Relic Raid

[Cerberos]

I think if in general ALL realms did more relic raids primetime then I think this would result in alot more people in RvR being more confident about taking back keeps and not doing AC raids instead, it kinda gives an aura of realm spirit and encourages people to take part in raids and re-takes. It's nice when people get involved and when you see massive battles between realms it actually reminds you why you play this game.

Well said

 

[Jarod]

Well done blatantly missing the point.

And i dont have rights to my own opinions ? wheee thanks

 

[Libertine]

Replace the word albion with "people" and you might get taken seriously. Hibs raid in January was a true alarmclock raid but still you insist on having a go at Albs. Mids have done a fair few over the years too. That's what stinks - the hypocrasy. To be fair to VF, he's the only hib that I remember having a go at the hib ac raid too, so atleast he's consistent if nothing else

I don't agree with AC raids, i won't go on them as they are completely pointless, relic raids should be there for all to have fun, not to knock over some NPC's at 5am.

I use the term "Albion" instead of "people", simply because some or maybe even a majority of those people who took part in the relic raid in the early hours of this morning were on during 'peak' times. So why not do a relic raid then? why wait until most people are in bed to do it when Albion has the highest population on the server?

 

[ilaya]

mids should stfu imo. what little hib support u had to help out was killed by some dickhead called djiin (sp?). this was after much waving hugging etc.. was BLATANTLY clear that we were there to kill you.. just daft laugh spamming pricks like Horner (yes he done it again!)

we tried to cut the alb supply from glenlock by taking 2 towers there.

so kindly stop crying.. only got yourselves to blame. much like what u said to us when hibs lost relics last week.

relic defense starts as soon as one of your towers is under seige. not when the gate is open.

 

[Lethul]

grats us!

 

[Chronictank]

why should mids help hibs?
its hibernia vs midgard vs albion
not hibernia+midgard vs albion

glen was taken back when the albs disapeared
albs logged on at some silly time and took the relics
2 things are completely unrelated

 

[Thorwyn]

that kind of epic feeling

neutral relics and many primetime raids,

see massive battles between realms

so... suddenly zerging is good? Weren´t those "epic battles" considered the ultimate nemesis of all "serious fg vs fg" players? Treated with disgust, nicknamed "roleplaying" and - at best - smiled at? Now all of a sudden, that´s the spirit of the game and how it´s supposed to be played and cheer for the mass battles and lets do something together as a realm? If this would come from some new playes, I´d understand. But from the posters here?!

And anyways... isn´t it the crede of all "serious fg vs fg" guilds to NOT play the game like this, to NOT play it as designed and convert it into a 8vs8 game, sharing keeps in enemy frontiers for some instant RvR action "4tehRPs KEKE"? (And of course expect anyone else to adopt their playstyle, calling people noobs and - again - roleplayers if they dare to take those keeps back?)
Now lets look a bit closer: if changing relics has such an enourmous impact on the balance, wouldn´t RRs be a bad thing, regardless of the time?

It´s amazing, how long-time playes like VF are still getting upset about stuff like this after all those years, and come up with a bunch of weird arguments. Not flaming you personally, just trying to put my finger on the flaws in your POVs.

 

[Bracken]

its quite obvious that its no fucking point doing a primetime raid because you'll only take it back in the morning anyways. and i bet many hibs would do the same if they could, mids aswell.

I wouldn't - ac raids aren't my thing. Sleep > pixels in my book I agree it makes you wonder what the point of doing prime-time raids is when they are then retaken at 5am. Having said that, if realms leave their keeps in enemy hands for hours or days even then I think they only have themselves to blame if a few latenight players take advantage.

 

[Guinever]

3fg of late night players took advantage of a bad prime-time defence. If you can't understand the difference between that and 100 players all logging on at 5am (which is EXACTLY what both hib and mid have done previously) then you must be really blinkered. Then again, most of your posts totally fail to take anything anyone else says on board and you insist on using the oldest generalisations going. Read Anny's posts - it sums it up perfectly. Besides, I've said many times I personally don't like late night raids, but the reason it happened came from poor primetime defence, nothing else. Expecting a few groups of late night players to go "Eh up lads, it's gone midnight let's all go home" is pathetic.

