Nerf Mid please...

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by Freppe^^
ur skilled m8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111oooonneeeee :great:

thx

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by schinkaar
So you dont get skill by practice?

I guess it depends on how you define 'skill'.


In any case, as JH are so skilled it must be incredibly tedious to keep meeting single RR4 groups of enemies anyway, so I don't see why he complains when there's a challenge for them. Beating 2fg is a bigger ego trip, etc.

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Nolby lost to some Hib random grp that was half Bulle peeps at about 1am that i noticed that was about only one that stuck out :E

And ye it isnt hard to shread noob unbalenced 1fg to sometimes 3fg of Hibs and Albs but then i've seen Garbs group do the same, The groups that take time to beat and can go either way are mainly

Garbs l33t setup caster group (Not the CF random grps) for general good skills all round and a sweet class balence
Bulle for general good assist, teamplay and a well blaenced tank setup
IG for pretty much the same reasons as Bulle
BF Well what you can you say played together for ages high rr and general good skills (Only Alb group that can be nasty even with RA's down)
FC when they have all RA's up and Konah's not the MA, Mainly due to them having the best mezzer in Alb (Hotrats) even though he's a whining bitch
VGN can sometimes be nasty with there 16 man FG's
LA On the odd time their comedy mallet heros can be arsed to assist

The above guilds on the whole butcher most Mid groups even though in Mid you supposidly cant lose a fight as a savage grp :/
Most other groups are running crap setups and these are the ones that whine the most

Dont expect your 1 cleric 4 cabbie 3 2h Pally groups to beat Nolby because they wont, Dont expect your rr3 average groups to beat rr7-10 average groups as they wont as RR gives huge advantages in the abilitys you have.

No Mid isnt hard to play, Yes Savages are the leet of all tanks in DAOC but not to the extent as whats said, 2 Savages in a group is not "insta win" it never was and it never will be but i have no sympathy for people with noob group setups that whine that they cant beat Nolby, none at all.

Bring on the Savage nerf imo as the well setup guilds will carry on being a good fight and the noobs will still be wiped in seconds.

that loss was with pac,skald, and a savage ld

 

[old.arneduck]

Xanatea/Teador: dont come and think there is some "magic" way of killing a well played mid fotm-group (atm. only 2 guilds or so do it good enough, but nm...) by just doing the best tank setup, because all of the hib rvr-guilds run that way most of times nowdays and heck it doesnt help much.
(yeah LA might have BM-shortage, only 1 active atm, but LW/CS hero isnt bad either)

3 bm's would win over you? pls, not when your 3 tanks outdamage our 3 tanks, AND on top of this you run around with the best damn healer class, and 3 of them... 3xPR, 3x all instas you may have etc etc.
AND perma sprint in rvr (should have atleast imo), AND insta pbae disease, AND asd, AND whatever else etc...


Teador should pwn first, brag on BW after imo

 

[tildson]

that fight today? had just beat LA and were pretty oop, had a RM in group too :> strong kobbie

 

[Xeanor]

Originally posted by old.arneduck
Xanatea/Teador: dont come and think there is some "magic" way of killing a well played mid fotm-group (atm. only 2 guilds or so do it good enough, but nm...) by just doing the best tank setup, because all of the hib rvr-guilds run that way most of times nowdays and heck it doesnt help much.
(yeah LA might have BM-shortage, only 1 active atm, but LW/CS hero isnt bad either)

3 bm's would win over you? pls, not when your 3 tanks outdamage our 3 tanks, AND on top of this you run around with the best damn healer class, and 3 of them... 3xPR, 3x all instas you may have etc etc.
AND perma sprint in rvr (should have atleast imo), AND insta pbae disease, AND asd, AND whatever else etc...


Teador should pwn first, brag on BW after imo

Where did i brag?

And if hib grp uses defensive hero and mid grp uses 3 savages and no warrior, they shouldn't be "impossible" at all

 

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
everytime i meet ss they are 2 fg, have had maybe 1 or 2 encounters with 1 fg. I dont care, if you enjoy that play that way. But i can say from the reciving end of the stick. BF and FC are M U C H thougher than anything i have seen ss field. Maybe i have yet to see your "best guild group"

Sorry if i enjoy running with 1 good fg, its horrible that some people like to play like that isnt it? =(

And belomar, where did i get owned? =O

I dont see him whining that you run 2 FG, maybe its in the context, maybe its in your mind . I do however see him saying that he doesnt care if u run 2 FG.

