Losing Weight

[Dukat]

Is there any chance of getting a better bike Bahumat? or suffering a little on the current one? It might be your best bet - you can manage a fairly decent work out without really buggering yourself up for the rest of the day on a bike, and you can take a mp3 player so you're not so bored too.

Cardio exercises are what I'd go for, anything that gets you breathing hard and elevates your heartrate for 30 mins or more would be sufficient I think - walking would probably work too but you'd have to stick at it for long enough that it would get boring, and push hard enough that it would probably be hard on the legs for a start.

If you did get in at the gym, crosstrainers, exercise bikes and stepping machines would be some of the best things to go for I think.

 

[Bahumat]

Is there any chance of getting a better bike Bahumat? or suffering a little on the current one? It might be your best bet - you can manage a fairly decent work out without really buggering yourself up for the rest of the day on a bike, and you can take a mp3 player so you're not so bored too.

Cardio exercises are what I'd go for, anything that gets you breathing hard and elevates your heartrate for 30 mins or more would be sufficient I think - walking would probably work too but you'd have to stick at it for long enough that it would get boring, and push hard enough that it would probably be hard on the legs for a start.

If you did get in at the gym, crosstrainers, exercise bikes and stepping machines would be some of the best things to go for I think.

Yeah I could afford one no prob's, was just unsure on how good a workout it'd be? The main weight I want to lose is on my torso, would the bike still be ok?

I know I need to burn more calories to lose the weight, but would riding still be good. I thought with the main work being my legs, it'd drop the weight off them quicker than the torso?

 

[Calaen]

Buy a pilates book and see how to work on your core muscles. The benefits of doing so are many!!!

 

[Iceforge]

Yeah I could afford one no prob's, was just unsure on how good a workout it'd be? The main weight I want to lose is on my torso, would the bike still be ok?

I know I need to burn more calories to lose the weight, but would riding still be good. I thought with the main work being my legs, it'd drop the weight off them quicker than the torso?

Alright, I see you didn't want to do the iwantsixpackabs thingy, thats fine, but I read up alot about workout (when I go into something, I usually do it with a lot of passion) and from many websites, I gathered some good knowledge about how to increase the effectiveness of your workout!

And your bike is absolutely fine to loose weight on your torso. Any musclegroup on your body is able to draw energy from stored energy (fat) from any part of your body when in need.

In fact, your bike is BRILLIANT, because next to running, it is the form of excercise that uses the largest muscles, as for most people, your largest (volume/mass) muscles are located in your legs.

Now, for cardio training, which is what you will be doing on a bike almost no matter how you attack the subject, you will NOT burn alot of weight during your excercise (say what?).

To put it in perspective, so you will understand what I am saying, iirc, a sitting person burns, on average, 1,5calories pr. minut just sitting.
Biking you should loose 5-6 calories pr. minut, so in the range of about 4 calories more pr. minut. Which is great.
1 hour on your bike and you burned 240 calories more than if you was sitting!
Unfortunately, 1kg of fat contains energy equal to 7000 calories, so thats 29 hours on your bike to burn that off (compared to sitting)

Bike 1 hour a day (30 min back and forth to work, for instance) will work, as that is 7 hours and thus equal a nice stack of calories, but not yet even a kg of fat.

Truth is, however, that while during your excercise, you will only burn that, you will also increase your general metabolism, which means that if you bike for 1 hour, you might only burn 240 calories more right there, but then maybe ½ a calorie more pr. minut for the next 24 hours = 720 calories
Now, thats nice, but still far from an entire kg of fat.

This is why you should do Interval Training.
Your muscles have a energy deposit which contains sugar (glucose) which is your muscles emergency energy source basicly.
During a normal bike ride, your muscles will not burn a lot of their glucose deposits, as it is not an emergency; They are not stressed enough.
But if your increase the speed you are biking for 1 minut (increase enough for it to be rather challenging for you) then bike slowly / at a relaxing speed for 2 minuts to regain your breath, then bike hard on for 1 minut again, repeating that as many times as you can and then bike back home at a relaxing speed to cool down (remember to bike slowly for at least 5 minuts before going on hard through for warmup) you will empty your muscles stored energy more than by normal biking.

Then your muscles uses the next 24-42 hours rebuilding their glucose deposits by energy taken from your bloodstream.
And your bloodstream only gets energy from 2 sources: What you eat, and your bodyfat.

