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[xxManiacxx]

>>Respect your allies that don´t want you to ruin their gaming experience then? Your allies don´t want help so don´t help them then.

Some do, some don`t. adding is a GAME MECHANIC, part of the game imho.

someone please explain to me this fetish about soloing or fg vs fg, i simply don`t get it.

please explain me what is fun about 8 vs 8 and what is wrong about 7 vs 9 ?

We all know by now there is no such thing as `game balance`. artificial constructions like 8 vs 8 only benefit the `elite` cause it makes their `skill` (rr, ml`s, group setup, tempaltes, whatever) shine without the opponents being able to counter superior skill with the only alternative, being numbers.

how much % of the population does the `leet` brigade form ? 10% ? 20 %?

I think the leet are a far bigger enoying factor to the casuals than vice versa tbh.

So by playing in a fg = leet and not = casual?

So me who plays 2 evenings/week is still leet when someone else plays more or less everyday but not in a fg is a casual?

 

[scorge]

hrm, more analogies - do the people who yell "don't add!!!" yell things like "No rocketlaunchers!" or "knives only!" when they play fps games?

would be funny if people in the military took adding so seriously!

general, - " FFS look at the noob sniper adding on my targets"

general marches over to sniper /slap /slap /dance "F%@king noob Sniper cant you see my tanks were powning that enemy soldier"

sniper, "l33t w@nker, i shot him first, was stealther you are teh noob"

general, "right then am reporting you to teh pentagon for adding on teh enemy target, and you shall be flamed on www.generalshouse.com for all to see what an adding turd you are"

Sniper, " FFS its a war..."

 

[Muylaetrix]

>>So by playing in a fg = leet and not = casual?

So me who plays 2 evenings/week is still leet when someone else plays more or less everyday but not in a fg is a casual?<<

Being leet is an attitude, it has little to do with the number of hours you play really, and it is a very relative concept at best. taking stuff too serious and being very volatile about it is imho, a sign of `leetism` in a game.

after mob campign, arte campign, some people want to start campign opponents now in rvr ? wtf !

Don`t add, we were fist ??? get a grip.

adding is not against the rules, CoC, or anything ! claiming stuff is, throwing insults is.

The only thing going wrong with adding is people yelling at realmmates and telling them what to do and what not to do. Who the f**k do those people think they are to tell me what to do ??? Unless someone PAYS me to do something, he can go to hell really and shut up.



my posts might make me look like the biggest adder around, and sure, i do add, but i am prety sure most people will indeed realise that i am far more lenient and respectfull of other people, in my actions in the game, than in my opinions i voice here.

 

[CstasY]

After reading 17 pages of this thread, I can honestly say that the majority of the people who believe they're playing the game how it's meant to be played, are totally clueless and ignorant of others playstyles.

I enjoy even sided fights, where playing your class well is the difference between winning or losing the fight. Just because I enjoy doing this, does it make me a l33t gamer? Some of you seem to think it does. I personally couldn't give a fuck about realm points. Sure, it's nice to do /stats at the end of a night and log feeling like you've done well, but that isn't the reason I'm in a set group. Personally I feel the best moments of DAoC are fights against well played groups which are touch and go, for 5-10 minutes, losing a fight matters little if you've given it your best, and thought 'What a fucking great fight'. Thats now why I play this game, is it so hard to understand? People who decide to add on a fight, such as scouts or hunters interrupting our support can easilly lose us a fight, one add is all it takes to prevent someone from being healed, and the fight is over.. Congratulations, you've just ruined something 16 people were enjoying. I hope it felt good.

All games begin with a certain goal in mind, but over years, usually that goal becomes slack and the game turns into what the players make it. The same is happening to DAoC, it can't be stopped.

 

[xxManiacxx]

>>So by playing in a fg = leet and not = casual?

So me who plays 2 evenings/week is still leet when someone else plays more or less everyday but not in a fg is a casual?<<

Being leet is an attitude, it has little to do with the number of hours you play really, and it is a very relative concept at best. taking stuff too serious and being very volatile about it is imho, a sign of `leetism` in a game.

after mob campign, arte campign, some people want to start campign opponents now in rvr ? wtf !

Don`t add, we were fist ??? get a grip.

adding is not against the rules, CoC, or anything ! claiming stuff is, throwing insults is.

The only thing going wrong with adding is people yelling at realmmates and telling them what to do and what not to do. Who the f**k do those people think they are to tell me what to do ??? Unless someone PAYS me to do something, he can go to hell really and shut up.



my posts might make me look like the biggest adder around, and sure, i do add, but i am prety sure most people will indeed realise that i am far more lenient and respectfull of other people, in my actions in the game, than in my opinions i voice here.

use the quote button instead please. makes it easier to read. (Not a flame, it really is easier to read).