 

[sauna-]

Originally posted by sorusi
that loss was with pac,skald, and a savage ld

Yeah had to be something wrong, you could never lose or actually meet a group that played better than you in a fight .

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by Asha
And when was the last time your saw a BF gg?

Saturday

 

[old.arneduck]

Originally posted by tildson
that fight today? had just beat LA and were pretty oop, had a RM in group too :> strong kobbie

havnt played today yet, so i wouldnt know sorry... and the fact that you put in a caster doesnt mean you cant run with the 3xHealer, 1xShammy-setup.


Teador: ehm guard vs 3 savages? please mate
im a defencive hero (luri, usually 333 dex, 50+16 sheild atm, mob1, 2 soon), and there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you can save anything vs 3 savages...
well sometimes you get lucky and block a whole quad etc, but not often enough. i can tell you its frustrating to say the least to see the difference between savages and practically ANY other class in the game. i can laugh at albs attacking my support (excal albs ). savages laugh at me ><

and slamming is also next to impossible on savages with all the evade (i rather just whip up LW and anni them real fast...)

 

[Xeanor]

Originally posted by old.arneduck
Teador: ehm guard vs 3 savages? please mate
im a defencive hero (luri, usually 333 dex, 50+16 sheild atm, mob1, 2 soon), and there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you can save anything vs 3 savages...
well sometimes you get lucky and block a whole quad etc, but not often enough. i can tell you its frustrating to say the least to see the difference between savages and practically ANY other class in the game. i can laugh at albs attacking my support (excal albs ). savages laugh at me ><

and slamming is also next to impossible on savages with all the evade (i rather just whip up LW and anni them real fast...)

It's not really about the savage damage... but if theyre all hitting on your druid and you're guarding, and they don't have a warrior with guard, then your tanks damage > their tanks damage, and it should be well possible to win :O I'm not saying at all it's easy and you will win 100% sure... but it surely ain't a "overpowered indestructible fotm savage grp". It's the toughest enemies out there, but surely not unbeatable And I'm not saying I will win everything, or whatever you might think

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by old.arneduck
Teador: ehm guard vs 3 savages? please mate
im a defencive hero (luri, usually 333 dex, 50+16 sheild atm, mob1, 2 soon), and there is NO CHANCE IN HELL you can save anything vs 3 savages...

325 dex, 50+17 shield, MoB2 here, I blocked 5 hits vs Nuked in one round, guess what? He still died during the same round, gg balance XD

 

[Xeanor]

Originally posted by Eleasias
325 dex, 50+17 shield, MoB2 here, I blocked 5 hits vs Nuked in one round, guess what? He still died during the same round, gg balance XD

There's not much you can do when there's 3 savages on someone in cloth....

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Xeanor
It's not really about the savage damage... but if theyre all hitting on your druid and you're guarding, and they don't have a warrior with guard, then your tanks damage > their tanks damage, and it should be well possible to win :O

Wait and see, I'll bet your opinions have changed quite a lot after you see some real savage fotm'ing instead of those even-more-newbie than our fotm-newbies BO's on Pryd

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Xeanor
There's not much you can do when there's 3 savages on someone in cloth....

Same thing goes for druids, heroes, whatever. Even if you block 50% of 3 savs hits your guarded target is still gonna get creamed in a few rounds, way faster than BMs deal damage. (insta pbae dis, perma end = harder to catch mids etc.)

 

[Asha]

parl was a special occation :x

then your tanks damage > their tanks damage, and it should be well possible to win :O

Except their 3x healers with instas + shamie are going to way out heal albs or hibs (esp if in range to interupt). If you do manage to kill something it will just get PR'ed instantly and you're back to square one.

Anyhow talk to you after you've tried it for awhile.

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by Freppe^^
not rly, but against lethul, to see how hes been changing since hes savage got 'good'. Pretty sad sight tbh.

ye, nice to see how you changed when my savage dinged 50 to

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Asha
parl was a special occation :x



Except their 3x healers with instas + shamie are going to way out heal albs or hibs (esp if in range to interupt).

hibs can field 3 druids+bard which have equal healing powers

Originally posted by Asha
If you do manage to kill something it will just get PR'ed instantly and you're back to square one.

Anyhow talk to you after you've tried it for awhile. [/B]

no your not back to square one, the char that is pr'd has no buffs, gogo healer with no buffs and 1300hp that is instantly re cc'd and any class with no buffs sucks, PR is basically a lv40 rez without the rezsick.

Anyhow talk to you after you know what your talking about.