An AC raid, has many factors I said before, one of which going to take the relics at a time they are undefendable... which is what they did. I am also sure there are many things to do at night except take relics.
Besides taking Relics that early is the equivalant of doing pve ain't it ?
Fighting NPC's wit the AI of a chair, really dosn't offer a challenge.
Now please Primetime next time, so they can actually enjoy the raid ? and so we can enjoy it too.
If they are soo keen on taking the relics that is.

 

[Chronictank]

i can garuntee 20% pow and 20% melee make a big difference in fg rvr.
If your a low rr grp you have to play exeedingly well to beat a high rr grp, now try beat a high rr grp who is 3 shotting your support because of the bonuses

relics in the relic shrine should be locked during the night, but that will never hapen

 

[Muylaetrix]

Phew.

I fail to see how a raid that lasted like 14 hours can be called an AC raid.

I started late afternoon with 1 fg on notts 3 and 4, soon i had some friends from KoP/HG join and by the time we hit glenlock t we had the usual BG up whith which we have been trying to get hold of glenlock fast for almost a week now (realm mission).

Constantly we tried to deny mids and hibs the facility to port into odin and we succeeded fairly well at that.

after we took glen after a loooong fight, lost it, and recpatured it, we moved on to fensalir 4. taking and controling it firmly took a long time.

when i said to move on to fensalir 4 people started asking if this is a relic raid to which i answered `if enough people keep up the fight long enough, it`s a relic raid`.

How can a raid that took over half a day be called an AC raid ?

What do all the people like the US players (yes there are some) have to do when europe went to bed ? don`t play rvr at all ?

the spaniards, being in the `latest` time zone of europe will be online a lot later than the scandinavians...

what is prime time ?

It`s easy to call a raid that ended at 715 cet an allarmclock raid, but imho it was nowhere near that tbh...

Just a massive, extra long one.

 

[Javai]

I'd put money on that if Glen hadn't fallen the relics would still be there -but guess we'll never know

Well if Glen hadn't have fallen two things would be true that mean its unlikely th relics would go

1. The late night ALbs wouldn't have all been in one bg and in a 'zerg' - the Glen bg filled up alot around 11.30 when it was clear we were likely to take it.

2. The realm mission wouldn't have changed to opening the str relic wall

Mids out numbered for a good portion of the attack on Glen and could have wiped us easily at least 3 times. First when we moved from T1 to T2 when T1 was broken (before razed). Second when we lost the trebs with 15% left on the wall (alot of Albs wanted to fall back to Glen 4 at that stage). Third we lost about half of Albs to an over zealous push at Mids shortly before new trebs arrived. At each point I was attempting to steer a bg and thought we were gonna wipe but each time Mids failed to press their advantage.

I'm not a big fan of late night raids as they spoil it for those unable to participate in attack OR defense but the earlier attack on Glenlock did set the scene that enabled it to happen.

 

[Chronictank]

Phew.

I fail to see how a raid that lasted like 14 hours can be called an AC raid.

I started late afternoon with 1 fg on notts 3 and 4, soon i had some friends from KoP/HG join and by the time we hit glenlock t we had the usual BG up whith which we have been trying to get hold of glenlock fast for almost a week now (realm mission).

Constantly we tried to deny mids and hibs the facility to port into odin and we succeeded fairly well at that.

after we took glen after a loooong fight, lost it, and recpatured it, we moved on to fensalir 4. taking and controling it firmly took a long time.

when i said to move on to fensalir 4 people started asking if this is a relic raid to which i answered `if enough people keep up the fight long enough, it`s a relic raid`.

How can a raid that took over half a day be called an AC raid ?

What do all the people like the US players (yes there are some) have to do when europe went to bed ? don`t play rvr at all ?

the spaniards, being in the `latest` time zone of europe will be online a lot later than the scandinavians...

what is prime time ?

It`s easy to call a raid that ended at 715 cet an allarmclock raid, but imho it was nowhere near that tbh...