But in the end there will always be 2 sides. let´s call them the "adding" side and the "leet" side.

Adding side want´s to kill everyone and everything right?
Leet side wants to have their fg or 1on1´s right?

Adding side says it´s all about war versus 3 realms but yet you don´t see alot of massive siege fights, taking relics and keeps. That would in my oppinion be what a real war is about. To take control of enemy lands.

Leet side says they only want their fg vs fg and 1on1´s. Ofc they can´t have this if they stay around the area where the adding side tries to play the game (bridges,docks,towers,keeps). So what do they do? They try and get the ppl with the same mind to roam a certain area so that they can get those said fights they are looking for.

So now we have the leet side trying to get the gaming fun they want in a small specifik area away from the adding side that wants to play different then them but yet you always see those people coming to that area. Aren´t they deliberatly(spelling sucks I know) trying to ruin the leet side´s gaming experience?

The same goes the other way around ofc. If the adder side decide to do a keep siege to get their real realm vs realm experience and the leet side comes only to farm they are indeed ruining the adder side´s gaming experience(unless ofc they think that is fun but what I have seen most ppl get pretty frustrated with the gank groups coming only to farm some and don´t care about the siege itself).

The frontier is large to play in. I am sure that those ppl that really want to play fg vs fg for the thrill of it can find a place to do it without having their fun spoiled right? Just like the ppl that want to do massive realm vs realm can do it in alot of different places.

I can only speak for myself but if I am in a RvR group and we happen to decide to run near a bridge or a tower/keep I expect to get added on because we are running around in the area where those kind of ppl like to play. I do not whine/qq or whatever word u wanna use when that happens.

Although I get frustrated and sometimes angry when we move away from all the ppl to get good fights only to see the adding side coming there to ruin it.

I am sure both sides are able to play the same game without getting on eachothers nerves all the time. Perhaps Agramon aint the best place even though it´s as far away from any towers/keeps/bridges/docks and has nothing to do really with the war going on between the realms.

So basicly what I am saying is if the leet side tries to stay away so that they can have their kind of fun will the other side let them? And the other way around will the leet side let the other side have their sieges consider you don´t like that game anyways?

prob got alittle long but it will be the last I have to say about this.

 

[Grimnna]

Think its funny that you are automaticly "1337" because you enjoy fg vs fg fights....

Nice avatar..... <whistles>

 

[xxManiacxx]

Nice avatar..... <whistles>

yeah I know. Maybe should write "sarcasm" or sumtin under it aswell

 

[Elitestoner]

Why not sell some more characters?

Pot, kettle, black, stfu?

at least i dont buy my chars and advertise them as my own :/, i simply get bored with new chars i make half the time, and i cant pl a new char on the same account as my reaver, so it ends up getting sold most the time :|

You didnt quote anyone so assume ur talking to me?
What character of mine has not been leveled by me, and only me?

no was talking about the poster, should have mentioned that really

Ok ranind ......

aha that was traded ! fine line etc i know

anyways, on topic

please explain me what is fun about 8 vs 8 and what is wrong about 7 vs 9 ?

pretty simple really, if u wanted to duel someone else in your realm, if he was buffed, you would demand he drop his buffs, or to give you some, as it wouldnt be a FAIR FIGHT. same applies in 8v8, if you get adds and die because of them, you feel cheated, it wasnt fair and you might have won, which really pisses you off

 

[Grimnna]

Nice save xxManiacxx

 

[Zede]

After reading 17 pages of this thread, I can honestly say that the majority of the people who believe they're playing the game how it's meant to be played, are totally clueless and ignorant of others playstyles.

I enjoy even sided fights, where playing your class well is the difference between winning or losing the fight. Just because I enjoy doing this, does it make me a l33t gamer? Some of you seem to think it does. I personally couldn't give a fuck about realm points. Sure, it's nice to do /stats at the end of a night and log feeling like you've done well, but that isn't the reason I'm in a set group. Personally I feel the best moments of DAoC are fights against well played groups which are touch and go, for 5-10 minutes, losing a fight matters little if you've given it your best, and thought 'What a fucking great fight'. Thats now why I play this game, is it so hard to understand? People who decide to add on a fight, such as scouts or hunters interrupting our support can easilly lose us a fight, one add is all it takes to prevent someone from being healed, and the fight is over.. Congratulations, you've just ruined something 16 people were enjoying. I hope it felt good.

All games begin with a certain goal in mind, but over years, usually that goal becomes slack and the game turns into what the players make it. The same is happening to DAoC, it can't be stopped.

amen to that.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Nice save xxManiacxx

Tried to take my time this time and write everything in a sensible manner instead of spouting out posts all the time

Just hope the message went through so that ppl really can see what I am meaning.