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by Pin
It's not every time, but well if you think it's fun for you to play the game chewing through anything that comes at you with little chance on the other side then great.

>_ I _< (as in me, my point of view doenst represent the other realms/my realm, onlymyself)

It's certainly not fun from the other side.

And if there's a RR7-9 Savage gank group around and we have 2 groups mostly RR3-5 in different parts of the zone we'll team upto face you. We're not (quite) so stupid as to go seperately just to tick up your RP counters another 5k.

And i said i didnt care or didnt mind about that, yes?



Enjoy to play what way? Enjoy to 'challenge' you as 1fg, die in 30secs, and spend another 15 minutes porting and buffing? Or enjoy keeping track of where you are to stay on the opposite side of the zone as you?

i enjoy to win, i have always enjoyed to win. i enjoy to play with JH, most of them share my opinion so i dont get flamed etc for my outburst. We get along etc, i dont see why i would find it boring?

I'm not saying ANY group that SS can put together will be able to challenge you on even numbers, you have everything stacked in your favour. Experience, realm rank, classes and routine.

yepp

And of course a BF/FC group will put up a better fight, they average 3+ RR higher than us. They play in the same groups each day. They all play longer hours and won't leave the tk unless they have everything they need, etc.

as i see it here. "They play in the same groups each day. They all play longer hours and won't leave the tk unless they have everything they need" pretty much what i meant with 1fg practise etc. JH also plays togehter, same ppl. Small guild, we are bound to get to know eachotehrs playstyle etc.


You don't run in '1 good fg'. You run in a group which is leagues ahead of the other realms' best groups. You run in a fixed group with the same players for 6+ hours every session.

Well, according to alot of people on irc and watching deathspam there certainly is alot of savages groups that aint "unbeatable". But to be able to beat them you need to have an "opted" group to and when BF on vacation and FC dont seem very active (might be wrong here, or they went odin's )

You have 3 (?) full aug shamans for the group sat in the safety of the pk, so your precious Savages don't lose any effectiveness when a support char or 2 drops.

yepp

You play the game as pure routine, churning through enemies as they come to you, crying about unfair play whenever you die to larger numbers, caring little for anyone elses enjoyment of the game when you mow them over for the 10th time in a row. You throw 'insults' around at anyone who isn't in the position to dedicate their lives to 'building the perfect group', failing to realise that a VERY large portion of the game's population lacks the time or finances to do everything required to compete with you on 'equal terms'.

No, Yes, No, No, No, No, No



So, keep thinking you are on the moral high-ground as much as you want, but basically it just comes down to you and your friends having more time on their hands.

It's not 'skills', it's just practice.

and you dont get skill by practice? i would like to see you win 100m sprint next OS.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Pin
You have 3 (?) full aug shamans for the group sat in the safety of the pk, so your precious Savages don't lose any effectiveness when a support char or 2 drops.

I dont know where your going with this as its the second time ive seen you make this comment, i know SS has at least 7-8 bufbots, yours and a few others lv50.

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by sauna-
Yeah had to be something wrong, you could never lose or actually meet a group that played better than you in a fight .

if we lost due to that i would have said that we fucked up but i cant recall such a fight this week (we have done small errors, but never as big as fucking up and looseing to 1fg)

we did loose 1 fg fight howerver ( no adds before etc), it was vs vgn i think they had void debuffer - didnt really expect that but that tactic is REALLY powerfull

 

[Petronella]

Originally posted by froler-mid
go pwn pryd fotm mid groups then

What Fröler said

 

[hotrat]

Originally posted by Pin

You don't run in '1 good fg'. You run in a group which is leagues ahead of the other realms' best groups. You run in a fixed group with the same players for 6+ hours every session. You have 3 (?) full aug shamans for the group sat in the safety of the pk, so your precious Savages don't lose any effectiveness when a support char or 2 drops.

You play the game as pure routine, churning through enemies as they come to you, crying about unfair play whenever you die to larger numbers, caring little for anyone elses enjoyment of the game when you mow them over for the 10th time in a row. You throw 'insults' around at anyone who isn't in the position to dedicate their lives to 'building the perfect group', failing to realise that a VERY large portion of the game's population lacks the time or finances to do everything required to compete with you on 'equal terms'.

So, keep thinking you are on the moral high-ground as much as you want, but basically it just comes down to you and your friends having more time on their hands.

It's not 'skills', it's just practice.

