Insults

[Eruptix]

Incidentally, for those who think it's perfectly fine to bitch and whine at people in the game then fine. Carry on doing it. We will simply bring our zergs away from the towers and keeps and move to your nice fg zone in Agramon (which most of us until now have usually avoided). Then we will find your fights and fuck them over again and again until you log. And there will be fuck all you can do about it. Nice atmosphere you're creating aint it?

when people start to act like you,they need to get a grip and grow up,and realize they are no longer playing this game for fun,but to deliberatly ruin the fun of others.

go bring your zergs,you'll only end up making more whine threads on Fh cause someone insulted you..

 

[Bracken]

when people start to act like you,they need to get a grip and grow up,and realize they are no longer playing this game for fun,but to deliberatly ruin the fun of others.

go bring your zergs,you'll only end up making more whine threads on Fh cause someone insulted you..

So it's ok to bitch at whine at people with no consequences, but when people take action to actually bring consequences for how you are carrying on then we need to grow up? Some fucking logic that mate. And trust me, the whines will be worth it. You want to gob off like ***** then you will be treated like *****.

 

[Tractartus]

Im pretty sure mythic listened to the whine from the rvr groups and created Agramon for the purpose of fg vs fg action - this part of the game is what makes DaoC unique, dont spoil it for others just because you can.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong Zede, let's get a quote Mythic shall we, rather than your imagination:

"MYTHIC RELEASES NEW ISLAND BATTLEFIELD FOR DARK AGE OF CAMELOT"

""Realm vs Realm battles are the heart of Dark Age of Camelot," explains Jeff Hickman, Executive Producer for Dark Age of Camelot."" [emphasis added]

""They are our unique take on Player vs. Player combat and the reason so many gamers continue to play the game. The Isle of Agramon is an exciting new battlefield that will further intensify the conflict between the three Realms. Now RvR action is only a short bridge crossing away for most players.""

Don't see much of a mention of FG v FG or 1 v 1 there.

Source: http://www.mythicentertainment.com/press/Agramon_Aug_16.html

 

[georgie]

I have on a number of occasions been reduced to tears by things said in game,

Gives Fav a big hug.

 

[Golena]

If you yell "don't add at me" and I should respect that because otherwise i'm ruining your gaming experience.. then can I yell "add" when you try not to add and give you the same high and almighty shit back when you don't cos your ruining mine?

Some people who play this game are more sensitive than others - personally I have on a number of occasions been reduced to tears by things said in game, similarly you can forge strong friendships from the words spoken on-line.

People should recognise that not everyone playing this game fits the male 18-25 demographic and show rather more consideration in the way they interact.

Favail, all your points bar 1 were good.. See I couldn't give a crap if there's not a 18-25 year old male at the other end of the pc screen. The idea that if it's a woman at the other side of the pc screen it's rediculous to yell abuse but it would be okish if it was a male is just laughable. If it's acceptable to yell abuse at a 23 year old male, I see no reason why it should be unacceptable to yell it at a 23 year old female.

I could argue that getting turned down for groups made me upset, then ask you to group me and be told that you were waiting for someone else.. The fact you wanted to group with someone else that wasn't online yet instead of me could be very upsetting for me.. I'm sure you wouldn't change your approach to grouping people that asked based entirely on the chance I could be like the above, and asking you to do so would be stupid.

If a girl joined a professional rugby team, got tackled once and stood up and said "omg that hurt... lets make this a none contact game".. would you expect the rugby association to leap to their feet and yell yes, touching another player is against the rules!! or would you say.. well maybe rugby isn't a game you should be playing?

I like the fact that women are starting more and more to play computer games and get involved. That doesn't mean that all computer games should instantly change to cater to them. In some cases it might be reasonable, but it shouldn't be a given. If women want to play computer games then maybe there's an element of them having to accept what the "computer game community" is like, instead of expecting the computer game community to change just because they decided they wanted in.
If I walked into a pub and yelled I don't like alcohol from now on I want to see no alcohol in here, i'd expect to get laughed at.. If computer gamers have been hurling insults at each other over the net for the last 5 years, I think it's also unreasonable for you to walk in and demand that they stop doing it just because you are here now and don't like it.