Just a massive, extra long one.

you left glen and disapeared,
glen was retaken still no sign of u
then we log on on the morning o look no relics
hardly a "long raid"

as was said previously why bother taking the relics primetime when you are gona take them when they are undefended

likewise for keeps, why bother holding a defence for 3 hrs when u are just gona wait for people to log before you take the keep again

I for one am not gona bother defending keeps, as im sure a large number of players will do the same.
enjoy your pve

 

[noaim]

the spaniards, being in the `latest` time zone of europe will be online a lot later than the scandinavians...

Timezones go from west to east, not from north to south.

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>you left glen and disapeared,
glen was retaken still no sign of u

we took it back 30 mins or so later..

>>likewise for keeps, why bother holding a defence for 3 hrs when u are just gona wait for people to log before you take the keep again

some people like siege more than roaming in emain i guess.

>>I for one am not gona bother defending keeps, as im sure a large number of players will do the same.

with an attitude like that, you`ll lose relics a lot.

 

[Glenmorangie]

To the albs that were there, stop making excuses for yourself and just admit that it was lame but you were too Title/Relic horny.

To the other albs defending the late night raiders, fu

As for the bonusses, its perhaps not about the 20% difference(though 20% is alot), its more about the random sorcs, infils, scouts, cabbies, you name it, that will be running out in large numbers adding and zerging everything they see...

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>Timezones go from west to east, not from north to south.

a look on the atlas will show that spain is not only to the south which is totally irrelevant, but also a lot more to the (edit stil asleep, lol, i am stupid) west.

 

[Castus]

annoying little prick always trying to provoke me - i dont worry about these things at all. just saying its my opinion and the server would be more fun if there wouldnt be any morning raids.

and for 'my' fg running over soloers, if i can help it not a single soloer that doesn't deserve it will get steamrolled. however you, and almost any other SH member deserve nothing less. many people i left solo only to add on me later, well they are not getting spared again, same goes for "some" people who run with a massive stealthzerg day in day out

lol @ VF grp running round as 8 GODS'thou shalt live. thou shalt not live ' comp BS u kill everything that moves.

 

[noaim]

>>Timezones go from west to east, not from north to south.

a look on the atlas will show that spain is not only to the south which is totally irrelevant, but also a lot more to the east.

Its east of US, I´ll give you that, but from Europe perspective I´d put it to the west.

http://www.worldtimezone.com/index12.html

It is still the same timezone as the rest of europe though. (UK, Finland and maybe some other country excluded)

 

[Glenmorangie]

>>Timezones go from west to east, not from north to south.

a look on the atlas will show that spain is not only to the south which is totally irrelevant, but also a lot more to the east.

Lol, sorry mate, but keep going, its good entertainment

 

[Penguin]

Just a thought, not sure if it's been brought up before but theres always moaning about 3am raids or whatever.

Not only is that pathetic because people can play the game when they want and do what they want tbh, but my point is what about the people who can only play at that time and not prime time? Are they not allowed to take relics? :|

relics in the relic shrine should be locked during the night, but that will never hapen

 

[Calo]

Funnily enough if you had defended Glenlock better at primetime there would have been no chance for people to do a rr raid. I went to bed after Glenlock was taken (before midnight), but knew that mids would totally fail to see the connection between defending badly during primetime and a few groups taking the relics in the night. I'm not a fan of redbull raids or alarmclock raids, but really...you only have yourselves to blame.

ourself? u know why no mids go defend? because albs will do it again and again and again, whats the bloody point of repairing a fucking keep & 1000 towers when YOU ALBS will raid it anyway in the night...

Albs just fail to do primetime raids so they have to lower to nighttime.
thats like what.. 10th nightrelicraid in a row now?

didn't expect anything else tbh...

 

[Bracken]

ourself? u know why no mids go defend? because albs will do it again and again and again, whats the bloody point of repairing a fucking keep & 1000 towers when YOU ALBS will raid it anyway in the night...