You can do Interval Training at MANY different ratios, and you can do it with all kinds of cardio excercises, your choise being walking, running, biking, rowing, step-machine, whatever cardio you usually do, you just have to increase Intensity for your "stress" period, then go for an easy speed during your relax period, always doing 4-6minuts warmup and 4-6 minuts cooldown after Intervals.

Some various Intervals I have read about different people doing:

3 Minuts Stress / 3 Minuts Easy (this was specificly with walking / walking quickly, aimed for beginners)
1 Minut stress / 2 Minuts Easy
30 Seconds Stress / 90 Seconds Easy
30 Second Stress / 60 Seconds Easy
30 Seconds Stress / 30 Seconds Easy (3 previous was from Beginner to Advanced)
20 Seconds Stress / 10 Seconds Easy (Japanese Athelic Coach, known as the Tabeta Protocol and generally viewed as one of the best Athelic Cardio Workouts, 7 cycles for a complete Tabeta Protocol, and true Tabeta is done with Sprint/Jog)

Say if you are more interested, as I can link you on to some good interval programs which you can use to scale your training from beginner and then know how to modify and work yourself to a better shape and get the results you want

 

[Lamp]

 

[Bahumat]

Iceforge thanks for the input. Very informative so rep inc!

Also what you said about the Interval Training is great. I think the advantage of the bike is I can do this before work on the evening shifts.

I am guessing a mountain bike is the best choice? Is there anything I should be aware of (other than making sure its not being sold by a pikey!)

 

[Iceforge]

Well, a small checklist for a bike which I would follow is:

1) make sure you like it's look; That one is obvious
2) Make sure the seat is comfortable to sit on!
3) make sure you do NOT have to stretch your legs all the way when biking around. Your knees should always be bend at least slightly while biking to avoid injuries and shock to your bones
4) Get rotateable pedals; This makes it a lot easier to ride the bike as you can use your angles too!

 

[Maeloch]

1 hour on your bike and you burned 240 calories more than if you was sitting!

Unfortunately, 1kg of fat contains energy equal to 7000 calories, so thats 29 hours on your bike to burn that off (compared to sitting)

Bike 1 hour a day (30 min back and forth to work, for instance) will work, as that is 7 hours and thus equal a nice stack of calories, but not yet even a kg of fat.

This is why you should do Interval Training.

I agree on some of this. But once you get ur leg muscles up to scratch from a month or two on the bike (ie they aren't the weakest link so much anymore) you can burn fuck loads. Like swimming, running, anything tbh, you can do it like an old granny or you can go mad and knacker yourself out.

An hour on a non-racing bike, for an average person at a good pace (15mph) with a the old hill throw in, is about 750 calories burnt (as far as I can make out, checking a few online calcs). Similar to swimming or whatever.

But the great thing about it imo, is once you get ur legs it's not a chore! Just come back myself from 3hr ride, done about 40miles, fucking gorgeous day, seen a bit of the country, been to pub and had a few pints on the way. Great! Prolly burnt off about 2k cals.

 

[Maeloch]

I am guessing a mountain bike is the best choice?

I would probably go for a hybrid bike. Something without suspension, with fat tires, but road tires, and fairly study. Something u can comfortably ride either on the road or fairly easygoing paths. The Carrera Subway for 200 quid from Halfortds is good example. But you can prolly get a 500 pound bike nearly new on ebay for same price.

Mountain bikes are fun to piss around on, but the knobbly tire slows you down on the road, the gearing is all for hill and off road riding (ie very low). Althought you can put on a pair of road tyres etc.

 

[Bahumat]

cheers for the help Maeloch

 

[Iceforge]

I agree on some of this. But once you get ur leg muscles up to scratch from a month or two on the bike (ie they aren't the weakest link so much anymore) you can burn fuck loads. Like swimming, running, anything tbh, you can do it like an old granny or you can go mad and knacker yourself out.

An hour on a non-racing bike, for an average person at a good pace (15mph) with a the old hill throw in, is about 750 calories burnt (as far as I can make out, checking a few online calcs). Similar to swimming or whatever.

But the great thing about it imo, is once you get ur legs it's not a chore! Just come back myself from 3hr ride, done about 40miles, fucking gorgeous day, seen a bit of the country, been to pub and had a few pints on the way. Great! Prolly burnt off about 2k cals.

