Insults

[Mey]

if I ask em not to add or ruin my fight,and they still do..they deserve every abuse they can get.I dont expect any less when I add on their 1v1's

Nobody deserves to be called names for doing something, notice I haven't called you any names? Want to know why? Because I have respect for other people, and what they do is there own choice, and I respect that.

 

[Ethild]

Incidentally, the best analogy would be to log on to a counterstrike server, tell everyone that you want to solo enemy opponents and then give them a loud of abuse when they don't do what you say.

I disagree. CS teams are deliberately balanced, it can't escalate into a numbers game.

The analogy would be logging onto a CS server and disabling auto team balance. Having 20 CTs and 2 terrorists, then coming here posting on a forum in some roleplay manner about how it should be played like a war, and wondering why your enemy quit.

 

[Bracken]

What do you mean "did it to your face you can act accordingly"? Are you of the retarded breed that need to smack people in the face when they don't have your opinion?.

Absolutely not. If we have different opinions then it just isn't a problem. If someone gives me a load of abuse for doing something that is entirely reasonable then I would have the right to smack them in the face. Where I come from that's how it works.

Needing to log in to try to ruin someone else's game, just because you can't deal with the words they post on a forum is laughable.

Needing to abuse people for playing a game is also entirely laughable. And Im not going to do it because I can't deal with words. I'll be doing it because there simply is no other way to show you your attitude is unacceptable to the vast majority of decent people who play this game.

 

[Bracken]

I disagree. CS teams are deliberately balanced, it can't escalate into a numbers game.

The analogy would be logging onto a CS server and disabling auto team balance. Having 20 CTs and 2 terrorists, then coming here posting on a forum in some roleplay manner about how it should be played like a war, and wondering why your enemy quit.

Again that's complete and utter crap. But you've demonstrated many times already that reasoned debate is beyond you.

 

[Raven]

i think some people (on both sides of the fence) need to get a grip, its a fucking game, go outside and get a life for gods sake.

 

[Ethild]

Again that's complete and utter crap. But you've demonstrated many times already that reasoned debate is beyond you.

Yes after posting a reasoned counter argument, you dismiss it with your well thought out logic of "crap", and yet I am the one who is beyond a well "reasoned debate".

 

[Bracken]

i think some people (on both sides of the fence) need to get a grip, its a fucking game, go outside and get a life for gods sake.

I don't disagree with that I know full well I should keep a lid on it, it's just I have this little fantasy that people can get on and enjoy the game (whether it be zerg/fg/solo) without being subject to abuse - not so much for myself (being big enough and ugly enough to handle it) but for others I've seen having a totally undeserved rough time from some gobby people. That's what gets me going. Luckily I have a lovely life and just play this game for relaxation after work...but there comes a point when I get riled and want to do something about it.

 

[Bracken]

Yes after posting a reasoned counter argument, you dismiss it with your well thought out logic of "crap", and yet I am the one who is beyond a well "reasoned debate".

I'm just tired of you and really cba to give you any more argument.

 

[Golena]

Absolutely not. If we have different opinions then it just isn't a problem. If someone gives me a load of abuse for doing something that is entirely reasonable then I would have the right to smack them in the face. Where I come from that's how it works.

I assume you come from the UK, in which case that's not how it works in the slightest!
There's certainly no part of the UK where you have THE RIGHT to smack someone in the face.

If you really believe that then your every bit as deluded as the people that think they have the right to an 8v8 fight on DAoC.

 

[evzy]

I assume you come from the UK, in which case that's not how it works in the slightest!
There's certainly no part of the UK where you have THE RIGHT to smack someone in the face.

My local ....you can...trust me...

 

[Raven]

depends which pubs you drink in i guess

 

[Golena]

My local ....you can...trust me...

I can get away with..

is very very different to

I have the right to ..

 

[Golena]

Here's another example..

If someone gives me a load of abuse for doing something that is entirely reasonable then I would have the right to smack them in the face. Where I come from that's how it works.

