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[Job]

They ALL promote violence..because that's what religion is...power over the masses to increase the power of the cult.
They aren't about sky fairy shite...that's just used to give it some unearthly authority.
Believe this shit and kill those who don't.
Arguing over the interpretations and context is laughable...what is this book for?
They are all extensions of ancient tribes passing on myths of importance to set their tribe above the others.

 

[TdC]

Thing is, Throdbacon, the bible and koran basically contain the same messages: be kind to each other, share things, help your neighbors, etc. The problem is that humans generally tend to be power-hungry, money grubbing, selfish, covetus bastards with real issues with grasping concepts like the difference between the letter and spirit of the law/book/guideline/advisory pamphlet/diagram...especially when the more gullible are advised by agenda toting smart humans. Factor in grudges, desires and good old being human ("them fellers in t'other village are right odd'uns", "they took our jobs", "gingers have no souls"), add some foreign power meddling, and you get something that will never work, ever.

Let's do a thought experiment: if I was some preacher man living 1000 years ago, and I wrote a book were at some point I say something like "unless care is taken when a man lies with a woman, all progeny after the second must be given up unto me", because times were hard and there was little food. If I wrote that today, I might say something like "use condoms, in case we make too many humans and this fucks up our food / community / benefits system". Translate the first statement 100s, if not 1000ands of times in to different languages and back again, and I doubt that the original message will be maintained. Add some power-hungry cock telling people -every day- that what is written in some book is the literal truth, exactly as I said it 1000 years ago, and all kinds of hell will break loose.

 

[throdgrain]

It's all bollocks Teeds. You can go on about it until you're blue in the face.

Simple fact is, these people offer a direct threat to our civilisation, and should be dealt with.

Severely, in my opinion.

 

[Urgat]

It's all bollocks Teeds. You can go on about it until you're blue in the face.

Simple fact is, ORGANISED RELIGION offers a direct threat to our civilisation, and should be dealt with.

Severely, in my opinion.

FTFY

 

[old.Tohtori]

I've always said that religion isn't a problem, people are. If there wasn't religion then people would just kill eachother over something else.

 

[TdC]

It's all bollocks Teeds. You can go on about it until you're blue in the face.

Simple fact is, these people offer a direct threat to our civilisation, and should be dealt with.

Severely, in my opinion.

I know chum. What I'm saying is that as long as there are people, there are going to be direct threats to civilization. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Followers of Islam, Eastern Europeans, countries with natural resources, left-handed gingers, it's really just the flavour of the month every time again and again. Regardless of whatever mechanism they choose, religion, multinational corporations, being cross-eyed, whatever...people seem to really excel at finding ways to fuck -like-minded or not- each other up.

 

[Ctuchik]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Im done.

I could easily find a website that shows all the violent verses in the Bible, but you wouldn't like that, would you?

I wouldn't care to be honest. To me there's no difference between any of the religious groups, they are all fucking insane and needs to be locked up on the moon with no way of leaving.

 

[Gwadien]

I wouldn't care to be honest. To me there's no difference between any of the religious groups, they are all fucking insane and needs to be locked up on the moon with no way of leaving.

Yes, but you can't simply do that, you do not remove peoples beliefs unless you go through a process of either dehumanisation or a genocide.

 

[throdgrain]

 

[Gwadien]

I can play this game too.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfk5MdWg_5s

 

[mooSe_]

I thought this documentary was pretty interesting.

VICE News reporter Medyan Dairieh spent three weeks embedded with the Islamic State, gaining unprecedented access to the group in Iraq and Syria as the first and only journalist to document its inner workings.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94

 

[DaGaffer]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Im done.

I could easily find a website that shows all the violent verses in the Bible, but you wouldn't like that, would you?

Actually you'd find very few incitements to violence in life in the New Testament (lots of stuff about bad things that are going to happen after you're dead, but that's a slightly different issue) whereas the Qu'ran is rather more "choppy-uppy those that don't toe the line". (Christianity would be a lot better off if it ignored the Old Testament -which it shares with Islam - altogether). Whether you like it or not, Islam was a violent religion that encouraged forced conversion from the very first. Christianity certainly was not (since it was effectively a religion for the oppressed for the first 300 years of its existence). It was subsequently abused in similar ways to Islam, but it wasn't designed that way; it took the Romanisation of Christianity to do that. And FWIW I have no axe to grind here, I'm an atheist, but its simply wrong to suggest an equivalency between Islam and Christianity when it comes to the violence in the core of their messages, its one of the main differences between the two religions.

 

[DaGaffer]

http://www.evilbible.com/Evil Bible Quotes.htm

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

KILL THE BLACK PEEOPLE!

I tell you, you must all go kill black people!

Old Testament. So Muslims and Jews get the same message.

 

[old.user4556]

Islam. Jesus.

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[Job]

Islam is very intolerant of dissent because they have seen what has happened to christianity which is pretty well dead..even judaism is all but dead...the power of reason seems to have a temporary hold and it will get muslims as well...the vast majority of muslims are being exposed to the modern world and with that the btainwashing will disperse..but temporary it will be because science offers nothing but indifference and the deep seated need for humans to feel purpose means new gods will appear...presently they are fame and celebrity and future religious scripts will no doubt have passages rejecting that.

 

[Ctuchik]

Yes, but you can't simply do that, you do not remove peoples beliefs unless you go through a process of either dehumanisation or a genocide.

I don't want to remove anyones beliefs. I just want to relocate the believers to somewhere not even remotely close to anything else.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't want to remove anyones beliefs. I just want to relocate the believers to somewhere not even remotely close to anything else.

You really want your childrens children to be suffering from praiserays from the moon?

 

[Gwadien]

I don't want to remove anyones beliefs. I just want to relocate the believers to somewhere not even remotely close to anything else.

So long as that includes Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and all the other faiths, I agree.

 

[Job]

And Jedis

 

[Tom]

I think it's funny how people argue over dusty old books written by scholars who, if they didn't know the answer, just pulled it from their arse.

 

[Gwadien]

I think it's funny how people argue over dusty old books written by scholars who, if they didn't know the answer, just pulled it from their arse.

I agree, and if it was my utopia then we'd have no religion.

But the fact is, that we do, and we can't pretend that other religions are more important than others, because that'll just piss people off.

 

[Scouse]

Also, ISIS isn't a "nation" at least not yet.

I dunno - auntie now calls it "IS" or "Islamic State". Almost like they recognise it*...

*tongue halfway in cheek

 

[Job]

The institution of religion has kept layers of urban myths around their stories to the extent that people assume their authority that even extends into mainstream media...over and over again I read assumptions that are so entrenched in our psyche that we fail to question them...as far as religious facts go they are all utter steaming bolaks...there isnt a single sentence in the entire bible that can be narrowed down beyond it happened on Earth.

 

[Scouse]

we can't pretend that other religions are more important than others, because that'll just piss people off.

But we can't pretend they're all the same as each other - that pisses people off too. And we can't just be honest and say that they're not important at all because they're entirely bollocks - because that pisses people off too.

Looks like we're going to piss people off. But, like Tom, I'd rather piss people off by telling it straight...

 

[Ctuchik]

You really want your childrens children to be suffering from praiserays from the moon?

I'm killing off my side of the family tree by not having any kids, so don't have to worry about that.

 

[DaGaffer]

I dunno - auntie now calls it "IS" or "Islamic State". Almost like they recognise it*...

*tongue halfway in cheek

I think that's more "ISIS? ISIL? Make your fucking mind up".

 

[Scouse]

I think that's more "ISIS? ISIL? Make your fucking mind up".

Maybe. But the beeb was specific on ISIS, didn't use ISIL (other than in an explanatory fashion) - and the minute ISIL announced their namechange the beeb acknowledged it by referring to them using their new declared name...

 

[Raven]

Regardless of whether it is recognised as a country by the UN, it is basically a new country. The US and UK left such a mess behind it was bound to happen. At least Saddam had a (sort of) lid on the whole thing.

Its probably for the best anyway, let the nuts have their own country.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm killing off my side of the family tree by not having any kids, so don't have to worry about that.

You selfish bastard!

 

[DaGaffer]

Its probably for the best anyway, let the nuts have their own country.

Yes, because that worked out so well in Afghanistan.