 

[Rediknight]

makes me laugh - if any of you whining are as good at this game as you think you are, then what difference does it make?

If you ARE as good as you all think you are, you'd have me believing it wouldn't matter how many add's you get, you could take em all on!!!

Seriously though - the idea is that sometimes you win, some you lose - you cannot dictate how anyone other than yourself will play the game, and if you were really that dedicated to playing for enjoyment and not for RP's, as so many of you l33t keep trying to point out, then you'd adapt and either go somewhere else, or go get what it needs to take on the new threat!

There is no 1 -v- 1 duel only or solo only battlegrounds, there is no 8 -v- 8 arena, so until there is please, please, please for the love of all that is sane, shut up whining and start playing it as it comes along - if you want instanced, pre-determined warfare, play something else. If you want emulated random encounters with other MMOers, then stop moaning and start just dealing with it!

Im not gonna flame anyone, as i know what frustration is, but whining about adding/tractoring in FG's is like going to a badminton competition with a snooker cue, then screaming and whining that you want to play snooker, so everyone else has to respect your wishes and completely change what they are enjoying.

"The whole world will be your enemy, prince with a thousand enemies, and when they catch you they will kill you. But first they must catch you..."

pie?

 

[Bracken]

get off your high horse like your superior IRL to people like xxmaniacxx..
having a though time irl and venting your frustration over internet by trying to elevate your mightyness/act like your so superior?

Actually I'm having a great time in life. Good job, relationship and home. Which is probably why I don't get upset over someone "adding" on my fights in a computer game. The ones who want to bitch and gob off at someone over a computer game are the ones who clearly have issues. What I don't accept is someone taking out those issues on others, especially on friends of mine. As far as I'm concerned you and those like you are out of order - and if you can't grasp that acting how you do over the internet may well get you seriously hurt if you did the same out on the streets then I'm afraid you're in for a some painful lessons when you leave the sanctuary of your own bedroom.

 

[Marc]

Nerd + Pc Screen = balls of steel

 

[thaaadi]

Nerd + Pc Screen = balls of steel

Nerd + rugbyteam = marc as cheerleader

 

[Mey]

Nerd + rugbyteam = marc as cheerleader

Nah the cheerleaders at saints have better hair than marc

 

[Marc]

Nah the cheerleaders at saints have better hair than marc

Did you know Ian Millward was shagging one? They are young enough to be his daughter!

 

[Andrilyn]

Wonder how many people that want 'fair' fights actually let solo'ers live(no once doesn't count I mean 100% of the time) because surely 8v1 aint fair as it's the same as 8v64.
And every time someone whines about killing a solo'er with a FG because he 'might' add it turns into this chicken and the egg discussion again because the solo'er will say he would never have added if the FG didn't kill him over and over again.

Like others said many people have different playing styles and you either need to accept that or quit, swearing at them for having a different vision on how to play the game(within the rules of course) is stupid to do as it will mostlikely get you banned or disrespected by alot of people.
If you wan't a 'fair' fight like 8v8 don't fight near bridges/keeps/towers etc as I am 100% sure other people will join the fight, this is all common knowledge yet most people that whine about adds don't seem to understand that.

Sometimes I'd wish people's attitudes would go back to like before SI when if another group would 'add' on yours it would just mean more RPs instead of more whines.
But then we wouldn't have all this hypocritical stuff to read that people post on here day in and day out

 

[Sye]

For the age of DAOC its still going pretty well imo. You will always have new and old people playing this game, which is why it is such a good game.

The problem with this is the older people who have played in rvr for more than a year or so will be getting bored of the game play and style therefor will be trying to find new ways to entertain themselves, hence the organised rvr fights (8v8 or 1v1) where as the newer players to rvr will just being wanting to play the game as it is, not thinking of how others are playing or want to play.

This will always happen, and cannot be solved unless Mythic introduce a dedicated area of frontiers where only fg's can enter.


p.s sorry if someone else wrote this already, not gonna read 254 posts on one topic

 

[Flimgoblin]

hrm trying to think what the equivalent of a load of /send abuse for adding is... just the other way around.

maybe if you die in RvR you could /send abuse to various gank groups for not standing around protecting you.

Or if a tower is taken in RvR you could /send some abuse to anyone in agramon.

 

[Mey]

nuff said! :worthy:
rep inc.

/mum

Thanks Mum

 

[Mey]

Did you know Ian Millward was shagging one? They are young enough to be his daughter!

I did indeed marc, one of them is in my media class (well media last year)..