Pin > JH

no your not back to square one, the char that is pr'd has no buffs, gogo healer with no buffs and 1300hp that is instantly re cc'd and any class with no buffs sucks, PR is basically a lv40 rez without the rezsick

Not half as weak as a rezzed sorc is

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by Rollie
hibs can field 3 druids+bard which have equal healing powers

Sounds very scary. Why anyone would want 3 druids, I have no idea. Try again.

no your not back to square one, the char that is pr'd has no buffs, gogo healer with no buffs and 1300hp that is instantly re cc'd and any class with no buffs sucks, PR is basically a lv40 rez without the rezsick.

Anyhow talk to you after you know what your talking about.

Lvl 40 rez gives back full power now??? Wow, hadn’t noticed. You are back to square one because that char is back to full health FULL POWER and full end. It’s SO hard for one of the 3 other buffers (who will have a lot of con because bots are so damn common) to throw some buffs their way. Anyhow attention isn’t on the just rezzed because your tanks will have ofc moved on. Where as in the time it took your group to kill that healer or shamie three or four savages will have ripped through your sorc and be half done with your cleric. So any CC is coming from your mincer – ours are good so they normally spot that. However that doesn’t kill the freshly PR’ed char, and if they were first target then they prolly have purge up.

I don’t know what I’m talking about? Oh sorry I though my guild and FC were the only two alb guilds being listed as any good. I am a core member of that guild, but I don’t know what I’m talking about. I haven’t played as many realms as you have tho, so maybe I don’t have you’re “experience”.


My point to Xeanor wasn’t that he doesn’t have experience btw. My point was if he hasn’t played vs NP and JH, then I will talk to him after that. Mid/Pryd just doesn’t have those kinds of groups running. I don’t’ think I said it offensively. Just no point arguing with someone til they see what we are talking about.

 

[Stormm]

no matter how good u guys - np/jh think you are, you could not do the same in albion. its more the realm and what it offers than skill. believe what u like.

 

[ormagaa]

Originally posted by sorusi
that loss was with pac,skald, and a savage ld

Whine

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by Asha
Sounds very scary. Why anyone would want 3 druids, I have no idea. Try again.

maybe to increase heal power?

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Asha
Sounds very scary. Why anyone would want 3 druids, I have no idea. Try again.

2 druids for healing, 1 for insta aoe root etc ????

You really do need to get a clue, same reason we have 3 healers

2 for heals, 1 for cc.

ww.ebay.com here go buy a clue :great:

Originally posted by Asha
Lvl 40 rez gives back full power now??? Wow, hadn’t noticed. You are back to square one because that char is back to full health FULL POWER and full end. It’s SO hard for one of the 3 other buffers (who will have a lot of con because bots are so damn common) to throw some buffs their way. Anyhow attention isn’t on the just rezzed because your tanks will have ofc moved on. Where as in the time it took your group to kill that healer or shamie three or four savages will have ripped through your sorc and be half done with your cleric. So any CC is coming from your mincer – ours are good so they normally spot that. However that doesn’t kill the freshly PR’ed char, and if they were first target then they prolly have purge up.

I don’t know what I’m talking about? Oh sorry I though my guild and FC were the only two alb guilds being listed as any good. I am a core member of that guild, but I don’t know what I’m talking about. I haven’t played as many realms as you have tho, so maybe I don’t have you’re “experience”.

No you dont know what your talking about regarding healers, go play one at lv50 and then come and tell me, until then keep looking at daoc.catacombs and telling me how things are done.

And attention isnt on me after i just been PR'd? again please go play a healer and you will know, until then your just another if's, but's and this one time at bandcamp person.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by schinkaar
lol Pin you flame a guy giving you advice? And i dont get why he got "pwned" either, anyways fun fun thread keep it up .

You call Lethul's post "giving us advice"? I see petty, elitistic retorts from a high-RR member of a dedicated RvR guild to the humble statement of a hybrid PvE/RvR guild (a statement that could even have been taken as praise). But then again, this attitude is not unexpected.

And yes, Pin pwned you by pointing out your hypocracy, and it seems you even now are too blind to see it.

Anyway, I would never mention SS RvR groups in the same sentence as FC or, especially, BF guild groups (oops, I just did). First of all, our goals are quite different from the latter two guilds, and secondly, we would not aspire to have the RvR experience/skill and RRs of FC and BF as well.

Oh, and Blazor, don't mind Pin, I would love to duel your FoM guild groups. I just by default lub every Mid group I see that does not contain any savages.

 

[Belomar]

Oh, and just read on further in the thread to see Pin pwning you badly once again.

Oh, and Rollie? Keep on licking up to JH, I am sure they are taking notes.