Well, Maeloch, you are right. My numbers was a bit low, I remembered them wrong and didnt recheck

Still doesn't change the fact that 20 minuts of Interval Training beats 1 hour of steady low pace cardio in the "fat burning zone" which is often promoted shamelessly at fitness centers.

Working at a low intensity, yes, your main fuel for energy is bodyfat, which is why working at that intensity is called the fat burning zone, and yes, you can burn 1000-2000 calories pr. hour doing such workouts, point is that doing interval training for less increase your burnout pr. minut for the next 24-42 hours (if your excercise is purely in the fatburning zone, you're calorie burning resumes to normal state the moment you get off the machine) and when done right, you will get results that makes regular cardio results look like nothing

And you are absolutely right, your leg muscles are the strongest muscles in your body, the reason I said it was second to running is because running uses all the same muscles as when you ride a bike + some more that you don't use on a bike.
But it is second only to running. So enjoy your bike rides!

Higher Intensity doesn't have to mean pushing the pedals around faster.
For a beginner it can be just going to a higher gear and keep pushing the pedals around at the same speed. Or perhaps not change gear nor your pedal speed when riding up small hills

 

[Calaen]

Just as important as the exercise make sure you are eating the right foods for you (not someone else) go and get your body fat measured non of that bmi bollocks.

Its no good exercising your arse off and not eating cause your body just wont allow it you gotta feed it right.

 

[Iceforge]

Just as important as the exercise make sure you are eating the right foods for you (not someone else) go and get your body fat measured non of that bmi bollocks.

Its no good exercising your arse off and not eating cause your body just wont allow it you gotta feed it right.

Absolutely true!

I should have my bodyfat measured and not just use an online calculator to be honest.

But the program I follow (workout) got 6 rules for eating, but I follow the weight watchers first and then try my best to adjust for these rules too, but they are good to know even if you can't keep them 100%:

1: Aim for 60-70% of your calories coming from protein (debateable as you should not get more than 0.8g of protein pr. day pr. kg you weight)
2: Aim for 20-30% of your calories coming from carbs
3: Aim for 10% of your calories coming from healthy fats. Try and completely avoid saturated fats.
4: Try and eat 6 times a day with 2-3 hours between each meal! Never EVER let yourself go hungry. Hunger makes your body decrease the metabolism = less fat burning
5: Never dehydrate as that decrease metabolism a lot! Try to drink water or other healthy alternatives whenever you feel thirsty! Or better yet, so often that you never feel thirsty!
6: Avoid refined sugar and grains!

 

[tris-]

(debateable as you should not get more than 0.8g of protein pr. day pr. kg you weight)

says who?

did you know that you do not need to eat carbs to survive?
if you didnt eat fat or protein, you would die. you can live forever (within the boundaries of life) without eating carbs,

but for some reason every other magasine says dont eat fat, and the govt tells you to eat 40g protein a day. no wonder everyone is fucked!

 

[Garaen]

Working at a low intensity, yes, your main fuel for energy is bodyfat, which is why working at that intensity is called the fat burning zone, and yes, you can burn 1000-2000 calories pr. hour doing such workouts

I don't mean to nit-pick and have just skimmed through the thread but are you just making up these numbers? I can't think of any sustainable high intensity exercise that would burn 2000 calories an hour, let alone a low intensity one. I often go running and an hour's run at a comfortable speed burns roughly 800-900 calories for myself (obviously this differes depending on speed and body weight) but i couldn't think of anything that would burn 2000.

As far as I am aware 3500 calories roughly equates to one pound of weight so you're looking at 7700 calories per 1kg of weight (2.2pounds). Aiming to lose two pounds a week is a great start (try an hour of cardio exercise per day and eat sensibly as in cut out all the chocolate and fizzy drinks, drink plenty of water and eat sensible portions and you should be fine).

Not sure if it has been said but the more muscle on your body the higher your resting metabolism and higher the rate your body burns calories, so try throwing in maybe two or three weight training sessions per week to build some muscle (building muscle is highly addictive and will draw you to the gym on those days when you just can't be arsed with cardio).