If someone adds on my fight then I have the right to pm them abscene amounts of abuse about it.. In DAoC that's how it works.

It's just as valid an argument, i.e. a crap one.

 

[Ctuchik]

use the quote button instead please. makes it easier to read. (Not a flame, it really is easier to read).

But in the end there will always be 2 sides. let´s call them the "adding" side and the "leet" side.

Adding side want´s to kill everyone and everything right?
Leet side wants to have their fg or 1on1´s right?

Adding side says it´s all about war versus 3 realms but yet you don´t see alot of massive siege fights, taking relics and keeps. That would in my oppinion be what a real war is about. To take control of enemy lands.

because organising a relic raid in NF is near impossible, and will probably take a couple of days to take all the keeps required to open the relic gates.

Leet side says they only want their fg vs fg and 1on1´s. Ofc they can´t have this if they stay around the area where the adding side tries to play the game (bridges,docks,towers,keeps). So what do they do? They try and get the ppl with the same mind to roam a certain area so that they can get those said fights they are looking for.

so howcome most of those grps are in hadrians right now where they KNOW there will be zergs and adders? just look at albion, right after i logged i saw ~4 FG albs 3000 units from berk T1, and every mid in the zone came rushing there. and i dare to bet my right arm that even many of the "set groups" came charging to for some "easy RP's".

So now we have the leet side trying to get the gaming fun they want in a small specifik area away from the adding side that wants to play different then them but yet you always see those people coming to that area. Aren´t they deliberatly(spelling sucks I know) trying to ruin the leet side´s gaming experience?

then they should stay the hell away from hadrians right?

The same goes the other way around ofc. If the adder side decide to do a keep siege to get their real realm vs realm experience and the leet side comes only to farm they are indeed ruining the adder side´s gaming experience(unless ofc they think that is fun but what I have seen most ppl get pretty frustrated with the gank groups coming only to farm some and don´t care about the siege itself).

so let the zerglings and adders have hadrians to themself then, ive been doing a /who on Agramon every now and then, and ive never seen more then 3 FG total there at any one time. and its usually the same names popping up every time while theres ALOT more in hadrians.


not gonna bother quoting the rest as i'l just repeat myself more then i have already

 

[Bracken]

Here's another example..



If someone adds on my fight then I have the right to pm them abscene amounts of abuse about it.. In DAoC that's how it works.

It's just as valid an argument, i.e. a crap one.

No because one is people playing the game as it was designed and getting abuse for it (regardless of whether you agree with that design or have made it into something else for yourself). The other is about how it works in the real world.

And as for having the right to punch someone if they hurl abuse at you when you've done f*ck all wrong, not only is it acceptable where I come from but would actually be used in mitigation in law. It would be a case of "You shouldn't really do it, but it's understandable why you did." Trust me, I've seen it happen.

There just comes a point when people have had enough of it. We don't have to take that shit and if we have to take action that people don't like then that's how it will be. If the fg community can't sort it out themselves then the rest of us will do what we need to get a message through.

 

[Kharok Svark]

Just a thought if these FG vs FG want a completely balanced fight, they must hate it when Relics change hands

 

[Haggus]

Just a thought if these FG vs FG want a completely balanced fight, they must hate it when Relics change hands

you've never seen them whine when a realm has all 6 relics ?!?!

 

[Golena]

There just comes a point when people have had enough of it. We don't have to take that shit and if we have to take action that people don't like then that's how it will be. If the fg community can't sort it out themselves then the rest of us will do what we need to get a message through.

Someone once pm'ed me with an insult when I ran over and killed an artifact mob that they had been waiting for.
Does this mean that if I should then of deliberately run around killing artifact mobs infront of every group that I found to "get my message through".
I'm fairly sure that within a week there would of been a thread posted saying what a retard I was for doing it, and most of the people on the side of the adders in this thread would be supporting the idea that I was a retard. Maybe not so much nowadays, but certainly at the beginning of ToA.