 

[Eruptix]

This game would have faded away a long time ago had it not been for the fg vs fg action. Mindless zergs become boring,

Best Quote in this topic

rep for you

 

[Uberlama]

Sometimes I'd wish people's attitudes would go back to like before SI when if another group would 'add' on yours it would just mean more RPs instead of more whines.
But then we wouldn't have all this hypocritical stuff to read that people post on here day in and day out

But you know as well if 2 highly opted grps fighting with each other, and the forces are even between them, even one guy adding can fuck up the tactic and the whole fight. Seen it many times, experienced it many times. Its enough if an archer starts shooting a cleric behind our lines and we cant disable it fast enough we die, if i get interrupted by a random caster-stealther added on me and i cant keep interrupting the enemy support-casters we die as well most likely (IF the 2 grps are even!).
You cant compare to the situation when lets say Pe or Mael or Ec were fighting in SI with a randomish enemy grp and couple of guys added on, or even other grp which died just the same tbh. Now when a wl comes in and nearly instakill a cleric from behind, or a theu petting up enemy support, or a chanter stunst the support and nukes a caster. Things changed since SI.

 

[Javai]

The idea that it is fg vs fg that sustains the game is laughable.

Look at the figures:

Cluster on-line on an evening is around the 1200 mark. Now lets say there are 10 fgs out from each realm (which is a very optimistic picture if there were 10 fgs out they probably wouldn't need endless 'Who is running tonight?' threads in the rvr section.)

So 10 fgs x 3 realms = 240 people I'll be generous and let them have 60 buff bots thats still accounting for less that 25% of the population.

The fact is that those who prefer fg vs fg rvr seem to have an over inflated idea of what they mean for a game that would be equally great without them - it is hard to see how it would be even the same game never mind equally great without the realm vs realm (large scale possibly siege orientated) fights that a large proportion of the community enjoy.

 

[Kanim]

The only reason FGs don't add on each other is because they know they'd get the same back. Consequences? Having to /release and therefor loosing on those valuable minutes to gain arpees

do you even read other peoples replies?, if it was all about rps every group would rvr in hw/wherever insta port exists and farm zergs for 20k+/hour. Groups don't add on other grps because they happen to enjoy fighting eachother on 'even' terms and play mostly for the 'challenge'/fun of this type of rvr.

p.s. inverted commas are there because of the inevitable retard that will whine about noskill/challenge in daoc and realm balance/rr differences.

 

[Eruptix]

The fact is that those who prefer fg vs fg rvr seem to have an over inflated idea of what they mean for a game that would be equally great without them - it is hard to see how it would be even the same game never mind equally great without the realm vs realm (large scale possibly siege orientated) fights that a large proportion of the community enjoy.

explain why Siege rvr action is almost extinct and non existant on servers like glastonbury while 8v8 action is still going strong?

Oh right,because most decent ppl got bored of Siege rvr and zerging in OF,and got a dégou when NF came.

 

[Javai]

explain why Siege rvr action is almost extinct and non existant on servers like glastonbury while 8v8 action is still going strong?

Oh right,because most decent ppl got bored of Siege rvr and zerging in OF,and got a dégou when NF came.

Because it was mostly people who preferred 8 vs 8 that went to Glastonbury? There is still plenty of siege action on cluster.

And really 'most decent ppl'? Get a grip as if what you think about a computer game makes you decent or otherwise.

 

[Bracken]

The problem with this is the older people who have played in rvr for more than a year or so will be getting bored of the game play and style therefor will be trying to find new ways to entertain themselves, hence the organised rvr fights (8v8 or 1v1) where as the newer players to rvr will just being wanting to play the game as it is, not thinking of how others are playing or want to play.

Actually for many people it's the reverse. Having played the game since release I've tried all playstyles. During that period I've seen people I regarded as friends when we joined the game and were all n00bs levelling up together turn into complete arseholes when they discovered IRC and fg rvr. For a while I ran with them in fg rvr. Was kind of fun for a while, but when the people I ran with started to treat other people like shit over this game I quickly got bored. Which is why now I run with people who simply play the game for fun. It's a much nicer experience.

Incidentally, for those who think it's perfectly fine to bitch and whine at people in the game then fine. Carry on doing it. We will simply bring our zergs away from the towers and keeps and move to your nice fg zone in Agramon (which most of us until now have usually avoided). Then we will find your fights and fuck them over again and again until you log. And there will be fuck all you can do about it. Nice atmosphere you're creating aint it?

 

[fl3a]

makes me laugh - if any of you whining are as good at this game as you think you are, then what difference does it make?

If you ARE as good as you all think you are, you'd have me believing it wouldn't matter how many add's you get, you could take em all on!!!

you know, you cant kill your realmmates