 

[Iceforge]

I don't mean to nit-pick and have just skimmed through the thread but are you just making up these numbers? I can't think of any sustainable high intensity exercise that would burn 2000 calories an hour, let alone a low intensity one. I often go running and an hour's run at a comfortable speed burns roughly 800-900 calories for myself (obviously this differes depending on speed and body weight) but i couldn't think of anything that would burn 2000.

As far as I am aware 3500 calories roughly equates to one pound of weight so you're looking at 7700 calories per 1kg of weight (2.2pounds). Aiming to lose two pounds a week is a great start (try an hour of cardio exercise per day and eat sensibly as in cut out all the chocolate and fizzy drinks, drink plenty of water and eat sensible portions and you should be fine).

Not sure if it has been said but the more muscle on your body the higher your resting metabolism and higher the rate your body burns calories, so try throwing in maybe two or three weight training sessions per week to build some muscle (building muscle is highly addictive and will draw you to the gym on those days when you just can't be arsed with cardio).

Danish link:
Motion i hverdagen

Listed are KiloJoule burned pr. hour for various excercises at various difficulties/speeds.

1 calorie = 4.184 joules.

1 kcal = 4.184 kilojoules (obviously)

Walking at 4 km/hour = 1020 Kj = 243kcal pr. hour
Walking at 8 km/hour = 2325 Kj = 555.7kcal pr. hour
Running at 10 km/hour = 2900 Kj = 693kcal pr. hour
Running at 18 km/hour = 5050 Kj = 1207kcal pr. hour
Biking at 18 km/hour = 2520 Kj = 602.3kcal pr. hour
Biking at 40 km/Hour = 5760 Kj = 1376.7kcal pr. hour

The 2000 was "out of the hat" in the way that I looked over the list and did it very quickly in the head, wasn't sure if any of them passed the 1500 mark, so figured saying 1000-2000 calories would be the safe thing to do.

Also, biking at 40km/hour is quite high, but biking at 50 or even 60 miles pr. hour is not THAT hard to do once you are trained a bit, so could actually imagine that burning closer to the 2000 mark

 

[pikeh]

whats swimming like? Havnt read the thread, but I was always lead to believe swimming was one of the best forms of exercise?
Am I wrong?

 

[tris-]

it depends how you define "best form"?

what ever you can fuel correctly while putting in the most effort for the longest time would be the best form imo.

i.e. cycling can be sustained for a long time. ultimatley though they will all burn the same calories if the same effort is put in.

 

[Iceforge]

it depends how you define "best form"?

what ever you can fuel correctly while putting in the most effort for the longest time would be the best form imo.

i.e. cycling can be sustained for a long time. ultimatley though they will all burn the same calories if the same effort is put in.

Effort != results.

Or, atleast, the idea people have about how much effort they are putting in is not the same.

Swimming is on the list, put divided into two catagories:

Crawl = 3240 Kj = 774kcal pr. hour
Breastswimming (dunno if that has a more complicated english name) = 2700 = 645kcal pr. hour

Crawl = the type in which you are stomach down, legs straight back. You move your legs up and down and use your arms for more speed by first bringing 1 arm as long forward you can, bringing it back to run down your side in a half-circle below the water, then you bring the other arm as long forward as you can. Think most who swim should know what I am talking about now.

Breastswimming = Sorry, I do not swim a lot, so can't remember how excatly this is supposed to be done. I THINK it might be the one in which you have almost same position; Stomach down, legs straight back and moved up and down for speed, but your arms move in a spike from your breast and up infront of you head (hands together), then turn the surface of each hand towards each side and bring them back in half-circles going to the sides of your body, instead of half-circles going downward in the water.

The reason various excercises give various gains is because of the size of the musclegroups being used.
The more mass of muscle being used, the more energy is being burned, but almost the more exhausting the excercise, as all muscle need oxygen, besides energy (calories), when working out and your body can only provide a certain limit of oxygen at any given point (this is why you breath more rapidly and heavily when excercising).
Now, Tris- is absolutely right that effort = results in the case that you go tired in the end by your general system simply saying "NO! I CANNOT DELIVER THIS MUCH OXYGEN ANYMORE!!!!" (general fatigue) which is basicly the heart and lungs needing rest.
If you have to stop excercising due to your joints or muscles going sore, then your system could have gone on for maybe longer with another excercise which stress another group of muscle/joints, meaning you could put in "more effort" (I guess, if you want to be that specific?) and get "more results"