I'm not saying that the abuse is acceptable, not by any means.. what I am saying is that it's not unacceptable just because a few people walk into a community and complain about it.

explain why Siege rvr action is almost extinct and non existant on servers like glastonbury while 8v8 action is still going strong?

Oh right,because most decent ppl got bored of Siege rvr and zerging in OF,and got a dégou when NF came.

Many reasons other than yours..

Casual players prefer seige battles and are going to level slower than the gank groups so arn't 50 and out seiging yet.
You avoid keeps when doing 8v8 so have no idea if they are being seiged or not.
People who enjoy siege battles also like the PvE aspects of the game so stayed on the server where there was more PvE content available.
Seige battles require more people to do than 8v8 groups so it's going to take longer for the people who prefer this type of action to find others on a new realm and set up events than it is for 8v8 groups to get established.

No wait.. you thought of one solution that fitted your argument and went with it.. erm gratz?



Playing devils advocate for a second how many people who have expressed the fact that adding is ok cos it's in the rules of the game and there's nothing to stop you doing it, have also come on here to whine about gank 8v8 group X running in and pulling their artifact mob just as their group was forming and getting ready to do it? Or about player Y camping an artifact mob for 5 months straight so they can't get it without paying silly money off a CM for it.
In both these cases you seem to think the person who was "playing the game their way" and was within the bounds of the game rules was out of line by being anti-social and not respecting your views. You probably also gave them some grief for it.. yet when the shoes on the other foot your completely in the right.. something to think about maybe?

 

[Javai]

Favail, all your points bar 1 were good.. See I couldn't give a crap if there's not a 18-25 year old male at the other end of the pc screen. The idea that if it's a woman at the other side of the pc screen it's rediculous to yell abuse but it would be okish if it was a male is just laughable. If it's acceptable to yell abuse at a 23 year old male, I see no reason why it should be unacceptable to yell it at a 23 year old female.

I agree with you entirely, we should show all members of the community respect, however I was responding to the 'grow some balls' type responses people were throwing about earlier in the thread.

It is a fact, though, that irl we interact with different types of people differently. When we transfer interactions to on-line there is a tendency to assume everyone is in fact an 18-30 year old male and to behave accordingly my point was to make people think about their on-line interactions more carefully rather than to ask for special treatment for female players.

 

[Eruptix]

So it's ok to bitch at whine at people with no consequences, but when people take action to actually bring consequences for how you are carrying on then we need to grow up? Some fucking logic that mate. And trust me, the whines will be worth it. You want to gob off like ***** then you will be treated like *****.

the "consequence" of your action is already someone gobbing off on you because you called for it with your actions,going further in that is just going to cause even more ppl gobbing off at you..
or getting your face smashed irl if you do it over there..

you really dont get the point that YOU provoked insults and hatred with your actions,its not like someone randomly insulted you with no reason..

 

[Aadia]

What i don't get is, i see quite some people here posting about the 8v8 fair groups and all the 'non-adding' etc things... yet this week when there was irvr in albion for mids (i guess alot of people had nothing to do at 4 am when the keep got taken according to /social) thus alot of action in HW, all the so called fg groups were spotted attacking albs in the back when trying to retake the towers/keep?

How is that fair and 'not added' then? Or is that just alright then because there just wasn't anything in agramon to kill so you go for the easy option?

 

[Flimgoblin]

you really dont get the point that YOU provoked insults and hatred with your actions,its not like someone randomly insulted you with no reason..

see the thing is the provocation here is "playing the game" - if we're sticking with our pub analogy that'd be like saying "They walked into our pub! that was provocation!"

 

[Eruptix]

see the thing is the provocation here is "playing the game" - if we're sticking with our pub analogy that'd be like saying "They walked into our pub! that was provocation!"

no,the thing your doing is not respecting ppl when they ask you to leave the fight alone,and when you know damn well that the people are trying to have a clean fight.saying you have to enter the fight and show no respec/honor for the fight because its a RvR game (since when does RvR not include 8v8?its a subcategory and form of PvP afaik) is utter BS

 

[evzy]

8v8 = Counterstrike
Zerg v Zerg = DAOC

If you don't like the zerg - don't let the door hit your arse as you leave...

Seriously all it boils down to is this is a game about war, and in war...people don't run around yelling don't add - I have checked Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket and several other films which claim to have some form of realism about war scenario's - didnt see a single actor shouting "Don't add" once....oh and I read a few anthony Beevor books about Stalingrad and Berlin just to double check - not a single mention of anyone running around shouting "Don't add"


p.s Brack - when we adding then dude?

 

[washington]

fuck me!!! how insults have gone down hill....we need more hardcore insults..

 

[Golena]

see the thing is the provocation here is "playing the game" - if we're sticking with our pub analogy that'd be like saying "They walked into our pub! that was provocation!"

In fairness it's probably more like walking into a Rangers pub wearing a Celtic shirt.

 

[Tallen]

no,the thing your doing is not respecting ppl when they ask you to leave the fight alone,and when you know damn well that the people are trying to have a clean fight.saying you have to enter the fight and show no respec/honor for the fight because its a RvR game (since when does RvR not include 8v8?its a subcategory and form of PvP afaik) is utter BS

Utter crap.

DAoC is RvR, not PvP, end of story.

You can ask players not to add and they can choose not to add, but if they do add you cannot yell at them or bare them any malice because they are playing the game the way it is designed.

Solo players have as much rights as those in a group, respect is a two-way door. You CANNOT dictate how other players can and cannot play the game. Players who do so are arrogant twats.

 

[Bracken]

the "consequence" of your action is already someone gobbing off on you because you called for it with your actions,going further in that is just going to cause even more ppl gobbing off at you..
or getting your face smashed irl if you do it over there..

you really dont get the point that YOU provoked insults and hatred with your actions,its not like someone randomly insulted you with no reason..

Bollox from start to finish. My "actions" were to play this GAME as it says on the box...realm versus realm. I have every right to do that. I don't do it to piss people off, I do it simply because that is how the game was designed. Heck, it's not like I've purposely gone out and looked for fights to add on - it's just sometimes happened. In general I avoid the places where the fg's are having their fights. I don't expect or deserve to get abuse for playing the game - though trust me, I am personally well able to handle the abuse when it comes, even though I get frustrated I can't just twat the fucker like I would if he did it to my face. It's when I see friends of mine reduced to tears that I get really pissed off with it. So it's as a result of yours and people like yours attitudes that things have deteriorated. But like I say, I'm past reasoning with you. We will soon start actively seeking to fuck you off. Over and over again until you grasp how things are and change your attitude. If you want to mouth off then fine, but from now on the consequences are that your play time will get screwed whenever we can. And like I said, there is fuck all you can do about it.

 

[Eruptix]

Utter crap.

DAoC is RvR, not PvP, end of story.

You can ask players not to add and they can choose not to add, but if they do add you cannot yell at them or bare them any malice because they are playing the game the way it is designed.

Solo players have as much rights as those in a group, respect is a two-way door. You CANNOT dictate how other players can and cannot play the game. Players who do so are arrogant twats.

RvR = PvP
RvR has been a subcategory of PvP since Factions where introduced in UO where it was called FvF PvP = Faction vs Faction PvP
just like daoc is Realm vs Realm PvP,but still PvP nontheless (PLAYER VS PLAYER)
anyone who believes otherwise has read too much discussions about Open pvp servers vs blue servers (normal servers)

8v8 is a form of PvP
8v8 is a form of RvR
RvR is a form of PvP
FvF is a form of PvP

8v8 = Counterstrike
Zerg v Zerg = DAOC

wrong
DAoC is Zerg vs Zerg for YOU,for me its 8v8
and last I checked I wanted to play DAoC because I enjoy the 8v8 component of it,and last I checked daoc wasnt Counterstrike,quake nor guildwars

 

[chretien]

RvR = PvP
RvR has been a subcategory of PvP since Factions where introduced in UO where it was called FvF PvP = Faction vs Faction PvP
just like daoc is Realm vs Realm PvP,but still PvP nontheless (PLAYER VS PLAYER)
anyone who believes otherwise has read too much discussions about Open pvp servers vs blue servers (normal servers)

8v8 is a form of PvP
8v8 is a form of RvR
RvR is a form of PvP
FvF is a form of PvP

wrong
DAoC is Zerg vs Zerg for YOU,for me its 8v8
and last I checked I wanted to play DAoC because I enjoy the 8v8 component of it,and last I checked daoc wasnt Counterstrike,quake nor guildwars

Well done! You finally seem to have grasped the concept that all play styles are equally valid. I take it you won't be sending anymore abuse at people who choose to play a different way to you now?

 

[Eruptix]

Well done! You finally seem to have grasped the concept that all play styles are equally valid. I take it you won't be sending anymore abuse at people who choose to play a different way to you now?

if I ask em not to add or ruin my fight,and they still do..they deserve every abuse they can get.I dont expect any less when I add on their 1v1's

 

[evzy]

8v8 is a form of PvP
8v8 is a form of RvR
RvR is a form of PvP
FvF is a form of PvP

wrong
DAoC is Zerg vs Zerg for YOU,for me its 8v8
and last I checked I wanted to play DAoC because I enjoy the 8v8 component of it,and last I checked daoc wasnt Counterstrike,quake nor guildwars

Last time I checked you couldnt opt for a 8v8 server in DAOC....like I said - if you want pure 8v8 - go play a game that offers that, if you don't wish to play another game, and instead wish to play DAOC - then take a deep breath, check you know your arse from your elbow, and then take a moment to realise that it isn't a 8v8 game... just because you can bump into another fg doesnt make it 8v8 - its REALM V REALM - and I can assure you (cos I like know stats n stuff) that there are more than 8 people in each realm.....

 

[Golena]

We will soon start actively seeking to fuck you off. Over and over again until you grasp how things are and change your attitude. If you want to mouth off then fine, but from now on the consequences are that your play time will get screwed whenever we can. And like I said, there is fuck all you can do about it.

Your attitude here seems to be no better than theirs..

If you feel the game environment isn't to your liking don't log on, simply logging on to ruin it for others isn't going to help.
If I can't have it neither can you responses should really of been passed by the time you leave kindergarden.

 

[Raven]

actually like any MMO its what you make of it, some people like to get a challenge out of it some like to just zerg around. its mostly the zergers who demand everyone agrees with them that its just zerg v zerg. Some people find that style of play boring and would rather not play than do it. the population is dropping every week, dont you think its about time everyone respected other peoples wish to play the way they like? zergers zerg around email/HW/Odins whatever and FGs stay in AG. Its not a war its a game just because someone is in another realm it doesnt mean you have to actually kill them wherever they are found, let people play it the way they like.

 

[Golena]

if I ask em not to add or ruin my fight,and they still do..they deserve every abuse they can get.I dont expect any less when I add on their 1v1's

I asked you to not shout insults at me in game, and you still do.. you deserve to be beaten up by a gang of people next time you leave your house.. (used to make a point obviously.. not to say he should have any RL harm brought to him).

If your going to argue without any sensible logic then it's going to go downhill very fast from here.

What appears to be the case is there's 2 sides showing each other a complete lack of respect. From that point of view your probably both wrong and so have no real rights to complain..
If you add cos you view it as part of the game your in the right.
If you add cos just to ruin it for someone else, stop whining when they shout at you. You didn't show them respect, don't expect any in return.

 

[chretien]

if I ask em not to add or ruin my fight,and they still do..they deserve every abuse they can get.I dont expect any less when I add on their 1v1's

No they don't. They are playing the game, if you always want a fair fight there are many games that offer that experience. DAoC puts everyone together in the same area and lets them go at it. You may prefer to have 8v8 fights but you have to accept that you won't always have them and that you have zero right to insist that everyone follows your rules. You have even less right to abuse them for not signing up to your particular vision of the game.

 

[Eruptix]

I asked you to not shout insults at me in game, and you still do.. you deserve to be beaten up by a gang of people next time you leave your house.. (used to make a point obviously.. not to say he should have any RL harm brought to him).

why would i shout insults at you if you show respect for our fights and dont add?no reason at all to do then..but if someone asks you repeatadly to not add,and you still decide to do so,then you can expect a harsh word...

and the excuse "they are playing the game" cause they add on your fights in a zone which is commonly used for 8v8 is bollocks...
It never said in the rules that all respect and honor for enemies/allies has to be lost because "if its red its dead"
if someone asks you to respec his honorable fights,and you chose to not do it,then your open to take harsh words.
and yes,the example of it being like a football match is the same.2 balanced teams,what would you do if the supporters ran in and helped kick the ball?

 

[evzy]

why would i shout insults at you if you show respect for our fights and dont
and yes,the example of it being like a football match is the same.2 balanced teams,what would you do if the supporters ran in and helped kick the ball?

Personally some of the shit teams out there would probably be a lot better if the supporters got stuck in as well!!

mah humps, mah humps, mah lovely lady humps.........if you are gonna talk nonsense, I may as well join in...

 

[Golena]

and yes,the example of it being like a football match is the same.2 balanced teams,what would you do if the supporters ran in and helped kick the ball?

Here's where your awesome analagy falls sadly on it's arse.

The "supporters" payed for the ability to watch a football match.

I payed for the ability to play the game.

If I payed for the ability to play in a game of football and when I turned up the teams there said.. oh sorry there's already 16 people here, hand over your cash then go sit on the sidelines and watch.. i'd ask for my money back.

 

[chretien]

...

and the excuse "they are playing the game" cause they add on your fights in a zone which is commonly used for 8v8 is bollocks...
It never said in the rules that all respect and honor for enemies/allies has to be lost because "if its red its dead"
if someone asks you to respec his honorable fights,and you chose to not do it,then your open to take harsh words.
and yes,the example of it being like a football match is the same.2 balanced teams,what would you do if the supporters ran in and helped kick the ball?

I answered this already.

The arguments about adding being equivalent to the crowd helping out a sports team are bollocks. It's not like two football teams playing and the game being ruined by people helping out, it's more like some football teams deciding that they like 5-a-side football as it's more of a challenge and there's more 'honour' in it then getting upset when some of the other teams in the regular league still field 11 players....

You're imposing your own rules on the game, if you want to play that way, it's fine but you cannot complain if other people choose not to. It's not about honour or respect, it's about playing a game. You can choose to play at a disadvantage if you like but don't tell me I'm not allowed to have fun.
For the record I don't deliberately go around adding and I don't usually interfere in solo fights unless both are red or the person from my realm is outclassed. However I like big fights, loads of times there's been 2-3 groups fighting and over time more and more people get sucked in. That's fun to me, if you don't like that sort of fight then that's cool, you don't have to get invovled but the minute you tell me I'm not allowed to take part in the game because I don't subscribe to your bullshit ideas about what's fair (because an opted group v 8 randoms is fair and honourable meights!) then I think you've lost sight of what the game really is for the vast majority of players.

 

[Flimgoblin]

if I ask em not to add or ruin my fight,and they still do..they deserve every abuse they can get.I dont expect any less when I add on their 1v1's

you've never asked me not to ruin your fight - the guy who started this thread was never asked not to add - he was just sworn at for being there

 

[Bracken]

Your attitude here seems to be no better than theirs..

If you feel the game environment isn't to your liking don't log on, simply logging on to ruin it for others isn't going to help.
If I can't have it neither can you responses should really of been passed by the time you leave kindergarden.

Sorry but that's rubbish. This is a case of how to respond to someone who gives you a mouthful of abuse that is totally undeserved. If they did it to my face I could act accordingly. Because they are safely tucked away behind their pc screen and they don't just do it, but actually try and justify it then I have to find a way to act that hopefully shows them how out of order they are. The only response in game that does that is to actively seek to ruin their experience as they are ruining mine and many many others by their attitude. I've never purposely set out to do that, but it's reached the stage now where it's time for a response. I don't go for this airy fairy it's only words crap. There comes a point when someone is being such a **** that you have to respond in whichever way you can.

Incidentally, the best analogy would be to log on to a counterstrike server, tell everyone that you want to solo enemy opponents and then give them a loud of abuse when they carried on fighting it as team v team and "added" on your fights. Soloing would be possible in CS, but it's not how the game was developed. Likewise, there is room for fg rvr in daoc, but it is essentially about realm versus realm. That is how it was designed, developed, marketed, sold. People don't deserve abusefor playing it that way.

 

[Ethild]

What do you mean "did it to your face you can act accordingly"? Are you of the retarded breed that need to smack people in the face when they don't have your opinion?

Needing to log in to try to ruin someone else's game, just because you can't deal with the words they post on a forum is laughable.