I've played with you in game so I know your not an idiot, but surely you can see that adding on every fight you see purely for revenge isn't going to make the situation better. All that's going to happen is people are going to yell insults more and more, and probably getting more and more obscene, meaning that it's even more likely that the 12 year old kid is going to be exposed to some 14 year olds drivel.

If you really truly believe that the fg rvr crowd is going to turn round and say ooh he's started adding on me more, i'll stop yelling abuse.. then go for it by all means. But I think your going to be somewhat dissapointed with the results. All your going to do is kill the game for both of you.. The if I can't have it neither can he approach. Sorry some of us have progressed from being 5.

Telling the fg v fg crowd to piss off to agramon if they want 8v8 action and stop trying to have their fg v fg fights at beno docks would provide an answer. It's then up to them if they want to take your advise. Yelling f**k off noobs I can f**king add if f**king want to haha my zerg way of playing the game is the only way anyone shall ever play cos the box said so live with it... is going to keep us going round in circles all day.
The only way the argument (and therefore the abuse which people are complaining about) is ever going to stop is if both sides can agree on a way to get along. As long as you just keep shouting retard at each other from your respective sides of the fence expect the /yell abuse to continue.

You made an extremely good and valid post earlier about just wanting to be able to log on and play without abuse. Yet you seem to be doing absolutely nothing to resolve the argument, your just ranting about how you would beat them up IRL. How exactly is that moving you towards your "dream"?
Either you want to play without abuse and therefore should look for an agreeable solution.. one which lets them have their 8v8 fights, but lets you kill anything with a red name... Something like if you add inside the agramon milegates they can /yell abuse at you, but if your outside them they can live with the fact your going to add... (that way if they really want 8v8 skill fights they can piss off to the island, and if you want to play without /yell abuse you rvr in the other 80% of the frontiers where the keeps and sh*t are) or you actually just want to win an epeen battle with them on FH in which case go about what your doing atm.

At least this way your giving them a chance to get the enjoyment they want without interfering with yours. If they choose to ignore it, well then you can play the "my fist is bigger than your fist game" knowing your dealing with an idiot.

 

[Kharok Svark]

Very well put Golena, and pretty much the way I see it too.

Although, I don;t have quite the same ability to post it as clearly.

 

[Naffets]

you've never seen them whine when a realm has all 6 relics ?!?!

everyone whines when someone has 6 relics surely? Aside from the realm that has six relics of course...

 

[xxManiacxx]

because organising a relic raid in NF is near impossible, and will probably take a couple of days to take all the keeps required to open the relic gates.



so howcome most of those grps are in hadrians right now where they KNOW there will be zergs and adders? just look at albion, right after i logged i saw ~4 FG albs 3000 units from berk T1, and every mid in the zone came rushing there. and i dare to bet my right arm that even many of the "set groups" came charging to for some "easy RP's".



then they should stay the hell away from hadrians right?



so let the zerglings and adders have hadrians to themself then, ive been doing a /who on Agramon every now and then, and ive never seen more then 3 FG total there at any one time. and its usually the same names popping up every time while theres ALOT more in hadrians.


not gonna bother quoting the rest as i'l just repeat myself more then i have already

I were only in Agramon yesterday with another 8-10 groups. Those running in HW aint those that wants 8vs8. usually are 3-4 hib groups 3-4 mid groups and 1-2 alb groups that run for the fg vs fg fight and those ppl are in Agramon

 

[Bracken]

If you really truly believe that the fg rvr crowd is going to turn round and say ooh he's started adding on me more, i'll stop yelling abuse.. then go for it by all means.

It's more a case of if they want to yell abuse then we will give them a real reason to do it

Telling the fg v fg crowd to piss off to agramon if they want 8v8 action and stop trying to have their fg v fg fights at beno docks would provide an answer...

At least this way your giving them a chance to get the enjoyment they want without interfering with yours. If they choose to ignore it, well then you can play the "my fist is bigger than your fist game" knowing your dealing with an idiot.

I agree with much of what you have said. It's really about people recognising that this game was designed, marketed and sold as realm v realm. People have every right to play it like that. It is simply unacceptable for people to be abused/belittled for doing it. That's what people have to grasp. Fg action was something that people have chosen to make for themselves - it's not why the vast majority of people started playing this game in the first place.I have absolutely no problem with fg's wanting their fights in an area away from everyone else such as the central Agramon area (i.e. between the milegates). It's an easily defined zone that is clear cut. I would respect their wishes to have that specific area as a non-adding area. I've hardly ever gone there because of that. But the moment they move outside that zone they have to accept people's right to play it as realm v realm. They have to realise that people aren't going to take their tantrums any longer. If they stay within their zone and accept moving outside of it their fights are fair game then we can all get along fine. But whereas previously we've just put up with their tantrums when they are having fights anywhere else, from now on it ain't going to happen. If the fg community can sort it out for themselves and get their house in order then fine. I know they can do it as they seem to have got a nice little area going for their fights, and between themselves have got the non-add thing working pretty well within their community. If they can't then we will fuck up their playing experience, as they have done for many many people with their attitude. It's really just a simple case of taking a stand and showing people that we want a better atmosphere in the game.

 

[Bahumat]

nerf!!! 22 pages

 

[Marc]

What do you mean "did it to your face you can act accordingly"? Are you of the retarded breed that need to smack people in the face when they don't have your opinion?

are you fucking stupid or what? Bracken was on about if someone insulted him to his face, not if someones opinion differed to his.

 

[eggy]

There's certainly no part of the UK where you have THE RIGHT to smack someone in the face.

I'm sorry, but I reserve my right as a citizen of the British Isles to deliberately and forcefully smack anyone from Hull in the face at my leisure.

 

[Golena]

I'm sorry, but I reserve my right as a citizen of the British Isles to deliberately and forcefully smack anyone from Hull in the face at my leisure.

Actually I believe that if you see a scotsman in York you are required by law to shoot him with your bow and arrow (something like that anyway)... i'll have to try it one day!

 

[Rediknight]

It's inside the city walls, and it's a crossbow

 

[Ethild]

are you fucking stupid or what? Bracken was on about if someone insulted him to his face, not if someones opinion differed to his.

Yes, I'm obviously retarded.

I don't know about where you live, but here in the good old UK, it doesn't become legal to smack someone in the face just because they said something offensive.

You just called me "fucking stupid". I would be hard pushed to use that as an excuse to turn up outside your house with a baseball bat.

 

[scorge]

Actually I believe that if you see a scotsman in York you are required by law to shoot him with your bow and arrow (something like that anyway)... i'll have to try it one day!

It's inside the city walls, and it's a crossbow

its actually in Chester city, some people think it wss that you could shoot a welshman with a bow within 12 feet of the city walls, thats actually a load of bolloxs. What the "ancient " law stated was that any welshmen caught inside the city walls at night could be killed.

From Chester City Councils web site: The story about the Welsh being excluded from Chester after dark originated during the Glyndwr rebellion of 1403. Henry, Prince of Wales (future Henry V) was also Earl of Chester and on 4 Sept 1403 he ordered that all Welsh people and Welsh sympathisers should be expelled from the City; none should enter the city before sunrise or stay after sunset on pain of decapitation (not hanging, but it would have the same effect!). There are records of people standing surety for the good behaviour of Welshmen arrested under the order. The text books don't refer to anyone ever paying the maximum penalty for this 'crime'. Concern over 'the Welsh threat' continued into the 15th century and Chester was seen very much as a border town. There is no record that Henry V's order was ever repealed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-66144,00.html

 

[Rediknight]

What is this obsession with being retarded???? Can't someone just be mistaken? wrong? misunderstood? vague? stupid? idiotic? a numpty? a fool? a clown? a mug?

Think about what you're saying before you say it folk - would it be acceptable if i went round telling everyone they were an AIDS victim, thalidomide or they have cancer, so nuff... :|