A GAME

ITS ONLY A GAME! so not everyone plays 04.00 AM :worthy:

 

[Vodkafairy]

Vodka, I know that you usually make quite intelligent posts, but what do you want it to turn into? A mass farmage like the last year in OF where alb didnt have a single relic and each primetime raid resulted in the albs getting farmed and/or the server died.

Servers might not die these days but Im willing to bet the farm part will still happen.
And the almost 1½ years straight of status quo where hib had power and mid strength was good for the game? What was the difference that made things so right back then? Was it not the same "dmg loLZ EPEEN KEKEke +++++++111!1" ?

albs actually did some very good raids that succeeded or almost succeeded iirc, at primetime.. dont really see your point there. albs have really good classes for sieging, if a raid fails you really can't blame balance or relics. sure a nuke might do more dmg, but its not really 20% harder nukes that will make one zerg win over another

best is when the relics are neutral really. alb can make really powerful groups, just because almost none do, doesn't mean you need relics to compete.. such a silly thing to say

also, in OF most of the relics were captured at primetime. THATS exactely what makes it right, but it was too hard to retake them.