EDIT: This knowledge can also be used to increase overall gain when used appropriately;

I did mention earlier that EPOC from Interval Training has an afterburn of upto 48 hours, right?
In those 48 hours, the muscle group used is restoring it's own deposit of glycose, which is why it is eating away at your body fat (which we all want, unless your bodyfat is just the essensitial 2-4%)
For most people starting up, the general fatigue is quite low and stops you from doing loads of workout in a row.
But 24 hours after you went for a turn on your bike, your general fatigue is restored. But; Your muscles are still working to restore glycose.
This is why, if you are smart and got the equipment/time for it, you can just go and do Interval Training on a new muscle groups.

Could combine swimming and biking if you wanted, just make sure to go light on your legs during the swimming and focus/pressing just your upper body muscles.
Warning; be 100% sure not to overdo swimming!! You do NOT want cramps or going completely fatigue (or both at the same time if really unlucky!) while submerged in a big collection of water that can drown you quite quickly!

I would personally feel more comfortable doing something like rowing/biking in combination (actually my plan) because rowing is pretty light on the legs, while biking is quite light on the upper body.

 

[Maeloch]

Also, biking at 40km/hour is quite high, but biking at 50 or even 60 miles pr. hour is not THAT hard to do once you are trained a bit...

Ermm....you been watching the tour de france with the fast forward on?

so could actually imagine that burning closer to the 2000 mark

I'd be interested if world class altheletes could even burn that much per hour. What we after, the best half-marathon runner in the world? Or google some time trial cyclist and work out how far they go over an hour, physics should be pretty simple on that to get a rough guess.

Swimming gets a good rep because it excercises alot of muscles I think, upper body, lower body. Know when I did alot of swimming - breast stroke - the shoulders got a fair bit bigger, not like weight training but it was noticable (they got zero excercise b4 althought). Don't get that from riding a bike. But anything can burn big cals per hour if you do it hard enuff onces the muscles involved are uup and running.

 

[Maeloch]

Mowing a friggin lawn can give you a hardcore workout if u have a few acres and do it at 10mph! Imagine all the stuff that could get done in the world if peeps did something useful instead of going to the gym! Building walls, digging trenches, planting trees!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Ermm....you been watching the tour de france with the fast forward on?

I wondered the same. Biking at over 30 km/h I consider already dangerous, because if you come at 40 km/h towards a car most drivers don't get your speed and still try to turn right/left, so you have to slow down and accelerate again after you passed them.

Also, the list is about values based on an hour of training while human metabolism changes after 20-30 minutes of real training. Walking is not real training, it will burn fuck all of your fat. I suggest to do endurance runs.

If you're not used to it or new to running, run daily for 15 minutes to get the hang out of the breathing (in through the nose, out through the mouth) and tempo. After 2-3 weeks, run 8 km per hour 2-5 times a week. This is a slow tempo, so after a couple of weeks of trainings after you got the condition and your body is used to the runs (no pain in the back and in the feet) you will have enough energy for the day or even for a 500m sprint at the end of the runs.

Don't run when you're ill, beside of that keep it up. Kill that person telling you that you can skip one run . Don't run in the middle of the sun, there is no point in running when there are 30° celsius out there, do it in the mornings or evenings, it's easier to cope and running at 5-6 am in a winter morning and the stuff in your nose is freezing, it's a lit. cool experience ;-).

You won't have to dope because you want to drive 65 miles/h .

Am suffering from a rib contusion atm, man I'd love to go out and have a run now.

 

[TdC]

Biking at 18 km/hour = 2520 Kj = 602.3kcal pr. hour
Biking at 40 km/Hour = 5760 Kj = 1376.7kcal pr. hour

Also, biking at 40km/hour is quite high, but biking at 50 or even 60 miles pr. hour is not THAT hard to do once you are trained a bit, so could actually imagine that burning closer to the 2000 mark

I'm a bit of a biker. Not fanatical or anything, I'm not in a club, don't watch the tour and certainly don't shave my legs, but....you've made me curious enough to go out and get a sporty hart-rate monitor so I can check for myself. I'll let you guys know some real world figures on....sunday prolly. The thing works I guess. It tells me I burnt 320kcal to go down the shops to get a pizza

Also, biking an 18km/h average can be done easily. Biking a sustained 40km/h average is up to proper roadies and other leg shavers imo. I tend to average out at around 26km/h, and there are bits in there where I am pushing 50km/h.

 

[Iceforge]

Ermm....you been watching the tour de france with the fast forward on?

No, never watch any sport on TV; Passive sport watching just bores the shit out of me, never been my thing, but I used to be able to bike at 70-80 km/hour on my racing bike, and was also fat back then.

I wondered the same. Biking at over 30 km/h I consider already dangerous, because if you come at 40 km/h towards a car most drivers don't get your speed and still try to turn right/left, so you have to slow down and accelerate again after you passed them.

I grew up in a small town of 300 or so houses with loads of nature and long basicly trafficless roads nearby.

Mind you, I could bike at 70-80, now keep up that speed. I think average speed was about 35-37km/hour.

Would not recommend biking like that on the side of roads with traffic. Most roads nearby which does have regular traffic here also have mini-roads besides them just for bikes.

Btw, you guys who sounds like it is insanely high, you do remember I am speaking of Km/hour and not miles/hour, right?

Also, Tdc, in case you are really doubting the numbers that much, it is from a well established homepage providing health information by health specialists (doctors) with long education for the public.
But sure, the information will be off for most people. Everybody burns different numbers of calories pr. hour by doing different excercises; These should be taken as mean average I think

EDIT: No, it was not downhill, on straight (actually slightly elavating) roads. The grip was amazing meaning for really high useage of your energy and I did bike about 20km each day for several years back then; but then I got lazy

 

[TdC]

oh, I'm not doubting, I just can not do it myself. As I consider myself an average fellow, that's what I mean by real world.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Btw, you guys who sounds like it is insanely high, you do remember I am speaking of Km/hour and not miles/hour, right?

I have a speed-o-meter on my bike. I think it's quite accurate, 44km/h is my max speed, that was a bit downhill. It's a treking bike, on even ground, reaching 40km/h is possible for me, but makes me exhausted fast and I have a good condition.

I know that e.g. a 85 kg heavy person on a racing bike can reach over 90km/h with like 10% decline though.

Like you said, you got a better place for such training, for me in a big city it's a no go :-(. The average needed speed for training is just too dangerous.

 

[Bahumat]

Here's a vid of TDC going 210km hehe

New World Record: fastest speed on a standard mountain bike • videosift.com

 

[Iceforge]

I have a speed-o-meter on my bike. I think it's quite accurate, 44km/h is my max speed, that was a bit downhill. It's a treking bike, on even ground, reaching 40km/h is possible for me, but makes me exhausted fast and I have a good condition.

I know that e.g. a 85 kg heavy person on a racing bike can reach over 90km/h with like 10% decline though.

Like you said, you got a better place for such training, for me in a big city it's a no go :-(. The average needed speed for training is just too dangerous.

I know what you mean about the treking bike.
I used to ride a mountain bike back then, going 25km/hour or so in average was more than enough. Getting a racing bike made one able to go 35 km/hour with the same effort more or less, if I remember right.
And I had the speed-o-meter type thing too, which was quite high standard, so should have been accurate (measured my "walking with bike" speed to 5 km/hour I remember, so at least it shouldn't be far off in the up-wards department)

 

[Maeloch]

Here's a vid of TDC going 210km hehe

Heh, that helmet for aerodynamics or to stop him breaking his neck if he comes off?

 

[TdC]

Here's a vid of TDC going 210km hehe

New World Record: fastest speed on a standard mountain bike • videosift.com

scariest thing I've ever done seriously though, that guy must have some awesomely tuned wheels. given he's riding an Intense downhill bike, he'll prolly have some fat rubber on his rims. a 26"mtb wheel with a 2.5 tyre would have a circumference of about 2100mm or 2.1 meters. Going 210km/h means you're going about 60m/s, ergo your wheels are going about 1700 or 1800rpm. Any misalignment of spokes, rims or even a slight weight unbalance in the tyres themselves would result in...well...death prolly o0

Fastest I've been on my mtb would be about 70kph, on the road bike as yet 59kph. I can get up to about 45kph on a flat, but that doesn't really last long heheh I cruise at about 27kph and that suits me fine Imo my roadbike is like a rocket with feathers for brakes, whereas my mtb is like a tractor with anchors for brakes, if you know what I mean