Albs just fail to do primetime raids so they have to lower to nighttime.
thats like what.. 10th nightrelicraid in a row now?

didn't expect anything else tbh...

How wrong you are. If the mids at Glenlock had charged anytime between 10.00 and 11.00 last night they would have wiped us and the bg would have disbanded - people were already starting to log by then. It was only because they didnt and we got a hole in the wall that more then came. But as so often, just resort to the same old bull rather than looking at your own realm. Always blaming albs for your own failings is really getting old.

 

[Onlyone]

Phew.


the spaniards, being in the `latest` time zone of europe will be online a lot later than the scandinavians...

what is prime time ?

The spaniards = ??? People from Spain ? I'm one from Custodia and i'm not a person from Spain but Denmark, and what i know its the same time they use as i got in denmark...... CET time.

About Prime Time ...... Well I'm one of those there got workshift so i'm working from 15.30-23.30. Mostly i'm online in the night coz i dont have time to be in game before coz of my work.

 

[Aadia]

I discourage AC raids, from any realm.
But Albion has the greater number, thus makes it easier for them to RR, but Albs still wanna do it when no one is on, which is beyond me.
In Hib it takes weeks to organise a 100 man force, in Albion it's always present in rvr.
So instead of trying to defend a dumb cause, why not try and encourage Primetime raids ?
Or is it that u think albion is above AC ?

Hmmm let me help each of you mids and hibs out...
Last night step by step:
- KoP/HG go out and take 1-2? towers from Glen at around 8-9 pm gmt.
- We lose at least 1 tower as mids came steamrolling by.
- We thought to have a go at the realm mission after that and opened up the bg for all albs that wanted to join in as we can't take a keep lvl 8? with 1.5-2fg. (You still with me?)
- BG gets opened up, albs start dropping in one by one for about hmm 1 hour.
- We are at that point i guess about 4-5 fg's (for those who can't calculate that's about 32-40 peeps)
- The guardspam of the tower KoP was holding reported 50-80 mids.
- Mids could have whiped us at any time for over 2 hours yet they didn't.
- With about the 3rd group coming in with trebs as the 2 previous sets had been shot to hell we managed to get the wall finally down after 1-2 hours.

I guess by that time mids just couldn't bear the thought of running all the way from their portal keep as they couldn't port anywhere near due to hibs/albs previous takes of towers.

- We managed to take the full realm mission at midnight.
- Loads of ppl logged, i think the left overs existed of about 2-3fg (but i guess they can tell you themselves how many they were)
- Seeing as so many were still on (yes i do realise alot of ppl didn't need to go to school/work but wouldn't you keep playing if you didn't have to get up early?) they decided to take blend i believe they said. I guess cuz mids lack of defence again they decided to take more and in the end relic.

Now tell me... how the fuck is that a retarded alb raid or even an AC relicraid?

I am not too pleased about the fact the rest of the albs took the relics after we all set up the hard work in taking the realm mission but hey... that's life and we/you aren't the onlyone playing this game.

 

[scorge]

Fuck me you would think these relics were real with the amount of whines that go on..

 

[Light]

i blame the warlock

 

[Aadia]

would be nice if people could just stop and think whats best fun for all and the best overall way to have this server - neutral relics and many primetime raids, whether they fail or not. but nooo... dmg loLZ EPEEN KEKEke +++++++111!1

Feck me... and i thought this game was developed to kill the other 2 enemy realms for bonuses etc. I guess Mythic must have thought the same way as you... that's why they have relics in first place/missions to encourage ppl to take keeps and relics

Yeah we just don't see what mythic designed this game for

 

[scorge]

Feck me... and i thought this game was developed to kill the other 2 enemy realms for bonuses etc. I guess Mythic must have thought the same way as you... that's why they have relics in first place/missions to encourage ppl to take keeps and relics

Yeah we just don't see what mythic designed this game for

/agree

whine at mythic for including relics dont whine at players, also righnow GoA ask them if the servers can only be up between 1600gmt and 2300 gmt , am sure they will agree to this as it is what the players seem to want.

 

[Ghaladriel]

i blame the warlock

Me too

xD :worthy: