Losing Weight

[Zita]

Pretty much the same as the rest of the guys have said. It does indeed take a while to notice changes, and to build muscle. I personaly would highly recomend going to the gym, as it is the best source of exercise, in my opinion. Dont calorie count, again thats just my opinion, just eat a bit less. Cut out choclate, crisps, fizy drinks. Drink water and the occasional glass of orange juice / squash, also milk. Thats the main think to sort your diet out, get ride of those crap just listed. When I do my weights down the gym for maybe 1 hour 30 mins, I find it helps lose alot more calories than doing 30 mins on a rowwer would do. But its all down to you, get into a decent way of losing weight, and doing what exercise you like.

Only do press-ups and sit-ups on its own, are indeed pointless

 

[tris-]

zita, im not sure about the weights burning cals than CV.

me and vlad worked out something like a 170kg deadlift uses only 1 calorie per repetition!

i reckon its just the perception of energy loss, and the central nervous system getting owned.

 

[Lamp]

A fat man who had tried every diet in the world in an attempt to lose weight. He just got fatter and fatter. One day, he noticed an ad in the local paper:

Lose weight, Only $1.00 a pound, Call (202) 555-0238

The man decided to give it a try and called the number. A voice on the other end asked, "How much weight do you want to lose?"

The man responded, "Ten pounds."

The voice replied, "Very well, give me your credit card number and we'll have a representative over to your house in the morning."

About 9:00 am the next morning the man gets a knock on the door. There stood a beautiful redhead, completely naked except for a sign around her neck stating, "If you catch me, you can fuck me senseless !!"

The man then chased her upstairs, downstairs, over sofas, through the kitchen, all around the house. Finally, panting and wheezing like a dog, he did catch her. When he was finished shagging her, she said, "Quick, go into the bathroom and weigh yourself." He did just that and was amazed to find that he had lost ten pounds !

That evening he called the number again. The voice on the other end asked, "How much weight do you want to lose?"--to which the somewhat-less-overweight man replied, "Twenty pounds."

"Very well," the voice on the phone told him, "Give me your credit card number and we"ll have a representative over to your house in the morning."

At about 8:00 am the next morning the man receives a knock on the door. When he opens the door he sees a beautiful blonde dressed only in track shoes and a sign around her neck stating, "If you catch me, you can fuck me senseless !!" The chase took a good while longer this time and the man nearly passed out, but he finally did catch her. When he was through she told him, "Quick,run into the bathroom and weigh yourself." He ran to the bathroom and found he had lost another 20 pounds!

"This is fantastic!" he thought to himself. Later that evening the called the number again and the voice at the other end asked, "How much weight do you want to lose?"

"75 pounds!" the man exclaimed.

"75 pounds?" the voice asked, "That's an awful lot of weight to lose at one time." The man replied,"Listen buddy, here's my credit card number, you just have your representative over here in the morning!" and he hung up the phone.

About 6:00 am the next morning the man gets out of bed, splashes on some cologne and gets all ready for the next representative.

At about 7:00 am he gets a knock on the door. When he opens the door, he sees this large mountain gorilla with a sign around his neck stating, "IF I CATCH YOU, I'M GONNA FUCK YOUR ASS OFF !"

 

[- English -]

whats wrong with diet coke?

fresh orange has calories. the aim of the game here is to avoid the excess calories. if you wanted 3 sweet drinks a day, trying to lose weight with all the calories you need coming from the meals, then 3 fresh orange would hamper that.

diet on the other hand is nearly zero calories. a 250ml serving of OJ has 30g of fructose, which is 120 calories. thats the same as a sugar cola, but the fructose wont cause a spike and dip like sugar cola.

although isnt bahu diabetic? so he wont be drinking the sugar colas anyway

Losing weight isnt just about the calories. Yes sure if u had significantly less you would starve yourself and lose weight that way. Eating the good stuff on the other hand and you will find it is very hard to put weight on, as the good stuff doesn't include pointless fats and useless other things. There are 2 types of fat, and to put it shorts there's bad fat (mc donalds) and good fats (nuts).

Diet coke may have 0 calories, but for 1 it is full of aspartame and we all know what that's about. 2nd it just has no goodness, full of E numbers, it isnt natural and tbh its full of shit and i wouldn't touch it with a stick, id rather have normal coke. On the other hand having an orange juice, full of vitamins, minerals and is 1 of your 5 a day and is obviously better for you.

 

[Zita]

zita, im not sure about the weights burning cals than CV.

me and vlad worked out something like a 170kg deadlift uses only 1 calorie per repetition!

i reckon its just the perception of energy loss, and the central nervous system getting owned.

Thats a deadlift, doing about 15 reps with say a 30kg weight shoulder press, would lose a hell of ALOT more calories. Seeing as i only do about 20 mins of CV and 1 hour 40 mins doing weights in the gym, every day of the week, I believe it helps you more.

 

[- English -]

english, where did you get this info that bread stays in your body for 3 weeks and is useless calories?

Its just something I heard will try look up the fact.

 

[tris-]

Losing weight isnt just about the calories.

yes it is. you cannot dodge thermodynamics.

take the body as a closed system. the system requires 10 calories to sustain its self.
you give the system 10 calories. the system stays balanced.

you give the system 5 calories. it is no longer balanced, but it MUST be because physics says it must. so the system (body), takes 5 calories from the fat stores. its now balanced. you have now used fat. your body mass has now reduced.

you give the system 15 calories. it uses 10 to sustain, there is 5 spare. there is no additional requirements on the system to use energy so it is stored as fat. you have gained body fat. your body mass has increased.

now if you add exercise, weights etc the demands on the system increase. so it doesnt need 10 anymore, it needs 20. so if you only take 10 calories, the system is getting energy from fat. if you give it 30 calories, its sending 10 calories off to build muscle. cant build muscle? its going to get stored as fat.

and i have no idea what youre talking about suggesting healthy food doesnt increase weight. i eat 6 'healthy' meals a day and im gaining weight nicely at 0.5lb a week or so. it is exactly about calories. lets do an experiment if you want? add to your diet 500g of oats per day and come back in a week and tell me healthy food with high calories doesnt cause you to gain weight. or if you want, add in 2 litres of fresh orange a day since you think it wont cause weight gain. equally, just drop one meal per day from your diet and see what weight loss you get. a few weeks ago infact i was losing weight from not eating enough, and all i did different was goto work. its not demanding, i dont know what happend but it obviously requires extra calories so i have to eat them. previous to that, the same number of calories was causing a weight gain.

zita, well have to agree to disagree. to me doing 180+kg deadlifts for reps is a fuck load more taxing than a 30kg shoulder press for 15 reps

 

[- English -]

Why is white bread bad? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[tris-]

Why is white bread bad? - Yahoo! Answers

i personally dont trust yahoo answers. but if you eat a shit diet with white bread i wouldnt be suprised if lack of fibre caused it to stay in the gut for a good while.

no offence english, but a lot of your knowledge doesnt seem correct. especially what you say on calories, and going by "things you heard". if you want to improve it i can hook you up with a reliable website.

 

[- English -]

yes it is. you cannot dodge thermodynamics.

take the body as a closed system. the system requires 10 calories to sustain its self.
you give the system 10 calories. the system stays balanced.

you give the system 5 calories. it is no longer balanced, but it MUST be because physics says it must. so the system (body), takes 5 calories from the fat stores. its now balanced. you have now used fat. your body mass has now reduced.

you give the system 15 calories. it uses 10 to sustain, there is 5 spare. there is no additional requirements on the system to use energy so it is stored as fat. you have gained body fat. your body mass has increased.

now if you add exercise, weights etc the demands on the system increase. so it doesnt need 10 anymore, it needs 20. so if you only take 10 calories, the system is getting energy from fat. if you give it 30 calories, its sending 10 calories off to build muscle. cant build muscle? its going to get stored as fat.

and i have no idea what youre talking about suggesting healthy food doesnt increase weight. i eat 6 'healthy' meals a day and im gaining weight nicely at 0.5lb a week or so. it is exactly about calories. lets do an experiment if you want? add to your diet 500g of oats per day and come back in a week and tell me healthy food with high calories doesnt cause you to gain weight. or if you want, add in 2 litres of fresh orange a day since you think it wont cause weight gain. equally, just drop one meal per day from your diet and see what weight loss you get. a few weeks ago infact i was losing weight from not eating enough, and all i did different was goto work. its not demanding, i dont know what happend but it obviously requires extra calories so i have to eat them. previous to that, the same number of calories was causing a weight gain.

zita, well have to agree to disagree. to me doing 180+kg deadlifts for reps is a fuck load more taxing than a 30kg shoulder press for 15 reps

ok let me give my examples

A Big Mac contains 500 calories about. You have 4 of them a day which = 2000 calories. Good luck losing weight by only eating 3 big macs a day. Its full of bad fats, no goodness except 2 gerkins and pointless carbs from white bread.

Its not just about the calories, its about your diet in general. If I have 1500 calories divided of Porridge (for breaky), Salad For lunch, Tuna Steaks for tea etc, You would drop the pounds off in months if you include exercise also. 1500 is too less for me its just an example.

My point is its not just about the calories its what you eat which makes your body determine if it wants to lose weight.

Its just science.

 

[- English -]

i personally dont trust yahoo answers. but if you eat a shit diet with white bread i wouldnt be suprised if lack of fibre caused it to stay in the gut for a good while.

no offence english, but a lot of your knowledge doesnt seem correct. especially what you say on calories, and going by "things you heard". if you want to improve it i can hook you up with a reliable website.

Thats just 1 of the many websites on the net about white bread. Just google " white bread facts "

 

[tris-]

well then try my experiment. add 2 litres of OJ a day and tell me healthy food does not increase your weight.
it is about calories, that is the fact of the matter. a calorie is a unit of energy, the body is a system.

give your body too many calories, they are stored as fat. energy cannot simply dissappear, that would break the laws of physics. it has to be converted from one form or another.

what happens if a lightbulb recieves too many volts? the element burns out, it cannot dissipate the heat quick enough to stop it melting. thankfully your body is more technical. give it too many 'volts' and it stores them in a different form (fat).

give the lightbulb too few volts and it will be dim. sadly a lightbulb cannot store and convert energy so it can never get brighter without more volts.
give your body too few volts, it can break down fat to convert it to useable energy. if there is no fat, it can use muscle. if there is no muscle, you die.

 

[Bahumat]

whats wrong with diet coke?

fresh orange has calories. the aim of the game here is to avoid the excess calories. if you wanted 3 sweet drinks a day, trying to lose weight with all the calories you need coming from the meals, then 3 fresh orange would hamper that.

diet on the other hand is nearly zero calories. a 250ml serving of OJ has 30g of fructose, which is 120 calories. thats the same as a sugar cola, but the fructose wont cause a spike and dip like sugar cola.

although isnt bahu diabetic? so he wont be drinking the sugar colas anyway

Yeah baby im shooting up with my insulin!

 

[- English -]

well then try my experiment. add 2 litres of OJ a day and tell me healthy food does not increase your weight.
it is about calories, that is the fact of the matter. a calorie is a unit of energy, the body is a system.

give your body too many calories, they are stored as fat. energy cannot simply dissappear, that would break the laws of physics. it has to be converted from one form or another.

what happens if a lightbulb recieves too many volts? the element burns out, it cannot dissipate the heat quick enough to stop it melting. thankfully your body is more technical. give it too many 'volts' and it stores them in a different form (fat).

have too much fibre or protein and your body shits it out. Fat is different, your right if you have too much your going to store it. Your going to gain more benefit from nut fat than saturated fat though.

 

[tris-]

protein isnt "shit" out.

it is converted to amino acids.
some is used to synthesis tissue.
some is converted to glucose.
some is disposed off through urea.

fibre does not provide any calories that can be used by the body.

im not talking about fat, im talking about CALORIES. eating fat doesnt make you fat, eating too many over all calories makes you fat.

eat many CALORIES, the body stores that energy into another form of energy (muscle or fat).

 

[- English -]

You could alternatively try my experiment of eating 3 big macs a day and try losing weight that way ;p

 

[tris-]

why the fucking hell would i want to eat food like that?

no doubt, 1500 calories would cause me to lose weight. i eat 3200 a day as it is and only gain 2lbs a month.

but youre the one who has doubts, you believe healthy food does not cause weight gain, it does. if you eat too many calories.
i eat 90% healthy food and im gaining weight. so unless im lieing, youre wrong.

 

[- English -]

Tris i think we are arguing different points.

My point is if you eat 1500 of bad food and 1500 of good food you aren't going to lose weight if you take the 1500 of bad food to 1000 bad food.

 

[Bahumat]

Everything Tris says makes sense. I do think English has a good point, but I'd never want to live off big macs. I try and be versatile but I dont like many veg so its kinda hard to eat meals you dont enjoy

As for drinks - I am diabetic like Tris said so i drink diet coke or coke zero if i go out etc (I do like a Magners but I dont drink much alcohol).
I do try and drink water/white tea when at home so I am quite good in that respect.

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

[Bahumat]

have too much fibre or protein and your body shits it out. Fat is different, your right if you have too much your going to store it. Your going to gain more benefit from nut fat than saturated fat though.

protein isnt "shit" out.

it is converted to amino acids.
some is used to synthesis tissue.
some is converted to glucose.
some is disposed off through urea.

fibre does not provide any calories that can be used by the body.

im not talking about fat, im talking about CALORIES. eating fat doesnt make you fat, eating too many over all calories makes you fat.

eat many CALORIES, the body stores that energy into another form of energy (muscle or fat).

Tris is correct about not shitting protein out. The reason I know this is because of diabetes, we have to watch our protein due to it turning into glucose. They basically said dont just eat tons of meat, eggs etc all week.

What you said about shitting it out, my friend has this sometimes but he drinks protein shakes as he does weight training etc. I think because its not a natural source of protein?

 

[tris-]

Tris i think we are arguing different points.

My point is if you eat 1500 of bad food and 1500 of good food you aren't going to lose weight if you take the 1500 of bad food to 1000 bad food.

you might not lose scale weight because without the fibre youre gonna be storing shit for weeks. but your body would burn fat/muscle, no doubt. how else would it survive, just kill its self? if your body needs 2000 calories a day, and you give it only 1500 a day youre short 500 calories. where will they come from?

the calories will come from fat/muscle otherwise the only other option is you die. how do you explain the body being able to function without the required energy?
if you eat 1 big mac a day for a month youd be close to death no doubt.
if you eat 500 calories in oats per day for a month, youd be in the same situation

I think because its not a natural source of protein?

it is, whey is made from milk. and its probably whey he drinks.
drinking lots of whey can give you the shits.

 

[- English -]

Well I think I'm right to my own argument and that you have taken my argument and blown it up into proportion. (with the 2litre of orange juice thing )

I believe that 2000 good calories vs 2000 bad calories theirs only 1 winner if you want to lose weight. (to my point = diet)

Ive been eating healthy now, (very healthy) for 4 weeks. I have actually put 1lb on as im going to the gym 5 days a week weight training so to me thats a sign im gaining muscle. If i wasn't weight training and did CV im sure id lose weight.

 

[Bahumat]

Well I think I'm right to my own argument and that you have taken my argument and blown it up into proportion. (with the 2litre of orange juice thing )

I believe that 2000 good calories vs 2000 bad calories theirs only 1 winner if you want to lose weight. (to my point = diet)

Ive been eating healthy now, (very healthy) for 4 weeks. I have actually put 1lb on as im going to the gym 5 days a week weight training so to me thats a sign im gaining muscle. If i wasn't weight training and did CV im sure id lose weight.

I would agree that 2000 good calories are better than 2000 bad. But you guys started arguing about 3 big macs and 2 litres of oj plus tons of oatmeal. They are all bad in their extremes.

@ Tris, cause of diabetes I buy oj or apple juice which is Not concerntrate, nor full of added sugars so that's another good thing on my list woo!

 

[tris-]

can you please explain to me how the above scenario works though?

if you do not give the body enough calories, where does the energy come from? fat/muscle, can we agree on that?

if you have no fat/muscle and not enough calories, you die eventually. can we agree on that?

but what youre actually saying is 1500 calories from a big mac, will somehow be registered as more calories by the body? therefore stopping it from requireing the energy it needed, before you ate the big mac?

im sorry man, it just does not make sense. i cannot understand what youre telling me here.

i cant make it any more simple either, the facts that is. lets say you have a car, give it 10 litres of fuel. you use them all up because the engine required all 10litres. now, the car will stop, right?
same thing, but youve got a reserve can of fuel and can give it some more. the car can keep going, right? because it requires more fuel.

for the body, fuel is calories. reserve tank is fat/muscle. apply it to the body and this is how it works, in a basic sense.

the fact youve gained a lb is down to the following -

youve increased body fat
or
youve added muscle

BOTH OF THESE CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH EXCESS CALORIES.

if you stopped going to the gym and still kept the diet, youd probably gain weight faster. it would be near on IMPOSSIBLE to lose weight, if youre gaining it now. building muscle and CV exercise both requires extra fuel. if you stopped exercising, how could you possibly lose weight? with the same calorie intake, it would increase.

bahu: i believe from concentrate means the following -

at the origin, they have x litres of fruit juice. they remove y litres of water and now that leaves a concetrated fruit juice.
the person who buys it adds back the y litres of water making it the same as at the origin. its pretty much the same as fresh squeezed stuff. unless ytou get the really crap stuff. eitherway, fresh or from concentrate should only contain fructose whcih is slow releasing like oats for example.

 

[- English -]

I would agree that 2000 good calories are better than 2000 bad. But you guys started arguing about 3 big macs and 2 litres of oj plus tons of oatmeal. They are all bad in their extremes.

@ Tris, cause of diabetes I buy oj or apple juice which is Not concerntrate, nor full of added sugars so that's another good thing on my list woo!

Well my original point was that getting fit and healthy was more diet than gym work. Atm im a food health freak, im craving a pizza so bad but haven't had 1 in 8 weeks, or chocolate or anything bad in 4 weeks since i started training.

 

[tris-]

Well my original point was that getting fit and healthy was more diet than gym work. Atm im a food health freak, im craving a pizza so bad but haven't had 1 in 8 weeks, or chocolate or anything bad in 4 weeks since i started training.

i was the same when i started weight training (nearly 1 year ago now, woot). best advice i can give is dont think about it too much and read RELIABLE information, not yahoo answers or random google bullshit. you need a proper website like muscletalk.co.uk which is ran by nutritionists and experienced body builders. thanks to them (and vlad) im now at 14st, 6ft2 and a 32" waist

if you think about it too much, it will bog you down and take way the fun. id say a chocolate bar a week wont affect anything. 1 meal out of 40+ does not break a diet. the 40+ meals are more important. though for the first 3 months, its probably best to just get your heard down and get on with it, making it a habbit instead of a daily job.

ifit helps i still lost 2lb a week for 3 months even going out on the piss now and then and eating a pizza twice a month.

 

[- English -]

can you please explain to me how the above scenario works though?

if you do not give the body enough calories, where does the energy come from? fat/muscle, can we agree on that? Yes

if you have no fat/muscle and not enough calories, you die eventually. can we agree on that? Yes

but what youre actually saying is 1500 calories from a big mac, will somehow be registered as more calories by the body? therefore stopping it from requireing the energy it needed, before you ate the big mac? No, what im saying is, or how ive taken your original point of that to lose weight u lower the calories and to gain, you up them. My point is that your not going to lose weight by eating mc donalds every day, even if you lower the calories by 500. Lower the calories by 500 to lose weight yes, but eat healthy stuff which isnt full of shitty FATS which u get in burgers

im sorry man, it just does not make sense. i cannot understand what youre telling me here.

i cant make it any more simple either, the facts that is. lets say you have a car, give it 10 litres of fuel. you use them all up because the engine required all 10litres. now, the car will stop, right?
same thing, but youve got a reserve can of fuel and can give it some more. the car can keep going, right? because it requires more fuel. You can't compare the body to a car, theres just too many factors to take into consideration

for the body, fuel is calories. reserve tank is fat/muscle. apply it to the body and this is how it works, in a basic sense.

the fact youve gained a lb is down to the following -

youve increased body fat
or
youve added muscle - I can see a difference in my arms for 1

BOTH OF THESE CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH EXCESS CALORIES.

Also the fact that ive been having so much protein ;p

if you stopped going to the gym and still kept the diet, youd probably gain weight faster. Yes but if you stopped the gym and ate mc ds everyday you would gain weight even faster it would be near on IMPOSSIBLE to lose weight, if youre gaining it now. building muscle and CV exercise both requires extra fuel. if you stopped exercising, how could you possibly lose weight? with the same calorie intake, it would increase.

bahu: i believe from concentrate means the following -

at the origin, they have x litres of fruit juice. they remove y litres of water and now that leaves a concetrated fruit juice.
the person who buys it adds back the y litres of water making it the same as at the origin. its pretty much the same as fresh squeezed stuff.

hope my points and true ;p

 

[- English -]

Lets agree we are both right Tris

 

[tris-]

how much grams of protein do you eat a day? what do you weigh,how tall are you?

you can compare it to a car, the body is a thermodynamic system and its use of energy works within the laws of physics.

i cnt agree you are right im afraid, what you say breaks the laws of physics!

 

[- English -]

how much grams of protein do you eat a day? what do you weigh,how tall are you?

you can compare it to a car, the body is a thermodynamic system and its use of energy works within the laws of physics.

i cnt agree you are right im afraid, what you say breaks the laws of physics!

It doesn't your just not understanding what I'm saying.

To put it simple, why do diets include healthy food. Id love a diet which involved 3 big macs a day. Even though your under the calorie line your neglecting the rest of the nutrition your body needs. Protein for muscle growth, fiberetc

im 5ft9, 12st 1lb now

Not sure of the grams but an average day with diet atm includes

Porridge for break about 10
Smoked salmon / tuna pasta on wholemeal for dinner 12-1 ish
fruit , apple, orange banana snacks throughout day
(tonight had chilli which my mum made) 5-6
went the gym (protein shake which is 1-2 scoops of protein, so around 50g i think) 7
had some toast just now 10